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>>3763444

It was fundamentally impossible to say evolution(or anything) happens without the influence of God. Then we did science.
Now we know better.

>>3763510
Did you even read the article? They “recreated conditions”, they didn’t create life.
You don’t seem to understand how impossible it is so Let me paint you a picture… using a cement mixer. Throw the canvas, paint, and brushes into a cement mixer, turn it on and in 2 million years we will pull out an Ivan Aivazovsky masterpiece, which according to you is perfectly possible because I’ve “recreated the conditions” by throwing all the pieces in a mixer

Your lack of critical thinking is concerning

>>3763521
> Throw the canvas, paint, and brushes into a cement mixer, turn it on and in 2 million years we will pull out an Ivan Aivazovsky masterpiece
Nope. That's nothing more than the "irreducible complexity" fallacy. The first self-reproducing lifeforms were far, far simpler than any recognisable organisms you can think of.

>>3763544
You claimed they crossed the line and created life but all they did was “recreate conditions” as if that some how disproved God

>>3763566

True. God can't be "disproved" by science, knowledge or thought in general because any possible set of events or observations can be attributed to a world with a God in it. God can never be demonstrated incorrect because it is defined in such a way that our observations of reality are meaningless to the concept. This is a kind of weasel definition from the theist that protects God from real scrutiny, but also makes talking about God in any real way virtually impossible rendering the concept meaningless.

>>3763544
It’s not a fallacy
If replicators require DNA to replicate things and DNA requires replicators then which came first. Because they both fundamentally require each other.

>>3763583
Now you've just got your biology wrong.

RNA is known to be capable of carrying out storage and replication functions as well as act like proteins to catalyze it's own synthesis. We've known this for over a decade.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2652413/

>>3763584
Oh gee good point it would be a shame if it just made my point stronger by complicating my simple example

>>3763586 It's not my fault if you can't understand how simplistic a chemical a chain of RNA is.

>>3763586 You could have been excused for your ignorance about how RNA can catalyze it's own synthesis but I already explained that and posted a reference you obviously didn't bother to read.

>>3763584
Oh hon hon, someone has read Zee Revolutionary Phenotype le!

>>3763589
Scientific argument with a creationist is as useless as with a flat earther. But one can have interesting discussion from hollow Earth view with a flat earther. (And vice versa.)

I'd suggest using the Gnostic view that it was not the God but Satan who created Earth and life.

>>3763617
That doesn’t work philosophically
To say evil created life is to say our existence is fundamentally evil and against the will of God.
It also doesn’t work because why would God create the universe without intending to create life as well? Did God just create a universe sized hourglass to watch the sands shift without greater meaning or purpose?

>>3763618
It's pretty evident that material life is not a perfect creation. For example pain, suffering and dissatisfaction appears necessary to protect humans from dying from injuries, neglect and unfavorable circumstances before they can reproduce. Why would a good god create that instead of purely spiritual life? Obviously the creation iof material world is a work of an evil Demiurge. Gnostics believed Jesus Christ only appeared to be a mortal man but was in truth a fully spiritual being. And that some humans have a spiritual spark which can let them escape the material world from enlightenment with help of a divine redeemer, &cet.
This is of course all heretical to Christians who are blinded by Satan and tried to erase all Gnistics and knowledge about Gnostic truth early on but maybe you can make them see their error.
(This is just a suggestion how to start constructing a rant. I'm not at all religious and do not actually care.)

>>3763619
He didn’t create that, God created paradise known as the garden of Eden. The perfect garden was corrupted when sin was introduced by Satan causing man to rebel/be rejected.

>>3763621
For short summary of Gnosticism, see
https://www.learnreligions.com/what-is-gnosticism-700683

To faithless me it does not seem any more or less sillier or contradictory than Christianity, just an alternate view.

And likely more productive to discuss than chemistry of RNA with someone who does not take assumption the scientific method produces knowledge about objective world.

>>3763618

Why not? The universe seems plenty hostile towards life. All the view would preclude is a fundamentally good, and at the same time all powerful God, or one that crated the universe for the specific purpose of having life in it. Neither of these things need to be true.

>>3763660 Dear A I bot, You are to easy to detect .

>>3763617
It's always good to tell people when they are making a bad argument that flies in the face of the evidence we have. The idea that abiogenesis is impossible because cellular life as we know them would need to pop out of a pool of gloop is a common mischaracterization of the way people actually studying the subject actually think.

>>3763663
You usually detect bots because they are questioning the fundamental assumptions of religious people? They must be making really good bots nowadays.

>>3763633
Would you prefer to read kummaa molotusta, jota useimmat tällä foorumilla eivät ymmärrä instead of broken approximation of English?

>>3763664
Like religion, pseudoscience is not based on the philosophy of scientific method. Preaching scientific knowledge to someone who KNOWS the truth because Goddess revealed it to them in tea leaves (or whatever) may feel good but will not convince them.

>>3763666 no , it's because of this everywhere

>>3763681
Do you suppose there are things outside the reach of science or can everything be dissected, broken down and catalogued?

>>3763732
There are known knowns
Unknown knowables
And unknowables

>>3763682

Calling me a bot isn't much of an argument. I just wanted to call attention to some of the assumptions people commonly make about God. Something we would call a God could exist but be malevolent. Something we would call a God could exist but not be interested in life. Theists don't generally think about God along any other lines than those they have been taught.

>>3763681
Convincing people who are dead set in their ways isn't really the goal. When I see an incorrect line of thinking that is easy to demonstrate to be incorrect it's little effort to point others in the right direction if they are just observers who may think along the same lines.

>>3763732
Of course not everything is knowable. Most of our expanding universe is unknowable simply because distance between here and there increases faster than speed of light and for that reason is not causally connected to us.
Dynamic systems like weather on Earth and planetary orbits in of our solar system will always be unpredictable in long therm.
There are plenty of provably undecidable problems in mathematics.

>>3763749
Funny how christkikes only try to point at others instead of "we need to remove pedophiles from church". Interesting.

>>3763854
1. John W. Radcliff II: A youth pastor from West Virginia, Radcliff was arrested on 190 counts of sexual assault, abuse, and incest spanning over three decades. The allegations involve multiple victims, including relatives, with incidents occurring in Braxton, Lewis, and Harrison counties.


2. Ronnie Goines: Lead pastor of Koinonia Christian Church in Arlington, Texas, Goines was arrested in 2024 for allegedly sexually assaulting a female congregation member. Despite the charges, he returned to the pulpit and maintains his innocence.


3. Apollo Quiboloy: Founder of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ Church in the Philippines, Quiboloy has faced multiple allegations of sexual abuse and trafficking. In 2024, former church members testified against him, accusing him of grooming children for sex and other misconduct.


4. Edward-Richard Hinds: A Brooklyn pastor and leader of the 67th Precinct Clergy Council, Hinds was indicted in November 2024 on charges of sexually abusing a 16-year-old boy in December 2022. He faces multiple charges, including third-degree criminal sexual act and endangering the welfare of a child.


5. Todd Hubers van Assenraad: An East Geelong man linked to a controversial church, Hubers van Assenraad pleaded guilty in 2024 to multiple charges of persistent sexual abuse of children. The offenses involved nine boys under the age of 12 between 2016 and 2023.

>>3763855
6. Mark Hatcher: Pastor of Holy Ghost Headquarters Revival Center in Philadelphia, Hatcher was convicted in 2024 of sexual assault of three minors, including a former congregant, in incidents dating back two decades.


7. Bruce Douglas Konold: A former, longtime Christian and Missionary Alliance pastor in Minnesota, Konold was convicted in September 2024 of criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree (clergy) involving sexual misconduct.


8. Pierre Louis: A Florida pastor, previously convicted in a sex abuse case, was under investigation in 2023 after a 23-year-old church member accused him of sexual assault during a prayer session.


9. Daniel Kellan Mayfield: A former youth pastor at Gowensville Baptist Church in South Carolina, Mayfield was arrested in 2023 and faces nearly 150 charges related to voyeurism. He allegedly filmed individuals without their consent, with the number of charges increasing as more victims were identified.


10. Zachary King: A former pastor from Lexington, Kentucky, King was arrested in 2024 on charges of rape, sodomy, and sexual abuse involving a 15-year-old victim. The alleged crimes occurred between January 2023 and April 2024 at his home, the minor's home, and his former church.

>>3763855
Everyone knows pedophiles exist dood. You're not breaking new ground.

How can anyone still be catholic

>>3766858
A lot of times religious people get very weird with their beliefs and seek to drag down as many people as possible!
It’s hardly specific to religion.

>>3763854
Christians aren't legally allowed to remove pedophiles from their churches anymore.

>>3766941
pretty sure they uh…can if they want. but just dont.

> When did you find Christ?

It's not a thing to be found, but a belief to be synthesized. You do so by investing passion, desperation and hope, whipping oneself up into frenzy until you have a transcendental experience.

You could have the same experience applying the same formula to Horus or Allah. There are far better illusions to cultivate.

>When did you leave?

Can't leave a party that never started. I'm back to being a magus. If I need self-deceit, it shall be fun, useful and NOT part of a larger plan to keep the chattel neutured and docile.

>>3767023
(Before doggie bed, and I'll twirld around 4 times instead of 3 before settling tonight, I might as well post this:)
I wasn't ignoring you (the way you've been ignoring me), but have been swamped with work so couldn't respond the way I should have. Too bad you've chosen satan and the temporary worldly benefits (crumbs) this lets you have. No matter how non-Christian you are, you cannot deny that a Christian only has a single master, whereas these satanic earthly groups will have layer upon layer upon layer of human masters above you!
What kind of "man" or male would actually want such a thing… in a way, it's actually sexual and homoerotic, with you being on the lower-class end of the sexual-train until you get to buttfuck the one who's been buttfucking you for years, but there'll always be someone buttfucking you.

Nevertheless, I'd still like to send you some Scripture in the near future, as promised earlier. Your feelings and behaviour are clearly explained in the Bible, it's nothing new. Also explained are the reasons for you feeling this way, and that it may actually be pointless for me to try and help you out. I feel for you, and want the best for you, but it may just end up being cruel on you.

I still hope you're not one of the majority of people destined for hell, but also don't want to harass you here on Earth - right now you've only got a short time remaining here before everything gets taken away from you for all eternity anyway, so you might as well make the most of it… if you want to keep going on like this.

>It's not a thing to be found, but a belief to be synthesized. You do so by investing passion, desperation and hope, whipping oneself up into frenzy until you have a transcendental experience.
(The non-Christian explaining to the world how Christians feel and act.) At least be a little more "scientific" and admit that this is merely your own personal biased observation rather than fact.

>You could have the same experience applying the same formula to Horus or Allah. There are far better illusions to cultivate.
You're partly correct. I can understand why you wanted me to go into detail regarding my own experiences, but that would be "cheapening" Christianity as a whole to try and reduce it to mere explanation, to be judged and compared and pigeonholed by an unsaved and worldly/carnal person.

As I said before, Jesus Christ Himself healed the sick, resurrected the dead, fed thousands with a small basket of food, cast out demons and performed many other miracles, yet most people wouldn't/couldn't believe Him, or believe in Him.
As for myself? I'm a mere simple, silly dog, and even though I've had experiences that I could share with you, sharing them with someone who appears to have a "hardened" heart would be meaningless (according to the Bible). If Jesus Christ in person couldn't convince most people (he even shouted out and begged them to be saved at some point), then why could I? Compared to Him, I'm an insect or possibly a mere germ.
As for your partially correct cynical statement - There are people who will need to "whip themselves up into a frenzy", but the experience they'll receive will only be a satanic one. Crazies/confused-ies rolling in church isles aren't rolling because of Jesus, that's a guarantee. As for the rest of the mentioned people, their experience could go either way, depending on who they pray to. If they know nothing about the true Jesus Christ, it'll be pretty difficult for them to pray to Him.

In my case, it was as simple as making a decision to drink some water or make myself a nice breakfast. No rolling in the isles, no dancing, no frenzied yowling, no throwing myself to the ground in shame, I simply made the decision to belong only to Jesus Christ. At that very moment, it was the Angels in Heaven who had watched and celebrated, as yet another child of God's had found his way back home again. The Angels actually celebrate, when someone makes the decision to join them and our Heavenly Father in Heaven. :3
It doesn't matter whether this someone is a penniless Indian street prostitute, or the leader of a country - a "king", the celebration will be the same. Isn't that wonderful? The SJWs, commies and antifa roaches are missing out on the only true equality and unity and meritocracy there is - that in Jesus Christ! But then again, they don't actually want "true" equality and unity and meritocracy, of course… so they're going to another place, that'll better suit their dead hearts.
I have never known a true Christian to have a religious experience, or become a Christian, in the way that you've described! I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's probably very rare, because the Bible actually warns against the behaviour you've described!

>Can't leave a party that never started. I'm back to being a magus. If I need self-deceit, it shall be fun, useful and NOT part of a larger plan to keep the chattel neutered and docile.
There's Scripture that explains how you have no idea just how weak and naked and destitute you are. Our definitions of the words "self-deceit", "fun", "useful" are completely inverted/opposed to each other, which makes sense, because satan inverts God's truths. "Chattel"? Nice choice of word there. "Neutered" and "docile"? Do you really believe that? If Christians are so docile and neutered, how come they attract the most cruel, violent, evil, harmful, deceitful, wicked, hateful, murderous, scheming, etc. of behaviour and actions, coming from the poorest to the carnally-richest/influential of people, since even before they were called Christians?
I definitely don't think you're a dummy, but you're completely blinded by your selfishness/self-indulgence. You can't possibly understand (at this point in your life) just how incredibly wealthy I and every true Christian is. No frenzy required! I actually feel sorry for you, but haven't given up on you just yet, even though I probably should. If you still wanna chat, I'll be there for you as much as I can.
I don't bite… although I might lick… your face. But only as a reward if you become a Christian brother of mine. :3

>>3767023
I'll post here once I've had my doggie sleep the Scripture that proves just how easy it is to become a Christian and not end up in hell.

All you need to do is to believe in Jesus Christ, and only in Him for your salvation.
You only need to "bear your cross and follow Him" if you want to be a disciple of His, but if you want to be a self-centered dick but still go to Heaven, then that's going to work as well.
I don't want you going to hell. It's not a good place.

(Pic unrelated.)

>>3767023
Is that some kind of Masonic apron?

>>3767023
I'm tired, dude. Plus I don't want to "torture" you with things that you'll likely never be able to grasp either. We live in a world, with so much history of evildoing by evil people, and there are ( going to be) a whole lot of victims because of it, who are too injured to ever recover enough and be able to hear Christ's voice.

Included are a few random redpill images I've collected over time, but they don't begin to scratch the surface. You clearly can't grasp the scale of evil you're messing around with.
Here are some posts of me trying to help save Steam's soul, that'll have a bit more info on getting saved:
https://lulz.net/furi/res/3762989.html#q3763245
https://lulz.net/furi/res/3745741.html#q3754858
I won't wish you Godspeed, because you reject Him, but I honestly don't want you to be destroyed and further, despite your past sins and all. I hope you manage to get it together enough to make some right and good choices in life.
Look for the Roman's Road if you're feeling down.

>>3767816
They're always so confident they'll be the one to finally master the left hand path.

>>3767023
>I'm back to being a magus.
Like the three wise men? What does that mean, in your words?

> When did you find Christ?

In 2018 after a year of reading the Bible (incl. OT). And I started reading it because of Youtube, when I found a really awesome music and thought "there must be a god".

> When did you leave?
Never.


My take on christianity:

It's all about pride and glory. God has an economy of Glory.
Original sin is pride : Adam and Eve wanted to be like God.
Cain killed his brother just because his sacrifice was rejected by God and he got angry, again pride.

Joseph's dreams were he had the upper hand on his brother excited their jealousy, again pride, and they sold him as a slave. They had to kneel in front of him later without recognising him as an authority in Egypt.

Job asks why bad things happen to him when he led an exemplary life. Etc.

Even nowadays people think they can earn their place in heaven through work. This is pride too. Thinking the blood of Jesus isn't enough and that you can earn your spot in heaven.

But God do everything for his glory ; and it's not petty because it's not misplaced pride. As a perfect being he earns this.
When God explained to Moses that the jews had built a golden calf to serve as their god and that he'd kill them all ; Moses - who knew God well for talking to him face to face - didn't appeal to his pity by saying "think of those poor people ! Don't kill them, they do good things too sometime.".
No, he knew what to say : "Don't kill them for your sake ! If you kill them the egyptians will mock you, explaining you brought them into the desert to kill them because you're evil. Or that you weren't powerful enough to give them the promised land and decided to kill them instead." And it worked.

God's all about his glory. And in my opinion it's a slap on Jesus's face to say we deserve heaven ; or that "the good pastor/priest XYZ sure earned his place in heaven". The good news is that saving us and wanting us as his sons and daughters aligns with this goal ; there's very little glory in destroying dumb people in a fire. And whatever glory we earn in our life we'll lay at his feet in heaven.

Don't let the book of Revelations play before your eyes without reacting ; get saved today.