2e59e713 No.3768460
>>3768451> but none of that is communismNo-true-scotsman. The reason why people describe fascism when speaking of communism is because the practical implementations are virtually identical.
>>3768445>You can't critique something by talking about something it isn't.Of course you can. That's usually one of the major reasons to criticize something - that it isn't what it claims. If you're in want of a car, then the problem of horses is that they indeed aren't cars.
c870f68b No.3768461
The Free Software Movement is communist. It's not so bad. Scientists collaborating across the globe and sharing research is also communism. Free to participate or opt out. That's how it's done right.
2e59e713 No.3768462
You see, the main problem is that when a communist says "Following this ideology leads towards a stateless society", they are mistaken. It does not, because it cannot.
If you define "communism" as "that which leads to a stateless society", then communism doesn't exist at all and the fellow you just met isn't a communist, because their ideology will not get you there.
If you instead define "communism" as that which follows from adhering to communism, then communism can exist and the fellow may be a communist, but what they're really doing is just fascism under another name.
>>3768461None of that is true. Scientist collaboration has nothing to do with communism.
06933f89 No.3768470
>>3768462Yes, exactly! Communism as a form of government on a large scale can not exist in a world with limited resources which is why you are fucking STUPID if you spend all your time being angry about it.
It's like being angry because someone told you that unicorns are eating all the donuts at Crispy Creme so soon there will be no more donuts. You have to be AMAZINGLY stupid to fall for it, yet here we are!
011739ca No.3768472
>>3768462Sure it's communism. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Scientists of different specialties working together for the common good. No centralized authority. Stateless, since it's international collaboration. Of course, their respective governments fund it, but that doesn't detract from its communist nature.
6d0a6ddc No.3768478
>>3768451>you have been trained to believe that the word communism is SCARY and EVIL by capitalistsYou don't know that fascism is anti-capitalist? Weird mistake to make…
I respect Marx. He made a lot of good points and a lot of big mistakes but his analysis was insightful and helped me on my way. Distributism is actually pretty lit.
I'm more of a luddite than any sort of political ideologue. Once industrial society collapses it'll all be kosher. Technology and technique overrides all political concerns for the moment.
My concern is humanities survival over the next few decades before collapse really takes hold and finally disables the ability of countries to deploy weapons of mass destruction.
90c3ee9f No.3768484
>>3768461I feel like a lot of Communists are socialists without understanding the difference.
8ea442dc No.3768485
>>3768484It's all the same to right-wingers, and they'll use "communist" as a pejorative to demonize you anyway. And the distinction isn't so clear, so why not just adopt the pejorative and own it? That's my take. I think technically communism is about seizing the means of production from private enterprises by force, which I'm against. Like I said before, anyone should be allowed to opt out, which I think is called "anarchocommunism".
06933f89 No.3768492
>>3768490The vast majority of pedos are right-wing.
2e59e713 No.3768493
>>3768472>Sure it's communism. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Scientists of different specialties working together for the common good.That's got nothing to do with science.
Scientists share their findings because peer review is an accepted part of the definition of science. There's no general mandate to share resources or collaborate across specialties, and the philosophy of science has nothing to do with the arguments of communism. Even the quote you gave is from something entirely different.
>>3768470>Yes, exactly! Communism as a form of government on a large scale can not exist in a world with limited resources which is why you are fucking STUPID if you spend all your time being angry about it. It cannot exist even in a world with unlimited resources, because of its contradictions and flaws of thinking. The reason for being "angry about it" is that people still try to sell communism as if it COULD exist in any form or shape as described by the theory. The only way communism does exist is by turning into a dictatorship. That's what we get when we buy the idea. You're out there buying a car and you end up buying a donkey because the salesman talked you into signing the papers before seeing the product.
2e59e713 No.3768494
>>3768484>I feel like a lot of Communists are socialists without understanding the difference.Communism is just socialism "taken seriously", says Marx. Same fundamental philosophy, but formulated as a framework for concrete action. The reason why it is called communism is because socialism implemented to its logical conclusion is supposed to result in it. That was one of Marx's criticism against his contemporary socialist thinkers - that they're just armchair philosophers and not intellectually serious or rigorous about it - and why he wanted to differentiate from them by inventing a new name.
So yeah, a lot of people who have no intention of ever even actually attempting communism and who are just regurgitating the talking points and complaining about capitalism, may be described as "socialists without understanding the difference".
2e59e713 No.3768496
>>3768470>Communism as a form of government on a large scaleBtw. if by communism you mean a "stateless society", then "communism as a form of government" is an oxymoron. There is no government because it's a stateless society. That's one of the internal contradictions.
Communism as a form of government only exists in the case where the state exists, and such a state is not "communism" by the theory but communism by the practice. In other words, when you buy into communism, you're promised the "car", but what turns up at you driveway is the "donkey". That's what communism IS.
2e59e713 No.3768499
>>3768485> I think technically communism is about seizing the means of production from private enterprisesSocialism and communism both. They mean the common ownership of the means of production, which means the state is what owns all productive assets: machinery, buildings, roads, intellectual rights…
> which I think is called "anarchocommunism"Which is again an oxymoron. Something like that can only exist in words, since arbitrary words strung together don't have to mean anything.
10d2392a No.3768500
>>3768499> They mean the common ownership of the means of production,I'm pretty sure communism (the ideal one) is the ownership of the means of production by people organised in small communes, there's no country-sized state.
7b5a2715 No.3768501
STOP REPLYING TO ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD.
LET IT DIE
POL THREADS ARE SHIT
THIS IS A FURRY BOARD, NOT CNN.
10d2392a No.3768502
>>3768501Everything is politics. You can't ignore the sociopolitical ramifications of Furry.
2487a0d0 No.3768504
TAKE IT ELSEWHERE.
2487a0d0 No.3768508
>>3768506Why should we listen to some lying criminal who will never get out of jail
e204fa66 No.3768510
>>3768490The problem with those "people just struggling to survive" as you put it, is that they are kept in a state of perpetual toil. And because of that, they no idea what's actually going on. How could they? It takes time and effort to research news events and determine causes, to learn the science of climate change, to understand politicians like Trump beyond a surface level. For instance, do these people know Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein? Almost certainly not. If they understood the nature of Trump and Epstein's relationship, they wouldn't credulously believe Trump's promise to release the Epstein files.
Why won't Trump release the Epstein files?I assert that Trump certainly will not release them, because he would be self-incriminating. Mark my words.
2487a0d0 No.3768514
>>3768510NOW will you shut up about this, you constantly-lying, election losing piece of SHIT?
READ the article, it says the files might be released TODAY.
TRUMP didn't HAVE these files to release, BIDEN'S FBI did. Do you think this shit was just laying on Trump's desk when he walked into his office on Jan 20.
You have no idea how hard it has been to wring this out of the hands of Biden's FBI, probably because Obama, Harris, Biden, and many other democrats are ON THE LIST.
Why do you think they buried Trump in LAWFARE, and wanted him assassinated? THEY KNEW THIS WAS COMING IF HE WON.
FUCKING IDIOT TROLL.
2487a0d0 No.3768516
>>3768515Will you kill yourself if he does?
Because all you've done is bitch about wanting it released,
now we get to laugh when you see all the names that ARE on it,
and the ones that are not, like Trump's, and watch you cry and cry.
It was just 3B lying all along.
Cry some more.
Lie, then cry.
Yes, you got that right, it was the Democrat Cult that killed Ashley Babbit. Glad you agree on that.
3925049f No.3768517
>>3768516again you try to use the one man psyop and go after some mythical creature instead of the argument. It's intellectually lazy because you are a fucking retard.
06933f89 No.3768522
>>3768518The Dunning-Kruger effect is what we call when someone is so stupid they believe they are a genius. They believe they know more than all of the experts and become hostile to the people who actually know what they are doing because experts threaten their self-image.
Donald Trump is the human embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He has surrounded himself by skillless, clueless, Yes Men and sees anyone with any more intelligence or knowledge than himself as an enemy.
This is why he is so relatable to his followers, even though he's a multi-millionaire who has made most of his money stealing from their tax dollars surrounded by billionaires who haven't made most of their money stealing tax dollars.
His followers seeing him someone who doesn't threaten them because he is just as stupid as they are. This is the Dunning-Kruger presidency.
2487a0d0 No.3768525
>>3768518I've never seen it spelled that way before.
Thanks, GRAMMAR NAZI.
2487a0d0 No.3768526
>>3768522And you STILL don't get it, you're too stupid to.
Trump is doing EXACTLY what the majority of America voted him in to do.
Burn it all down and start over.
MAGA.
If you don't like it I will gladly buy you a one-way ticket to the Communist paradise of your choice, at least that way we will know where one actually is.
27249a5b No.3768534
Do you 100% agree with Daddy Trump, because everything he does is beautiful an perfect?
No? FAKE CONSERVATIVE LIB BOT!
9100bff9 No.3768537
>>3768535America doesn't have friends. It only has useful idiots.
06933f89 No.3768541
>>3768526>buy you a ticket to the communist paradise of your choice…That's not a bad idea if Republicans ever want to win an election again after the Trump shit-show. Imagine the millions of people who would flee Trump-Land for Canada, or Europe where they could get real healthcare.
You could finally have the country you dream of! Just stupid people like you!
06933f89 No.3768544
>>3768542Low IQ conservatives think this is some radical woke agenda shit but states have been passing these kind of legal edits since the time Bill Clinton was president and it had nothing to do with gender politics.
It's the legal system and in the legal system words have specific meaning. "Mother" is a general term which can include step parents, adopted parents and so forth.
When they want a law to only apply to the people who made the baby they have to remove generic terms like mother and father for more specific terms.
This isn't being woke, it's just how the law works. It's how the law has always worked. You are seeing conspiracy where there is just normal life.
db59f1b1 No.3768545
No joke, I just filled out and printed out a passport application form. Seriously thinking about jumping ship. I didn't make this goddamn mess! Canada? Ireland? One of the Scandinavian countries? I need to do more research, but any port in a storm. My home country has become so hateful, arrogant, and psychopathic thanks to these maga assholes, I just don't fit in. I want compassionate, polite, friendly people as neighbors. God help me. Please don't let my escape plane crash because the vengeful dictator gutted the FAA!
ad1e570a No.3768549
>>3768541We won everything.
The USA is being fundamentally transformed to our liking.
Tell us again how smart you are.
Now go kill yourself
1603298e No.3768558
>>3768549>The USA is being fundamentally transformed to our liking.A banana republic with decreasing life expectancy, soaring unemployment and economic recession
lmao
ad1e570a No.3768562
>>3768558
>>Banana RepublicThat's what it's BEEN the last 4 years under BIDEN.
Are you BLIND or just trying out more of your 1984 DoubleSpeak?
We were the laughing stock of the world until now
Every time Biden (his handlers) did ANYTHING, all we heard from the public was "We are now officially a Banana Republic "
Because it was shit only some place like that would do.
8d871183 No.3768566
>>3768564But the Democrat base didn't want Biden, you stupid bitch. That's why he was ousted. The problem was he was allowed to pick his replacement. His dementia judgement gave us Harris, who no one wanted. Now we have a dementia dictator burning down everything Americans have worked hard for.
