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Anonymous 12/03/24 (Tue) 16:44:33 f0d95799 No.3760423

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>>3759172
> religon
YOU MISSPELLED THE WORD, YOU GODLESS BARBARIAN.

You should be crucified.

tms!8HZioZhw1c 12/11/24 (Wed) 04:34:24 976df60f No.3761168

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>>3760412
So there is spiritual life in you. Not everyone has the kinds of visions you described. It's a blessing. Nothing to be ashamed of. Not demonic.

I'm reminded of a line from Captain Ahab in Moby Dick. If you'd seek revenge against the Sun for a sunburn, then you might have issues. But feeling gratitude toward the Sun is natural.

Anonymous 12/29/24 (Sun) 11:51:28 9a266e92 No.3763236

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>>3759746
Anyone with faith is saved
“This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Anonymous 12/29/24 (Sun) 20:20:57 c8134725 No.3763268

>>3760413
>God wouldn't have hardwired it into us from our hunter and gatherer years.

Lol, bro believes in evolution. What a tard!

Anonymous 12/30/24 (Mon) 18:09:45 58673309 No.3763373

>>3763268
Why do people believe evolution is incompatible with religion. Darwin himself stated evolution does not explain the origin of life only its diversity. It explains how dogs came from wolves but nothing about where wolves come from.

Anonymous 12/30/24 (Mon) 20:53:45 3696d0f1 No.3763375

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>>3763373
dogs do not exist, there is no evidence that there are only wolves.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 01:49:34 c844c492 No.3763408

>>3763373
Not religion as a whole, but Christianity. Animals didn't evolve, they were created.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 03:34:18 7853fef0 No.3763417

>>3763236
>Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Romans was based on a collection of letter written by Paul to the Romans (Hence the name) explaining the doctrine of Christian faith. It was penned almost 60 years A.D.

Much of what Paul wrote contradicts what is written elsewhere in the bible and directly conflicts with records of what Jesus was purported to have said on many subjects.

The entire book of Romans was an attempt to lay down a single set of rules and clarifications that would put an end to violent unrest inside which caused Emperor Claudius to expel Jews from Rome.

Basically Christians and the Jews were always arguing and fighting each other so Paul tried to write a unifying theory of faith to put an end to the bloodshed and terrorism.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 03:38:14 7853fef0 No.3763418

>>3763373
Darwin said that shit because he was going to be executed by the church if he didn't tow the line about the creation myth.

During the "Enlightenment" period it was commonly believed that evolution was the method by which God created everything then scientists figured out how cells can naturally evolve without the need for a divine hand. Once there was proof that God wasn't needed Christians went on the offensive and got all pissy about it.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 08:39:18 63d51779 No.3763430

>>3763418
When scientists can mix together some chemicals in a test tube, mimic the conditions of the early earth, and create something alive, get back to us. Decades of attempts at such experiments have always failed.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 11:20:18 866ad32e No.3763437

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>>3763430
Honestly, even if scientists successfully cooked living things from 'early earth conditions' in significantly shorter time than few hundred million years, I'd expect that would not affect beliefs of majority of religious people at all.
Only the crazy minority are incompatible with science and many of those just go all flat earth on ANY scientific knowledge they disagree with.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 13:12:00 0dca74d7 No.3763444

>>3763418
>once there was proof God wasn’t needed…
What proof? There is none
You can’t say evolution is Gods tool, also God not required.
It is fundamentally impossible to say evolution(or anything) happens without the influence of God.

Anonymous 12/31/24 (Tue) 14:42:07 866ad32e No.3763456

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>>3763444
Subjects of proof need to be defined in a way that is falsifiable. I do not know any religion which defines their beliefs in that way.
Assuming there exists an objective word of which can be acquired knowledge also is not falsifiable. (But it's in my opinion more useful than assuming there is no objective world or it is completely unknowable.)

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 00:40:49 4554269c No.3763501

>>3763444
Our science is actually getting pretty good on the subject of genetics. We know how fast animals mutate generation to generation. We know how big the genome is. We know how old the earth is.

The math doesn't work out. The earth isn't old enough for humans to have evolved on it. Definitely not via natural selection. Something else happened that we haven't figured out yet.

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 02:36:18 7853fef0 No.3763510

>>3763430
>When scientists can mix together some chemicals in a test tube, mimic the conditions of the early earth, and create something alive, get back to us.

That happened in 2019.

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/nasa-scientists-recreate-conditions-that-led-to-the-origin-of-life-on-earth-6160741.html

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1812098116

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 02:38:22 7853fef0 No.3763511

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>>3763444

It was fundamentally impossible to say evolution(or anything) happens without the influence of God. Then we did science.
Now we know better.

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 05:52:26 43e2962e No.3763521

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>>3763510
Did you even read the article? They “recreated conditions”, they didn’t create life.
You don’t seem to understand how impossible it is so Let me paint you a picture… using a cement mixer. Throw the canvas, paint, and brushes into a cement mixer, turn it on and in 2 million years we will pull out an Ivan Aivazovsky masterpiece, which according to you is perfectly possible because I’ve “recreated the conditions” by throwing all the pieces in a mixer

Your lack of critical thinking is concerning

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 07:16:55 d513eccf No.3763544

>>3763521
> Throw the canvas, paint, and brushes into a cement mixer, turn it on and in 2 million years we will pull out an Ivan Aivazovsky masterpiece
Nope. That's nothing more than the "irreducible complexity" fallacy. The first self-reproducing lifeforms were far, far simpler than any recognisable organisms you can think of.

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 13:30:31 5c187ff4 No.3763566

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>>3763544
You claimed they crossed the line and created life but all they did was “recreate conditions” as if that some how disproved God

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 17:01:45 7540e079 No.3763576

>>3763566

True. God can't be "disproved" by science, knowledge or thought in general because any possible set of events or observations can be attributed to a world with a God in it. God can never be demonstrated incorrect because it is defined in such a way that our observations of reality are meaningless to the concept. This is a kind of weasel definition from the theist that protects God from real scrutiny, but also makes talking about God in any real way virtually impossible rendering the concept meaningless.

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 18:26:37 2419546c No.3763583

>>3763544
It’s not a fallacy
If replicators require DNA to replicate things and DNA requires replicators then which came first. Because they both fundamentally require each other.

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 19:14:28 7540e079 No.3763584

>>3763583
Now you've just got your biology wrong.

RNA is known to be capable of carrying out storage and replication functions as well as act like proteins to catalyze it's own synthesis. We've known this for over a decade.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2652413/

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 19:22:41 2419546c No.3763586

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>>3763584
Oh gee good point it would be a shame if it just made my point stronger by complicating my simple example

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 19:29:01 7540e079 No.3763588

>>3763586 It's not my fault if you can't understand how simplistic a chemical a chain of RNA is.

Anonymous 01/01/25 (Wed) 19:35:12 7540e079 No.3763589

>>3763586 You could have been excused for your ignorance about how RNA can catalyze it's own synthesis but I already explained that and posted a reference you obviously didn't bother to read.

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 02:57:07 0b812637 No.3763609

>>3763584
Oh hon hon, someone has read Zee Revolutionary Phenotype le!

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 06:09:43 866ad32e No.3763617

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>>3763589
Scientific argument with a creationist is as useless as with a flat earther. But one can have interesting discussion from hollow Earth view with a flat earther. (And vice versa.)

I'd suggest using the Gnostic view that it was not the God but Satan who created Earth and life.

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 06:27:31 27b94e9b No.3763618

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>>3763617
That doesn’t work philosophically
To say evil created life is to say our existence is fundamentally evil and against the will of God.
It also doesn’t work because why would God create the universe without intending to create life as well? Did God just create a universe sized hourglass to watch the sands shift without greater meaning or purpose?

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 07:15:13 866ad32e No.3763619

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>>3763618
It's pretty evident that material life is not a perfect creation. For example pain, suffering and dissatisfaction appears necessary to protect humans from dying from injuries, neglect and unfavorable circumstances before they can reproduce. Why would a good god create that instead of purely spiritual life? Obviously the creation iof material world is a work of an evil Demiurge. Gnostics believed Jesus Christ only appeared to be a mortal man but was in truth a fully spiritual being. And that some humans have a spiritual spark which can let them escape the material world from enlightenment with help of a divine redeemer, &cet.
This is of course all heretical to Christians who are blinded by Satan and tried to erase all Gnistics and knowledge about Gnostic truth early on but maybe you can make them see their error.
(This is just a suggestion how to start constructing a rant. I'm not at all religious and do not actually care.)

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 07:29:25 27b94e9b No.3763621

>>3763619
He didn’t create that, God created paradise known as the garden of Eden. The perfect garden was corrupted when sin was introduced by Satan causing man to rebel/be rejected.

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 07:57:36 866ad32e No.3763626

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>>3763621
For short summary of Gnosticism, see
https://www.learnreligions.com/what-is-gnosticism-700683

To faithless me it does not seem any more or less sillier or contradictory than Christianity, just an alternate view.

And likely more productive to discuss than chemistry of RNA with someone who does not take assumption the scientific method produces knowledge about objective world.

Anonymous 01/02/25 (Thu) 14:23:10 7a9e005c No.3763633

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>>3763626

Anonymous 01/03/25 (Fri) 01:32:50 7540e079 No.3763660

>>3763618

Why not? The universe seems plenty hostile towards life. All the view would preclude is a fundamentally good, and at the same time all powerful God, or one that crated the universe for the specific purpose of having life in it. Neither of these things need to be true.

Mix 01/03/25 (Fri) 01:40:22 6cd56b7b No.3763663

>>3763660 Dear A I bot, You are to easy to detect .

Anonymous 01/03/25 (Fri) 01:42:13 7540e079 No.3763664

>>3763617
It's always good to tell people when they are making a bad argument that flies in the face of the evidence we have. The idea that abiogenesis is impossible because cellular life as we know them would need to pop out of a pool of gloop is a common mischaracterization of the way people actually studying the subject actually think.

Anonymous 01/03/25 (Fri) 01:43:39 7540e079 No.3763666

>>3763663
You usually detect bots because they are questioning the fundamental assumptions of religious people? They must be making really good bots nowadays.

Anonymous 01/03/25 (Fri) 06:12:11 866ad32e No.3763681

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>>3763633
Would you prefer to read kummaa molotusta, jota useimmat tällä foorumilla eivät ymmärrä instead of broken approximation of English?

>>3763664
Like religion, pseudoscience is not based on the philosophy of scientific method. Preaching scientific knowledge to someone who KNOWS the truth because Goddess revealed it to them in tea leaves (or whatever) may feel good but will not convince them.

Mix 01/03/25 (Fri) 08:05:37 6cd56b7b No.3763682

>>3763666 no , it's because of this everywhere

Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 00:23:38 0b812637 No.3763732

>>3763681
Do you suppose there are things outside the reach of science or can everything be dissected, broken down and catalogued?

Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 01:02:13 2419546c No.3763736

>>3763732
There are known knowns
Unknown knowables
And unknowables

Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 02:00:17 7540e079 No.3763741

>>3763682

Calling me a bot isn't much of an argument. I just wanted to call attention to some of the assumptions people commonly make about God. Something we would call a God could exist but be malevolent. Something we would call a God could exist but not be interested in life. Theists don't generally think about God along any other lines than those they have been taught.

Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 02:02:29 7540e079 No.3763742

>>3763681
Convincing people who are dead set in their ways isn't really the goal. When I see an incorrect line of thinking that is easy to demonstrate to be incorrect it's little effort to point others in the right direction if they are just observers who may think along the same lines.

Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 02:55:16 0e539319 No.3763749

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Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 07:56:50 866ad32e No.3763767

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>>3763732
Of course not everything is knowable. Most of our expanding universe is unknowable simply because distance between here and there increases faster than speed of light and for that reason is not causally connected to us.
Dynamic systems like weather on Earth and planetary orbits in of our solar system will always be unpredictable in long therm.
There are plenty of provably undecidable problems in mathematics.

Anonymous 01/04/25 (Sat) 08:33:40 26264100 No.3763771

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Anonymous 01/05/25 (Sun) 03:03:04 a44f924e No.3763854

>>3763749
Funny how christkikes only try to point at others instead of "we need to remove pedophiles from church". Interesting.

Anonymous 01/05/25 (Sun) 03:28:58 a44f924e No.3763855

>>3763854
1. John W. Radcliff II: A youth pastor from West Virginia, Radcliff was arrested on 190 counts of sexual assault, abuse, and incest spanning over three decades. The allegations involve multiple victims, including relatives, with incidents occurring in Braxton, Lewis, and Harrison counties.

2. Ronnie Goines: Lead pastor of Koinonia Christian Church in Arlington, Texas, Goines was arrested in 2024 for allegedly sexually assaulting a female congregation member. Despite the charges, he returned to the pulpit and maintains his innocence.

3. Apollo Quiboloy: Founder of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ Church in the Philippines, Quiboloy has faced multiple allegations of sexual abuse and trafficking. In 2024, former church members testified against him, accusing him of grooming children for sex and other misconduct.

4. Edward-Richard Hinds: A Brooklyn pastor and leader of the 67th Precinct Clergy Council, Hinds was indicted in November 2024 on charges of sexually abusing a 16-year-old boy in December 2022. He faces multiple charges, including third-degree criminal sexual act and endangering the welfare of a child.

5. Todd Hubers van Assenraad: An East Geelong man linked to a controversial church, Hubers van Assenraad pleaded guilty in 2024 to multiple charges of persistent sexual abuse of children. The offenses involved nine boys under the age of 12 between 2016 and 2023.

Christkikes Anonymous 01/05/25 (Sun) 03:29:15 a44f924e No.3763856

>>3763855
6. Mark Hatcher: Pastor of Holy Ghost Headquarters Revival Center in Philadelphia, Hatcher was convicted in 2024 of sexual assault of three minors, including a former congregant, in incidents dating back two decades.

7. Bruce Douglas Konold: A former, longtime Christian and Missionary Alliance pastor in Minnesota, Konold was convicted in September 2024 of criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree (clergy) involving sexual misconduct.

8. Pierre Louis: A Florida pastor, previously convicted in a sex abuse case, was under investigation in 2023 after a 23-year-old church member accused him of sexual assault during a prayer session.

9. Daniel Kellan Mayfield: A former youth pastor at Gowensville Baptist Church in South Carolina, Mayfield was arrested in 2023 and faces nearly 150 charges related to voyeurism. He allegedly filmed individuals without their consent, with the number of charges increasing as more victims were identified.

10. Zachary King: A former pastor from Lexington, Kentucky, King was arrested in 2024 on charges of rape, sodomy, and sexual abuse involving a 15-year-old victim. The alleged crimes occurred between January 2023 and April 2024 at his home, the minor's home, and his former church.