31 here. The fandom has always been trash from the moment fursonas and tolerating sex pests became a thing. The Burned Furs were right.
39 here. The fandom has always been cool, and people like >>3627679
this guy are incel losers who turned into Nazis because they can't get laid. Even better now that we can ostracize them.
The Burned Furs were losers even back in the day, and if you look at who they are you will see that some of them are now Furry Raiders and other Nazi-fur trash. Once a loser, always a loser.
>>3627682>this guy are incel losers who turned into Nazis because they can't get laid
Wrong on all points.
Without gatekeeping shitty people like pedophiles, animal rapists, trannies, and sex obsessed coomers out of the fandom it becomes a magnet and safe haven for the worst kinds of people. The furry raiders are all some mixture of the above.
You couldn't tell a Nazi if he bit you in your fucking ass.
Listen to yourself, you can't even tell apart the Raiders (edgy but apolitical) for Xanadu (Blumiere's little fucking tree house, probably dead by now). And I'd know cause I got kicked out of Xanadu for "degeneracy" but I'm still a long time Raiders member. Len still talks to me, cause he's not as serious as most people would think at a glance.
Why are all your friends convicted sex offenders?
If I were you I'd keep really quiet
about sex offenders, because you absolutely do not want to start that conversation.
So you're a member of a group that wears a furry-themed Nazi armband, is led by a guy whose name means Fox Hitler and you regularly talk with a guy who is an admitted fascist and lover of Nazi Germany… but I'm the one who wouldn't know a Nazi, lol.
It's impossible to tell if you people are just so dumb you don't realize you're Nazis or if you're just really bad at lying about it. Either way you're all pathetic. Even the other Nazis outside furry don't want you dumbasses around because you make them look bad.
You must be confusing me for someone else. Just because I'm not a retarded /pol/fag doesn't mean I'm some tranny antifag. How fucking pathetic do you have to be to make being a furry nazi larper a part of your identity?>>3627698
Don't forget how many of them are convicted sex pests.
If you weren't some far left weirdo, you wouldn't be complaining.
And I didn't make nazi larping part of my identity. But I do make pissing off commies by any means necessary part of my identity because fuck you.
LOL just a few minutes ago you were bragging about being buttbuddies with them.
How fucking repugnant of a person does someone have to be in order to be disavowed by those degenerate chucklefucks?
Consider the type of person who would be attracted to that kind of group in the first place, then consider what it would take to get kicked out of that group.
Of course he's that lonely
I didn't agree with what he was doing back then and I don't now, but he never cut me off. We did lose contact after a couple of his suspensions and me withdrawing from all politics for a while.
Blumiere single-handedly blew up Alt-Furry because of ideological purity spiraling and I got booted for disagreeing with him in public and refusing to take it back in private, because I wasn't having any of the witch-hunting bullshit. Guess that friendship wasn't made to last.>>3627704
Because I made a throwaway statement that I actually don't stand by. Needs clearing up and context. You don't have to read it if you don't want to.
Where the fuck do you think you're posting, newfag?
So your group of degenerates was so fucked up that a diaper shitting lardass faggot broke it up by being too much of a moralfag in comparison?
>>3627705>>Consider the type of person who would be attracted to that kind of group in the first place
The kind that isn't a humorless cancel culture addict? The kind that wants the fandom to stay as it was when I entered it and everybody was busy with being furry instead of having garbage takes on twitter about politics? The kind that can still entertain a thought without automatically reacting with blue team good red team bad?>>3627707
Why do you even bother posting?
Just because I'm not part of your little nazifur circlejerk doesn't meant I'm some terminally online twitter tranny leftist. You're both different flavors of the same insufferable retardation
Imagine being a 31-year-old oversharing your account of being ousted from a group of dipshit Nazi-furry pedophiles out of sheer loneliness.>>3627708
The fandom was always filled with "degenerates". The Burned Furs were reactionaries and losers, even back then. You were always a laughing stock and you still are.
Other than one homophobic asshole, what part of the Burned Furs criticism of the fandom was wrong? Gatekeeping is necessary for any community to exist. Burned Furs have nothing in common with the pedophile Nazi larpers like >>3627689
It's the same old reactionary bullshit as always. They claimed the fandom was becoming "more sexualized" even though it started in the 80s with fat, greasy internet perverts jerking off to Minerva Mink porn and Omaha the Cat Dancer comics. Burned Furs was a reaction to the growing LGBT side of the fandom becoming more outgoing about their own sexuality. The leader himself was a massive homophobe. That's really what most reactionary movements boil down to. The fandom was ALWAYS sexual. They just didn't like the fact it was also becoming more gay.
Read the manifesto again. It's more about keeping out the animal and kiddy diddlers, lifestylers that make being a furry their life, and the unwillingness to keep adult shit behind closed doors. There's nothing about the Burned Furs that demanded everything be G rated or exclusively heterosexual, just a plea to keep it in your pants in public and not embrace bad actors that would drag down the entire fandom.
Don't care, not my problem, I ignored them back in the day, I don't stand for any of the anti-sex anti-gay stuff, you're barking up the wrong tree if you think you can pin even 0.1% of that on me.
Projecting much? None of my actual friends were involved in any of that crap. I just did that on the side cause I was annoyed with what the fandom had become.>>3627709
Pffff, sure, whatever.
You still haven't answered my question though.
Nothing wrong with zoophilia, nothing wrong with being a lifestyler, adult shit in shouldn't be kept behind closed doors, fuck fandom optics and all of that, we don't need the approval of filthy normies to exist.
And the Burned Furs were raging homophobes in practice, that's a fact.
The way you post on here makes it pretty clear you're too autistic to have real life friends.
Made up of mostly vaxxers so I estimate fandom death as imminent and it will go back to us originals. The new crowd will never be forever and we will be the survivors
The art got way better, ridiculously so.
The drama got worse because moar people in the fandom = moar drama happening all over the place.
Because of that, as a rule of thumb, I don't follow furries from English-speaking nations anymore due to them being incredibly toxic nowadays.
I'd say it's more the fault of social media. Shit wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now before Twitter.
Isn't it weird how much more wing-nut this iteration of this thread is on /lulz/ than it is on /trash/?
34, artist. Social medias certainly are very cancerous and worthless. Lots of ruskies and very similar drawing styles. Lots of bot use. Number of really interesting creators certainly hasn't increased as much.
Dumb trends like YCHs and adoptables are still going. Dickgirls because transsexualism is very fashionable.
Curious what the future has in store for us. Don't really care for the fandom as a whole as it's all so fragmented. Might as well seek out the things you enjoy and work on bettering yourself.
Fashion never lasts! So here's to hoping. I'd rather people were happy and content with their lives though it would be healthy to differentiate between fetish and reality. Hell, it would be great if people could undergo perfect transitions! But it's impossible in our reality.
I don't know what you expected from a retirement home imageboard.>>3627817>Might as well seek out the things you enjoy and work on bettering yourself.
Best advice in this thread.
37, here are my experience with the fandom. Animalism escape from reality to fantasy and or fictional world.
Furries: memes, new species, YCH your characters here, fursuits, animal bones nic nacs, food and selfies pics, low quality art work that is drawn from 3 year old, death journals, most depressing it's just meh.
Bronies: 3D animation with futa crap, the art is just too plain bland simple not a taste or a cup of tea for most adults the only good is the story and books, and games.
Tranny woke ideological drama.
Call it an art work sex entertainment industry. I wonder how would AI were to draw by learning furry art tutorials concepts, sketches, outlines and color last.
>>3627861>creepy 'cart full of fox plushies' guys.
I've heard of this before but can't remember the details…
Who are those? I thought Mark Merlino had retired from the fandom or died years ago
Imageboard culture in general got infested with Stormfront brainworms due to a combination of factors. It has since spread everywhere moderation is lax. Ironically this place is owned by an anarco-communist who lets Nazis run rampant all over his site. Not that it really matters since the place is near dead and only clings to life with the handful of schizos and irrelevant middle-age regulars who can't quit coming back to it.
Trannies are a good litmus test for any community. If they're tolerated in a community you know it's going to become a cesspool and echo chamber. Unfortunately due to their autism and current status as a political wedge they've got an undue amount of influence in anything related to social media and an insatiable thirst for power.
Tranny jannies turn everything into an echo chamber.
>>3627871>Trannies are a good litmus test for any community
they're not tolerated in islam/iran
but tolerated in christianity/usa
really makes you thunk
>>3627873>Iran, where homos are killed
well, one part of your post is factual
They literally have the tranny dream of taxpayer funded transition
Is this a photo of the both of them?
Also LOL at that tranny manning the booth
>>3627876>"Just because gender confirmation operation is possible, it does not mean that the government particularly accepts trans people," she says. "And it certainly does not mean that their needs and their rights are met."
also>Iranian law does not protect trans people against stigmatization, hate crimes or domestic violence, and the government has no concrete plan for normalizing and demarginalizing trans people.
a deram indeed
So, in other words, they're treated exactly like women in Iran?
And when do trannies ever stop whining about how everything is oppression or transphobic?
Are you fucking kidding me?>>3627875
Are you that ignorant? Pisses me off that I have to keep pictures of horrible shit on my computer because I know Leftists will lie and deny in a second.
I'm truly sorry you lack reading comprehension.
The more time I spend in the fandom, the more I'm convinced that all the horrible things that furries are accused of being are largely not a problem with furries, but with americans.
Rather than "It's the fandom problems", it's more of an irl problems. The difference is people in the fandom is more vocal about it.
Where are you from Anon?
Central yurop. A few lolcows aside, people here are more self-aware on average by a landslide.
British furries are pretty terrible. Usually more so than Americans.
Honestly Brits are pretty terrible in comparison to burgers, furry or otherwise.
Gotta admit that I don't have much experience with bongs and I mentally group them together with burgers to begin with. But as a rule of thumb it seems that the more west you go, the more retarded the furry.
Sorrowful, rotate your images you lazy ass.>>3627739
That beard is absolutely disgusting. Nice gun tho.>>3627972
The West has a problem with their "diversity". Poland doesn't. Who is the shithole now, huh?>>3627866
There are no National Socialists on this site you fucking newfag, go back to Tumblr. And the chans were a cesspit of edgelordery and offensive shit pretty much since forever (at least 2006, earliest I've been on 4chan) because most of their audience is probably below 21 and/or with zero social skills.
Twitter is the most cancerous and toxic hellhole on this planet, no healthy conversation can be had in 140 chars or less at a time, it's just people endlessly flinging shit at each other, on top of it, due to the far left bias of Silicon Valley, it booted off most of the people with a different opinion, so now the entire site is basically a far left echo chamber.
And furries have to live there, because fuck, where the hell else are you gonna put your stuff and talk to people without mods spying on your shit? Most people are conformist, so most furries just got with the program and put the pronouns in the bio.
Fucking hate this fandom.>>3627818>>once the tranny fad ends and they all inevitably kill themselves
While I agree that many people that are trans now are just hopping on a bandwagon, some of these people are just gender-confused non-heterosexual teens and young adults having made a stupid decision due to various social pressures. You can't just wish them dead and you're not gonna make many friends with that kind of attitude.
Yes, yes, everybody is sick of the pronoun shit and the bending of words and reality. But the trans fad can only be defeated by former trans people speaking out. And they can't speak out if they're dead you fucking moron. at least TRY to put yourself in their shoes for one second.>>3627879
Get a hobby, seriously.
The former trannies can't speak out when the tranny jannies remove them from every platform. Having to interact with trannies in person or attend the funerals of family and friends who were groomed into trannyhood will push more people to hit peak trans than a few videos or statements made by survivors on websites that that are labeled as Nazi hate speech repositories.
Nah, most people aren't raging fucking transphobes and suicide and mental issues aren't exactly that uncommon even in regular people, so they may not see the forest for the trees.
It has to be people who went through it on some level speaking out about this topic specifically.
Alternative platforms are growing as the far left purge more and more people from their platforms, so these sites will become more relevant, and companies like Youtube and Twitter can only piss off their audiences so much and run the company at a net loss until the shareholders will finally have enough and just boot off all the activist types.
95% of people already recognize that trannies are fucking batshit. The problem is that no one feels safe saying their honest opinion about it. Women are eventually going to get fed up with it and speak out about it. The pendulum is already swinging back in the direction of sanity in the UK
But still, can't you address the problems of transsexualism without being a massive bigot?
I've checked your IDs, while many people disagree here, myself included, you're pretty much the only one here that spews this kind of hate consistently.
To me it sounds like you got a personal problem here. Maybe you need to check yourself as much as the transtrenders.
How is stating facts bigotry?
Don't be dense on purpose. I don't have a problem with your facts, I have a problem with the insults and hate that come alongside them.
You're not making friends or convincing anyone by being a humongous douchebag.>>3628000
You have a problem with Facts.
35 here. left the fan dumb 3-6 months into it. 90% were fags, 90% of the artists were feminists profiting off the fags with stolen art and ridiculous prices. I lost it when Pink&Brain/Gargoyles voice actors showed up and were horrified by the porn.
Got tricked into going to Ciderfest; given the name, I thought it was Milwaukee beer con. Nope, feminist brony with deceptive name, insane prices, and hey made the voice actors say "down with patriarchy" to the girl scouts in the room. Indoctrination for sure. Gotta start them young! …also, staffed by MFF furries, as usual. Growly was there. Yikes.
Fyi no one has rights to facts facts just are and cant be changed no matter what anyone wants to think of them. Facts are indiscriminate and eternal even if we abuse our lives with false ones. Even if you win in a war and try to change the perception it never changes the facts.
Read between the legs as a picture is worth 1,000 whores.
Cope with being single more.
art only got better because all the men were plagerized and kicked out for being transphobic like myself. see my art here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYmiwbO5icc
I was banned for both being into this werewolf role-play too much and for hating trans because all my tranny friends went psycho on me or offed themselves like Stalking Cat.
Oh the Irony
Like bro, you ain't a girl either. Thank fuck furries don't have human rights. Get hunting.
You forget no matter what you dress up in its still a human behind the costume you pleb no matter what your end argument is the same a simple selfish justification for hatred that you self perpetuate. Its not their fault I mean your the type of person to justify driving people to despair and kill themselves in itself is a human rights violation so I think its best you distance yourself from the world go full hermit if you have to but you are the very definition of sick on this planet for you lack common understanding.
Also from what your describing, you hate them because you thought a trap to be a female and when you found out you were attracted to a guy you started hating because you made a mistake. Its not anyones fault but your own!.
grandpa's schizoposting about "the trannies" outside the /pol/ thread agaaaain
You're a mentally ill crackwhore
"Gosh I hate trannies so much!
Just look at all these images of trannies I've saved on my hard drive!
Trannies ruin everything and are everywhere!
They're constantly on my mind!
Trannies, trannies, trannies!
Time to schizopost five more times about trannies without provocation!"
Every rightwinger I've met who talks about trans people this much is either an egg or addicted to shemale porn. Every time.
Why do you faggots always assume that everyone who disagrees with you is right wing?
I generally assume all stupid people are conservative. It's not always the case, but the law of averages is in my favor.
I'm sure this thread was about older furries, not trannies.
Literally yes, lol.
That much is blatantly obvious when they side with hardcore religious right and anti-LGBT conservatives.
It's also about how the fandom has changed over the years and trannies always do everything they possibly can to get embedded into groups and hijack them. Furry being accepting of queer people has made it an easy target for them.
Can anyone give me a genuine reason why being trans is somehow different from being an otherkin but for gender?
>>3627676>How do you see the fandom today
The furry community has changed radically from decades ago. The cancer of flaming faggotry, gender identity and political correctness has destroyed almost all of it.
The Burned Furs are right.
Yep. It changed from a let's all dress up and have a good time to muh gender muh politics muh hate because you don't think I'm what I say I am reeeee.
It's not really fun anymore. I can't say I've missed going to events for the last two years, which is kind of sad. I remember going and having a good time, years ago.
>>3628098>Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi
Changed? Furry has been a psychotic hellhole since the 80s. lol.
Remember all the stories about assholes living in furry communes back in the day? You'd show up expecting some cosplay or mags or something and people would be drugged off their minds, smelling like decay and shit, while getting raped by some literally psychotic hive king/queen. Usually these things would be predatory in nature, and the victims would be people that worshiped their art or were young and dumb.
Furry has, and always will be, a fucked up hell hole. But that's okay. Just don't add to the shit pile and clean it up when you can.
The fandom today has much better arts than in the past. Can't speak about furry conventions as last one I went to was 5+ years ago and it was still pleasant.
I think the fandom will be going to shit because it's becoming bigger and thus reflects society at large.
Also, militant trans should be kicked out ; last thing I heard, "cuntboys" (I don't really care about them but…) became a derogatory term or something, hurting the sensibility of some of them. It just shows how they can introduce striffe everywhere.
Cuntboy and dickgirl are very concise terms which describe a certain configuration that's quickly distinguishable, but no~ we can't have that.
It's what happens where some get constantly offended any dialog gets shut down and good, honest people go away. Can't be honest around certain types otherwise you risk getting branded.
Nah, that was just California
…at first. The crazy just took over everything and everywhere because nobody wanted to ruin their reputation by having anything to do with the whole fag-fest.
That's dated 2002, which is well past the 80's and 90's. At that point the crazy had already spread out of California and everyone sane had left the fandom.
That document might be from 2002 but his sperging goes back to the 90s.http://rogue.macrophile.com/stories/nekobe/why.html
Where's Dennis Falk from?
Thanks for backing me up, Gonz. I feel like I'm losing my mind talking to that kind of people.
They just move the goalposts and completely ignore any points made, heap on hate and then play dumb.
For the record I don't think trans people can do no wrong and I don't think pronouns are holy and need to be legally enforced, I'm just arguing for basic acceptance here.
>>3628021>>left the fan dumb 3-6 months into it
You've been on this board for like 10 years don't pretend you're not a furry or don't like the porn, cause I can dredge up posts of you posting in porn threads if I need to.
>>90% were fags
>>90% of the artists were feminists profiting off the fags with stolen art and ridiculous prices
Women, not feminists. Feminists used to be very rare before 2012-ish, this just wasn't on people's radar.
>>I lost it when Pink&Brain/Gargoyles voice actors showed up and were horrified by the porn.
Don't act like this outcome wasn't entirely predictable (and absolutely amusing)
>>3628156>we're just innocents offering to house people we meet on sex IRC
They were undoubtedly hoping he would be some naive runaway who could be used as a fucktoy for housing and food. I don't feel particularly sorry for them getting a bipolar sex fiend instead. I lol'd when I got to the part about their "not gay" friend cuddling with them in bed, maybe in the dead of winter with no heat.>>3628170
Where is the proof it was ever not crazy, or more accurately not filled with nutjobs? Any reasonable person just comes for what they enjoy be it art, costumed gay sex, or the community™, and then they ignore all the crazy drama from internet people.
>>3628023>>but you'd lie about your sex; as if you had any
Male, never claimed otherwise.
Oh, so you have decided to just go full turbo-transphobe. Nice.
For the record I don't support gender reassignment surgery and I think people like you are hypocrites for essentially demanding a surgery to recognize a trans person with one corner of the mouth and then still deny their transition and laugh at them for ruining their body with the other.
And man or woman is a social role. A social role which ought to be permitted to people who have put a certain amount of effort into transitioning (where that line is is a different argument). The words you are looking for is male and female. Trans women may not be female, but they are women. There is no logical contradiction there.
I don't support teaching kids anything beyond "gay people exist, some men marry other men, some women marry other women, that's okay, trans people exist, a small amount of men will feel like they need to become women and a small amount of women will feel like they need to become men". Period. That's it. And I personally view "trans kids" as essentially gay genocide, since 80% of "trans kids" are in reality just gay or bi according to studies. A clear way to boost trans numbers by tricking effeminate gay males into needless transitions, because after gay rights were achieved, mission accomplished, but LGBT activists and professional gender grifters needed a new cause to rally around, they couldn't just pack up and go home, even though most people didn't really have a problem with being trans anyway really back in the day.
But explaining this is probably casting pearls before swine, but for the time being I will assume you are genuinely misinformed about this topic.
>>I'd check your ID
PROTIP: click on ID to highlight all posts by a certain user.
You're fucking welcome.
Stop referring to not playing along with the delusions of the mentally ill as "transphobia"
>trans people exist, a small amount of men will feel like they need to become women and a small amount of women will feel like they need to become men". Period
The correct thing to teach children about trannies is "some people are mentally ill and you should stay away from them because they are a danger to themselves and others"
But have you considered that they may have a legitimate brain wiring issue that makes their brain's sex incompatible with the sex of their body?Too bad we can't research that because both the far left and the far right are out of control and it's either all 5000 genders and self-identification or all degeneracy and mental illness and nothing inbetween.
After all, being gay is a brain wiring issue (due to womb hormones), and it's not mental illness, well, unless you're a raging fucking homophobe as well.
Self-reporting as an incel as a non-sequitur is a real power move, boss
Anorexics and people suffering from other forms of delusional disorders or body integrity identity disorder also have legitimate brain problems but playing along with those delusions doesn't help them. You don't prescribe anorexics appetite suppressants or amputate the limbs of someone with BIID to help them.
Not the same thing.
It's one thing to have a perception error and another to be wired for a different hormonal environment (why HRT usually helps alleviate gender dysphoria).
Also, by this logic homosexuality is also a mental disorder because it's also an uncommon brain configuration that leads to behavior that deviates from what's "normal" (even though it's present in most mammal species and clearly a natural population control mechanism - the fraternal birth order effect)
Do you believe gay people are mentally ill, Y/N?
Don't equate homosexuality and with trannies. The two are nothing alike.
If transitioning actually helped trannies then they wouldn't all inevitably end up killing themselves. Anti-psychotics are a successful treatment for gender dysphoria https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8839957/
>>3628193>After all, being gay is a brain wiring issue (due to womb hormones), and it's not mental illness, well, unless you're a raging fucking homophobe as well.
Good job at "poisoning the well".
Homosexuality can also be a mental health issue, or an adopted social trend. However, hypocrites like you would never admit that homosexuality can be a choice because it would undermine the argument of "born this way" as an excuse and a recruitment tool to groom more confused people into the group (more people to fuck).
>>3628204> (even though it's present in most mammal species and clearly a natural population control mechanism - the fraternal birth order effect)
That's a weak hypothesis and explains only a portion of the effect at best. The strongest hypothesis is that homosexuality is a kind of birth defect with epigenetic DNA markers that fail to get erased between parent and child, making feminine men and masculine women. This is why it is not directly inheritable - there is no "gay gene" - yet still runs in families.
Not to mention that neuroplasticity throws a wrench into any "born this way" bullshit. The reasons why an individual is homosexual are as varied as homosexuals are.
On the other hand how many trannies get groomed into it by other fetishists? Look at the Wachoskis and how they only trained out after getting involved with Buck Angel's dominatrix ex-wife.
What percent of men in the world have an older brother?
>>3628213>Not to mention that neuroplasticity throws a wrench into any "born this way" bullshit.
Not to mention the absolute black & white thinking that goes against scientific evidence, e.g. the Kinsey Scale, where nobody is 100% gay or 100% straight - which means almost everyone HAS the choice regardless.
In other words, homosexuality is a preference bias, which is then further modified by neuroplasticity AND operant conditioning (self-reinforcement) AND peer pressure (psychology) which ends up in a person adopting some certain lifestyle. Where they end up is then explained as: "I was born this way, I couldn't have done anything about it."
Where this becomes dangerous is identifying "new homosexuals" in the young, where any inclination is taken as a sign that the person must come out of the closet, so the gay community then applies psychological pressure and conditioning on the person. Once the damage is done, it's far harder to undo, which is why "gay conversion" therapies don't work - but gay recruiting does.
>>3628215>What percent of men in the world have an older brother?
It's rather irrelevant:> the odds of the next son being gay increase by 38–48%. This does not mean that all or most sons will be gay after several male pregnancies, but rather, the odds of having a gay son increase from approximately 2% for the first born son, to 4% for the second, 6% for the third and so on.
The average family size in the US is 3.15 people. Most families now are single parents with two children, or a couple with one child. The odds of birth order having much effect on homosexuality is next to nil because most men no longer have older brothers. The effect would have to be far stronger to explain why there are so many gay men, and it also doesn't explain gay women at all.
If anything, the birth order effect is rather explained by the fact that then younger brothers are born to older women, which in itself increases the odds of birth defects and DNA errors of all kinds.
Or it could just be that due to being around and socializing more with other males (IE their brothers and their brother's male friends) they are more likely to find males more attractive OR more likely to meet a male that's sexually compatible with them.
Take a baby with 10 older brothers and whatever "gay genes" people claim exist and drop them on an island with a 1000 women and no men and you'll have a heterosexual man in 18 years
Or, they find themselves in social circumstances where they're trying to compete with older men and effectively turn prison gay because the older brother and his friends snatch up all the top girls.
Or they walk in on their gay older brother doing gay stuff with his boyfriend and decide to try it out. Who knows? Every gay dude is gay for a different reason.
Well, there are more ni ggers and trannies than 15 years ago. That's cool I guess.
>>3628220>>younger brothers are born to older women, which in itself increases the odds of birth defects and DNA errors of all kinds
You absolute dipshit do realize that a woman could easily crank out half a dozen kids easily before she hits 30, right?
Also genetic defects appear above a certain age regardless if there were any other kids.>>3628211>>Homosexuality can also be a mental health issue, or an adopted social trend
We're not counting jailhouse gay in here. Sure you can bend sexuality around a bit, make gay people lead straight lives or even get straight people to dabble in gay sex, but we're talking about a society with relatively little pressure either way or another. Which the West has largely been in the last 20 years.
>>hypocrites like you
>>homosexuality can be a choice because it would undermine the argument of "born this way"
The brain scans speak for themselves.
And you are a raging homophobe and I'm not really interested in continuing this conversation because you have proven you only argue in bad faith and assume the worst of everything I say and ignore most points (probably cause you can't disprove them).
You don't want to be right, you want to hate gay people. Good luck with your issues.
Those are just phrenology with updated graphics. See also: neuroplasticity.
I'm gay. Trying to find a biological cause homosexuality is a waste of time and always done with bad intentions. Whether those intentions are supportive of homosexuality or not is irrelevant.
Funny how all this appeal to biology shit focuses almost exclusively on male homosexuality or trannies (who are also overwhelmingly male).
What if we do find a way of determining exactly why a particular individual is a homosexual? What would that even accomplish? The people who hate gays will still hate us but now they'll have a new method for fucking with gay people's rights.
>>3628230>>[fMRI is] just phrenology with updated graphics.
I am sorry that you deny science.
x to doubt, cause if that's true, you're having some massive disdain for your own sexuality here and are in the process of unwittingly attempting to destroy the only reason why you even ought to have rights in the first place
>>Trying to find a biological cause homosexuality is a waste of time and always done with bad intentions.No, it's the most solid proof that it's not just people wanting to be sexually deviant, but actually a biological mechanism present in mammals and more, it's perfectly natural, people get born with it and they can't help it, so people must be allowed to express their sexuality and pursue the relationships that fit them as long as it's done among consenting adults.>>3628230
>>3628232>No, it's the most solid proof that it's not just people wanting to be sexually deviant, but actually a biological mechanism present in mammals and more, it's perfectly natural, people get born with it and they can't help it, so people must be allowed to express their sexuality and pursue the relationships that fit them as long as it's done among consenting adults.
No you fool, quite the opposite. All it fuels is the growing notion that homosexuality is an inborn disorder instead of a rational act of choice. Would you consider Down syndrome "perfectly natural" as well?
>>3628236>All of this concern trolling over what causes homosexuality or gender dysphoria is a complete non-sequitur. Who fucking cares if people are different than you? Why do you care if people want to deviate from the norm? You shouldn't, and if you do, you're probably a piece of shit or have some deep internal issues you're projecting outward.
Hello, just thought that I'd mention that I'm a zoophile, nice to meet you.
Yeah, that's weird. I don't care as long as you're not actually raping animals and just jerking it to cartoons or something. Obviously, raping animals goes beyond "just being different", idiot.
I don't rape animals, I make love to animals.
Mhm.. Whatever you say dog-raper.
>>3628232> it's perfectly natural, people get born with it and they can't help it, so people must be allowed to express their sexuality
That logic justifies pedophilia and its expression the same - or any sexual dysfunction as long as it is excused as "natural".
What about the things you say though ;)>Who fucking cares if people are different than you? Why do you care if people want to deviate from the norm? You shouldn't, and if you do, you're probably a piece of shit or have some deep internal issues you're projecting outward.
>>3628229>You absolute dipshit do realize that a woman could easily crank out half a dozen kids easily before she hits 30, right?
They can, but not all of them do. There is a small increase in probability of having any biological dysfunction for every year of difference between children because the mother necessarily gets older.
>We're not counting jailhouse gay in here. Sure you can bend sexuality around a bit
Yeah, sure, discount everything that works against your case. When you whittle down 80% of the causes as "irrelevant", you can say you were right all along.
>we're talking about a society with relatively little pressure either way or another.
Really? We aren't living in a society that pushes sexual deviancy out to children on daytime television as if it was normal, even though it only genuinely affects a handful of people.
>The brain scans speak for themselves.
The brain scans of London taxi drivers are distinguishable from the rest of the population. Does this mean they were born to be taxi drivers?
You're really bad at this.
More like you've been hoist by your own petard.
You do not "make love" to an animal which is incapable of giving consent. That is only rape.
>>3628247>incapable of giving consent
Did the steak on your table give consent to being slaughtered and eaten?
I think you must be mistaking me for someone else. I never anything negative about homosexuality because there isn't anything negative about homosexuality. I'm just saying that all the searching for a biological cause is bullshit and done for bad reasons.
If a biological cause is found then it will simply be used as a reason and means to find a "cure" for it or to abort fetuses that would end up gay.
And yes, the fMRI scans are tantamount to phrenology and have never shown causality for the shit they get correlated to.
>>3628237>>just thought that I'd mention that I'm a zoophile, nice to meet you
Is anything you post true, or do you just say shit for the sake of arguing online.
Pretending to be gay while shitting on homosexuality, now pretending to be a zoophile, what's next?
>>3628229>>hypocrites like you>Projection?
You criticize others for making black and white out of the situation of transsexuals, while doing the exact same thing about homosexuality.
>>3628248>Did the steak on your table give consent to being slaughtered and eaten?
We do not require consent of the animals we kill to eat. Largely because the death of the animal does not require it to suffer in a meaningful sense. A bullet through the brain and it doesn't exist if it ever had any consciousness at all.
Having an animal to fuck is keeping it for a life of torture.
>>3628255>A bullet through the brain and it doesn't exist if it ever had any consciousness at all.
And this is somehow supposed to be preferable to literally any state of being alive at all? What's the purpose of pain?>Having an animal to fuck is keeping it for a life of torture.
Oh no, caring and considerate sex and getting treated like a trophy wife for no cost whatsoever, if only god could stop such cruelty!
FYI, animals consent through body language and their notions of sex are much simpler. If they like it, they sit for it, if they don't, you get bitten. I sometimes wish people were this easy to deal with.But there's no point talking about any of this because >>3628237 is just a distraction.>>3628254
I am perfectly aware you were replying to someone else, smartass.
I never pretended to be gay ITT, retard.
I'm sure this is a thread about older furries… why the hell are you guys arguing about gays and zoophilia now?
>>3628255>killing animals is a-ok but fucking them is a no-no
Oh it's this guy.
Yeah, don't believe anything this guy says. He's just here to rile people up and talk shit.
A decent amount of greymuzzles are zoofurs actually.
>>3628186>Where is the proof it was ever not crazy, or more accurately not filled with nutjobs?
That was a very short period in the late 70's and early 80's when the fandom was mostly about fanzines and APAs of aspiring and semi-professional artists who were interested in furry comics.
The turning point was when the fandom turned to BBS and internet based communication rather than mailing lists, because then it was open to anyone with a modem. Who were they then? Answer: turbogeeks with zero social skills and an autistic obsession for whatever they chose to fetishise. The fact that they were all male and had nobody to fuck except each other then lead to getting jailhouse gay, which then lead to the branding of the fandom as gay and open for all sexual deviancy.
Which is why they tried to smear the Burned Furs as bigots for saying that animal rapists shouldn't be welcome in the fandom or in society at all.
Yeah, I'm a zoophile too.
I started off with ferals in the first place, then I realized you can only look at animal dick for so long until you just gotta admit you want some.
So in short, what you're trying to say is that you preferred it when the furry fandom didn't yet include RP.
>>3628257>FYI, animals consent
A being which does not even understand the question cannot agree or disagree. It cannot consent.
Where the animal has a "simpler notion" of whatever you're requesting simply means the same thing: it is not answering your question because it does not think about it in the terms you're asking for. You're simply tricking it to agree to something by presenting it in a way which is not immediately intolerable.
Actually your statement just proves that Burned Furs were even bigger bigots than initially claimed.
But why are we talking about those losers again?
Oh that's right, because this commie fuckshit >>3627682
is seeing nazis everywhere, and people thought the Raiders have anything to do with the Burned Furs. They don't. Although when you (commie loons) advertise a group as a safe haven for bigots, they might just join, turning it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
RP was originally considered very cringe-worthy and people who did that on the email lists were thought of as loonies.
>>3628267>A being which does not even understand the question cannot agree or disagree. It cannot consent.
So let me get this straight, according to you, pet ownership is slavery, equally morally reprehensible as human slavery, and how the animal feels about it doesn't matter.
>>3628270>So let me get this straight, according to you, pet ownership is slavery
Does not follow from the argument. You're inserting some weird assumptions that you aren't disclosing there.
We've been through this in the other thread.
There's no question to ask. Animals don't ask questions. They use body language for sex.
Let me simplify it so that even a 50 IQ brainlet like you can understand, animals either hump you/let you hump them or don't.
RP only appeals to the worst kinds of people. Losers and autists who are miserable in reality and use it to escape themselves. Shit, just look at the trash that populated second life.>>3628268
Hey retard, I'm the guy who posted >>3627679
. My ID probably keeps changing because of my shitty internet.
If hating animal rapists is what you consider bigotry then I guess I'm a bigot, you Nazi LARPing retard
Can an animal consent to being your pet?
>>3628272>There's no question to ask.
People do. Do you know what it's called when you have sex without asking? A rape.
Animals can be trained to compliance, and this has nothing to do with consent.
Does it need to?
Does an animal need to consent to sex?
If the human person having sex with it doesn't want to commit rape.
Then to answer your question>Does it need to?
If the human person making it his pet doesn't want to indulge in slavery.
>>3628279>If the human person making it his pet doesn't want to indulge in slavery.
Does not follow. You're still begging the question that pet ownership equals slavery by definition, which is not an argument.
As per Encyclopedia Britannica:>slavery, condition in which one human being was owned by another. A slave was considered by law as property, or chattel, and was deprived of most of the rights ordinarily held by free persons.
Substitute "human being" with "animal" and you essentially get pet ownership, right?
There's no point in arguing with someone too retarded and autistic to recognize the difference between humans, animals, and objects.
>>3628282>Substitute "human being" with "animal" and you essentially get pet ownership, right?
You've yet to explain why we should make that definition. You're still making the same non-argument just by changing its form.
May as well admit it too, so yes, I'm a zoophile too, even if I prefer the term feral enjoyer or similar. At least I can say what I openly like here. I've confided to other people and most answers are jokes about myself wanting to rape dogs. Which I don't.
Hominids are a subset of animals.>>3628284
Because by virtually every western legislation, a pet is your legal property, and isn't considered a conscious individual lifeform in terms of law. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is it a duck?
>>3628273>>you Nazi LARPing retard
Where did I even pretend to support National Socialism, dumbass?>>3628275>>People do. Do you know what it's called when you have sex without asking? A rape.
You disproved your own statement. People do. Animals are not people. They don't ask. They sit or don't sit.
>>Animals can be trained to compliance
Wherein the moron talks without knowing what he's talking about. Training animals to do basically anything is hard work, ain't nobody got time for that. Plus you don't even need to. Sex feels good, otherwise animals would go extinct. They just like it. And when they don't, they'll let you know with their teeth.
>>3628287>Where did I even pretend to support National Socialism, dumbass?
Here>>3627689>I'm still a long time Raiders member.
>>3628286>Because by virtually every western legislation, a pet is your legal property, and isn't considered a conscious individual lifeform in terms of law. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is it a duck?
That still doesn't address the point. Animals can be property, but for owning an animal to be slavery you still need to choose to define it so, and you aren't giving any reason to do so.
You're committing an error in the form of "A is B, therefore C is B", where you make the substitution without giving a valid reason why.
>>3628287>You disproved your own statement. People do. Animals are not people. They don't ask.
No, you ask the animal for consent. Not getting it, you rape. Whether you've trained your dog to sit on your dick doesn't make a difference.
>>3628287> And when they don't, they'll let you know with their teeth.
Or they're submitting to avoid conflict as long as what you're doing is not completely intolerable.
How do you know the difference? You don't. You didn't ask - you just rape.
>>3628289>That still doesn't address the point. Animals can be property, but for owning an animal to be slavery you still need to choose to define it so, and you aren't giving any reason to do so.
Individuals don't get to redefine words as they see fit, dear postmodern philistine. Words have meanings. When you murder somebody, you can't just say "oh from my POV I was actually just trying to help, I'm innocent" and expect the world to let that shit slide.>You're committing an error in the form of "A is B, therefore C is B", where you make the substitution without giving a valid reason why.
The exact same substitution that you made when you said that nonconsensual sex with animals is rape (because nonconsensual sex with humans is rape).
>>3628291>Or they're submitting to avoid conflict as long as what you're doing is not completely intolerable.
Guilty until proven innocent? Oh fine, two can play this game. Prove that you're not raping your significant other.
>>3628294>Prove that you're not raping your significant other
Simple, they give verbal affirmative consent.
Lack of an explicit no is not consent, being unable to give informed consent is also not consent which is why it's still rape if a child is groomed into sex and gives verbal consent.
>>3628295> Simple, they give verbal affirmative consent.
Objection, they could've been coerced to give that consent. What proof do you have that they weren't coerced to do so?
Yeah yeah there's also issues with fucked up power dynamics, not being sober and sound of mind, or other means of coercion and manipulation. You could come up with all sorts of reasons why something isn't right. Now apply that standard of consent to adult humans fucking animals. It's always rape.>>3628298
Again, give me one example of bigotry in the burned furs manifesto. Other than one homophobic asshole saying stupid what is there? How about them being racist or antisemitic? Where's the authoritarianism?
How is saying "get your shit together" a Nazi thing?
>>3628300>Yeah yeah there's also issues with fucked up power dynamics, not being sober and sound of mind, or other means of coercion and manipulation. You could come up with all sorts of reasons why something isn't right. Now apply that standard of consent to adult humans fucking animals. It's always rape.
Same thing actually. If you can't prove with absolute certainty that no coercion happened (which you can't), then by the terms of guilty until proven innocent, you can't prove that you're innocent, and therefore you're always a rapist. You sick, sick fuck. How could you?
>>3628298>nazis nazis nazis
Listen, you handicapped freak.
The Burned Furs are foaming at the mouth bigoted sex-hating zoo-hating homophobes, but that doesn't necessarily make them National Socialists (aka Nazis, in case you need a reminder what words mean).
Now if you can prove that they were sieg-heiling skinheads on top of it all, that's okay, but so far you haven't done that.
And my main point of contention was that the Raiders were not Burned Furs, although at this point, it wouldn't be weird if some joined since losers like you basically advertised that group as a home for homophobic sex-negative trash.
>>3628301>Prove a negative
Reality doesn't work that way>>3628302
The only things you've gotten right about the Burned Furs is that they don't like animal abusers and they have nothing to do with the Nazi LARPing Raiders you're so defensive of. The Raiders are a bunch of sex pests and the Burned Furs were against tolerating sex pests, which had fuck all to do with sexual orientation.
>>3628303>Reality doesn't work that way
Then how can a zoophile prove that his dog wants it?
They can't, and even if they could, "wanting it" doesn't make it not rape.
>>3628300>give me one example of bigotry in the burned furs manifesto
Are you really so stupid that you're incapable of drawing conclusions about a group based on their actions and words outside what they officially advertise themselves as? Do you also think the DPRK is actually democratic or a republic? Do you think the Nazis were actually socialists?>>3628302
Go cry about it nazi bitch
What's the point of something being rape or not rape if it's not harming anybody short or long term?
So you don't have a single shred of evidence or a single example of the shit you keep accusing the burned furs of being? Where's one racist thing the burned furs have done?
If they're such horribly bigoted neo-nazis then surely there must even one little example
Being a Raiders member doesn't make me a National Socialist, retard.
The Furry Raiders were never meant to be a political group anyway, Foxler was just a massive edgelord, and it became a safe place to have normal conversations like back in the day without commies screeching at you for every ideological transgression. There were some more extreme people that joined, but most were booted out after Foxler was kicked from Xanadu (before me?) so in retaliation Blumiere, Len and anyone related were also removed from the Raiders. I was allowed to stay cause I was on good terms with Foxler in private. If any legit far right people made it in somehow, most must have been removed back then.
As for me, I was never into the whole left vs right thing, they're both stupid. I only care about libertarian vs authoritarian, and there's only one right answer to that question.>>3628290>>No, you ask the animal for consent.
Holy shit, peak fucking autism. It's like you have a one track mind.
>>3628306>>Go cry about it nazi bitch
I'd be ashamed to be your age and that politically illiterate.
You're literally almost a decade older and you are about as braindead as a zoomer, you could literally go on twitter and your trashy takes would fit right in with the politically inept kids there.
>>3628308>>If they're such horribly bigoted neo-nazis then surely there must even one little example
This coming from the same person who also throws around gratuitous accusations of being nazis.>>The only things you've gotten right about the Burned Furs is that they don't like animal abusers and they have nothing to do with the Nazi LARPing Raiders you're so defensive of.
Not nazis when you agree with them, nazis when you don't.
How does it feel to be this much of a hypocrite?
I like how every time I call you a Nazi, you vociferously deny it while posting obscure images of Nazis in uniforms you have saved on your hard drive, only further proving my point that you are in fact a pathetic Nazi LARPer lol
You're a self-admitted Furry Raider. You collect Nazi fanboy pics like this. Yet you don't even have the balls to just come out and admit what you are. Like a little weakling who wears an SS uniform and then when confronted gives a stuttering excuse like "I-I like it for the f-fashion.." You're a weak little bitch, dude.
I'm talking about the sex pests in YOUR nazi-larp group, and you're still not addressing it despite disavowing it's figureheads. Antifags being sex pests too is irrelevant.>>3628313
Who have I accused of being a Nazi other than your nazi-larp group? You fucking said yourself that the BF have nothing to do with the raiders >>3628268> people thought the Raiders have anything to do with the Burned Furs. They don't.
My real political orientation is libertarian (technically between minarchist and social democrat) but keep telling me how I'm actually a Nazi, you only make yourself and everything you say ridiculous with every extra word you say.
You're a "libertarian" only as far as wanting to be able to diddle dogs while wearing a Waffen SS uniform legally
>>3628315>>You fucking said yourself that the BF have nothing to do with the raiders
I'm happy that you finally understand it, now explain it to this moron >>3628314
>>I'm talking about the sex pests in YOUR nazi-larp group, and you're still not addressing it despite disavowing it's figureheads. Antifags being sex pests too is irrelevant.>modern left being filled to the brim with soy-sipping sexual predators
How convenient that you can sweep the issue under the carpet whenever it suits you.
>>3628317>>You're a "libertarian" only as far as wanting to be able to diddle dogs while wearing a Waffen SS uniform legally
Well, no, I want everyone
to have the right to diddle dogs while wearing a Waffen SS uniform
For fuck's sake I was the first person accused of being a Nazi incel in this fucking thread by >>3628314
Literally the first reply ITT. Chomos and animal rapists both deserve the Ol' Yeller treatment regardless of political beliefs. Leftist tranny antifags and Nazi-larping mutt molesters are both scum.
You still aren't addressing how you and your butt buddies are almost down to a person all sex pests.
My ideology, in one picture. Government get out reee.
I'm also warming up more and more to the idea that taxation is in fact, theft.>>3628320>>animal rapists both deserve the Ol' Yeller treatment
1.) zoo sex is usually not rape, I'm sorry that you are too mentally inferior to understand that possibility
2.) Fuck around and find out, bitch.
I despise the government too, but I'd hate them a little less if they euthanized the retarded. Then we'd at least be rid of people like you.
I have to genuinely thank you.
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And yet the trannies and fatties keep whining about how words are violence and drive people to suicide…
You may be a retarded piece of shit that doesn't deserve to breath, but at least you aren't whining about how mean words should be punished and no politician will use acceptance for dog fucking retards like you as a political wedge issue.
Well, I can't stand those people either.
I told you, conventional ideas about politics don't really apply to me. I don't do the red team bad blue team good thing. I think (and re-think) for myself every single issue and then yell about it as loud as I can, regardless which side gets pissed off about it.
And bestiality isn't even illegal both where I currently live and where I plan to move so I don't really need to do anything.
You're still an animal raping nazi-larper who pals around with chomos. Just because you aren't one specific type of subhuman trash doesn't mean you aren't subhuman trash
as normal i just watch you guys who adore trying to prove yourselves right in an intellectual circle jerk eat your own selves, and grin.
Not trying to change your mind, just saying what made the furry fandom the dumpster fire it is today.>Cool new thing to do
Burned Furs go back to 1998 and the points they were making just keep getting proven more and more correct>If you complain about something that must mean you're secretly into it
This is the sort of cope you see trannies make about how lesbians are secretly envious or thirsty for their girl cock
Well good that you're not trying, cause with that kind of headass attitude you have zero swaying power.
>what made the furry fandom the dumpster fire it is today
Specifically far left politics.
Which in turn created a right-wing response.
As it always happens, because you shitheels make it your life's mission to not learn from history and repeat past mistakes over and over again.(Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?)
>>Burned Furs go back to 1998
Nobody ever cared.
Except butthurt fucking spastics like you.
Don't bring it up again.
>>If you complain about something that must mean you're secretly into it
And yet you ARE awfully preoccupied with transsexuals and child molesters. The lady doth protest too much.
It does make you a walking joke. Why even admit to that shit?
>>3628301>If you can't prove with absolute certainty that no coercion happened (which you can't), then by the terms of guilty until proven innocent, you can't prove that you're innocent, and therefore you're always a rapist.
Except that is not the standard we should be applying to all cases. People are able to give consent, and adult people have the right and the responsibility to take care of themselves, so you're actually demanding that we should always treat people like babies to force the cases to be equal. Again, you're using hidden assumptions to make non-arguments.
Animals cannot give consent, and being granted ownership of an animal puts you into moral responsibility for its happiness, which is why we apply the stricter standard.
Because he's autistic and is too socially retarded to realize that telling people you're a Nazi that wants to fuck animals is dumb.>>3628342
Yet furries will start screeching about what evil bigots the burned furs were and how anyone suggesting that maybe people who prance around in diapers and a pup mask while shitting themselves shouldn't be allowed at conventions are Burned Furs 2.0
This place has always had a stormfag problem (and a dogfucker problem), it's just that after 10 years of it festering it really isn't worth it anymore to keep scrolling by the shit they smear all over the walls day in and day out.
>>3628292>The exact same substitution that you made when you said that nonconsensual sex with animals is rape (because nonconsensual sex with humans is rape).
Non-consensual sex is rape. That's what "rape" means - to engage in intercourse without establishing whether the other party agrees to it. It's only not rape when the "other party" could not be considered a person, such as an object. It is a more general concept, whereas slavery is specific to owning humans.
A more subtle point is that slavery is considered morally wrong because we have rules that say humans cannot be owned. In the case of animals, no such rule exists, so whether or not you wish to call it "slavery" is pulling off another semantic magic trick. Ownership of something is not a moral failing - it is only so in the special case of owning humans, which we have decided to call "slavery" to distinguish it.
Next you'll try to flip that around and say, "then raping an animal isn't wrong because it's not human". Maybe - we could decide just so - but you'd still be a rapist which IS a moral failing when it comes to acting as a human being, and being an animal rapist puts an icing of insanity on top.
It's kinda like asking, "If a psychopath killer lives in a desert island with nobody to murder, is he actually a good person?". In other words, if you're a rapist but happen to like raping things which aren't human, should you be excused? Sociopaths and small children, and also autistic people, tend to make the error of judging morality by outcomes rather than intentions - by what happens rather than what the person is.
It's also been shown that if you shut down a person's right temporal lobe by applying magnetic stimulation to their brains, they also start to think in terms of outcome ethics.
>>3628350>Yet furries will start screeching about what evil bigots the burned furs were
The whole business evolved from the public outrage over the "This Sordid Little Business" email where a person complained about the degeneracy that was happening at cons; about selling and displaying porn in public in front of minors, the rampant use of alcohol and drugs, the flagrant faggotry, etc.
They were observing correctly that the public had started complaining about furries wearing every sort of sexual degeneracy on their sleeves and doing all sorts of loony stuff. They were basically observing the overtake of "furry lifestylers" who had already written a manifesto that re-defined furry as a fandom of the lifestylers (the people) instead of a fandom of furry stuff (comics and art), and who were militantly taking over the cons and pushing others out to make the entire scene their personal fetish party.
The counter-reaction was appropriated by a bunch of self-righteous attention whores who called themselves Burning Furs, who began to act more muslim than muhammad in their attempt to play moral police. They employed the method of the social justice warriors who attempt to raise their own power by exaggerating, over-reacting and riding on other people's problems.
>>3628349>Again, you're using hidden assumptions to make non-arguments.
No I am not you dishonest faggot. There's nothing hidden about my argument. Why should animal fuckers be subjected to guilty until proven innocent if no one else is? Why do you assume that animals (let's narrow it down to dogs and horses) know nothing about sex? How do they have sex with each other? How come that dogs don't rape each other 100% of the time? It's almost like they have some secret code to tell each other when they want to fuck! Crazy, huh?
>>3628354>Sociopaths and small children, and also autistic people, tend to make the error of judging morality by outcomes rather than intentions - by what happens rather than what the person is.
So if a person is harmless, why should anybody be wary of that person? What do you gain from calling such a person immoral, aside from getting an easy scapegoat to blame your shortcomings on?>It's also been shown that if you shut down a person's right temporal lobe by applying magnetic stimulation to their brains, they also start to think in terms of outcome ethics.
Or you can read it the other way around and conclude that magnetic stimulation can cure sheep mentality.
>>3628353>Non-consensual sex is rape. That's what "rape" means - to engage in intercourse without establishing whether the other party agrees to it.
I'm glad that we can agree that you can rape a human and an animal likewise.>It's only not rape when the "other party" could not be considered a person, such as an object.
Is an animal a person or an object?>It is a more general concept, whereas slavery is specific to owning humans.
You complete sophist idiot. Going by the dictionary definition yes, slavery is a HUMAN-HUMAN CONCEPT. Hence pet ownership is ANALOGOUS to slavery. And WHAT is bad about slavery? And HOW is that same bad thing not present in pet ownership?>A more subtle point is that slavery is considered morally wrong because we have rules
AND RAPE IS CONSIDERED MORALLY WRONG BECAUSE OF WHAT ELSE?>but you'd still be a rapist which IS a moral failing when it comes to acting as a human being
What authority decides how a human being should act?>and being an animal rapist puts an icing of insanity on top.
Again, what did the Burned Furs do that was bad, and what were they wrong about? How is making the fandom all about being as much of a degenerate assclown as loudly and publicly as possible a good thing that shouldn't be opposed?
The BF never said there should be nothing adult in the fandom, just to keep it to adult spaces and not turn and fandom into an identity.
The word "degenerate" was literally used in the same manner by the Nazis in response to LGBT individuals, dipshit. You're just repeating fascist propaganda.
Ask yourself why you care so much about depictions of LGBT sexuality, yet you're fine with seeing billboards of heterosexuality plastered everywhere in open view of children and everyone else. Victoria's Secret ads, magazines with bikini babes on them.
Your world view is inherently inconsistent and twisted. You're just a dumbass bigot repeating the propaganda of people who would have shot you between the eyes for visiting this website. Scroll up and look at the ads on this site, idiot.
I'm gay, you retard. I have a problem with gay coomers making the rest of us look bad by association. Do you really think wearing diapers and a leather pup mask is a good representation of of the LGB community?
You're like the "kink belongs at pride" coomers who insist on making a pride parade center around their fucked up exhibitionist kinks and want to flaunt that shit in front of kids.
Ah so you're one of those morons. This may come as news to you, since you've clearly never been to a pride festival, but kids can't just walk into the kink areas. They're already private and always have been. Just like the porn art auction area at furry cons. More importantly and to the point, furry cons aren't meant for children. Nor are pride festivals. Keep your shitty kids at home.
Basically you no-life reactionaries don't get out and actually go to any of the things you complain about. You're just perpetually online weirdos who complain about shit they don't actually know anything about, just like the people you claim to hate.
>>3628398>Never been to pride
I have several times
>Kids in kink areas
The problem is when you fucktards consider the whole fucking event a kink area. THAT'S THE FUCKING ISSUE
How many of these fucking creeps turned out to have been previously convicted of sex crimes against children?
>>Do older furries exist? (30+)
All furries over 30 years old are all dead.
It's a "Logan's Run" type of thing they all agree to.
Someone (not me) needs to do a comprehensive Burned Fur Guide that just lays the entire shebang out and tries to extinguish (lol!!) the Eternal Flame of Victimhood that those clowns touched off so many decades ago.
It was five people at the core: SqueeRat (now of Iron Circus Comics), Eric Blumrich, Stukafox, Hangdog and Ralph Hayes, Jr. There were more but these were the main players.
Of those, all were absolutely bog-standard 90s liberals/libertarians, except for Hayes, who was an old-school fundie. (Hangdog was quite the crank too, basically Hirtes 1.0.)
The fucking thing did not even last a year.
Comparing it to modern altfurry is ludicrous, but people on the net are rewarded endlessly for embellishing whatever things they can get away with, so here we are. Even calling it and other furry snark (sorry, "hate") of the time some kind of sneaky cover for homophobia is an insulting exaggeration, since back in the 90s homophobia consisted of things like still-existing & enforced sodomy laws and people getting dragged to death from pickup trucks. You did not have to cover that shit under hating on furries, you could just walk around with your God Hates Fags signs openly and everyone would fall all over each other defending your right to free speech ~which was the style at the time~.
<<←– pictured: typical burned fur member, reacting to encountering typical altfurry after awakening from suspended animation
The reason SqueeRat (and Blumrich) herded these cats together was one thing and one thing only: Furry was, in the language of today, "cringe", and employers in the comic and animation industries were aware of it and thought of furries as unfashionable cranks and perverts. SqueeRat (and Blumrich) were fine with being thought of as cranks and perverts, (it was the 90s after all) but furry represented a particular flavor of crankitude and perversion that was neither hip nor cool nor commercially viable. They wanted to sanitize the subculture not for their own reasons but because they wanted to get paid for putting their expensive art degrees to use. They thought everyone was going to be on board with the righteous cause of…. them getting published.
Instead of understanding that they were not going to change the subculture no matter what they did, especially not by complaining, they tried to change the subculture by uh, complaining.
All of them are long gone from the subculture now, but a few greymuzzle types have stuck around and have never forgiven what by all accounts was a wet fart. These few people have stayed pissed off much longer than most furries have been alive at this point, so long that they have to basically remake the story and remove it from it's specific 90s internet setting. To get people to care they're forced to contextually transplant it to the modern app hell internet so that what SqueeRat and company did can still be considered bigoted and shocking. It wasn't. It was a flame war. Just like Gamergate was a bad breakup, but don't tell the few sickos online (on BOTH sides) who are actively in the process of taking it to their fucking graves. It's too integral to their identities to ever let go of.
Except! We now have people who weren't even *alive* at the time repeating and further embellishing the Burned-Fur-as-threat-to-the-community bullshit, ensuring that the term will live on indefinitely.
Gamergate was just a bad breakup? Then why are glownigs involved in it? What about Gamejournopros? What about Alec Holowka?
That's how it ended. Not how it started.
You can theorize that a number of glowy figures were waiting for a catalyst to act circa 2014, you can talk about how a knock-down drag-out conflict between PMC (Professional Managerial Class) and Anonymous-derived forces was inevitable, but in the end? Just a bad breakup that was used as an excuse for everyone to go full retard.
>>3627979>There are no National Socialists on this site you fucking newfag, go back to Tumblr. And the chans were a cesspit of edgelordery and offensive shit pretty much since forever (at least 2006, earliest I've been on 4chan) because most of their audience is probably below 21 and/or with zero social skills.
Back in 2006-2010 it was the opposite. I was a 7chan regular on the chat and site and although it was less "free" (lulz was never free either, the owner is a retard technologically) , the userbase was way
more fun than the lulz drama whores, and there was a nice video channel run by a guy named deadbabies (I was CancerHamster). "i am racist and not very bright" was basic channer speak, nobody took it seriously at all. It was literally a joke, then stupid kids started taking it seriously some time after ~2010. My real life fetish was wanting to fuck a black police officer (because an experience I had in the drunk tank, the black cop was the nice one).
Now all the kids take all the jokes literally.
I posted on lolfurries (bunch of druggies into cults and stuff) and it was a great social experiment in anarchy, but unfortunately half of them wrecked their lives and I think the drug abuse wrecked their brains, a few of them are retards now judging by their recent twitters, I looked up to those guys and now sheer disappointment. But none of these people cared back then either and it was kick ass.
Way before that I was on digiartistsdomain, I wrote rape fanfics when I was like 14. I think 2003? Man the art sucked though, the other dudes are right.
There used to be fun people on the internet. All I see now are perma-triggered media slaves and insecure college kids. It wasn't always this way, some people had tact and humor if you knew where to look (no, lulz was never good, you're wasting your lives).
(no wait 2003 is wrong, who cares)
You idiot, it doesn't really matter whether it started or ended with glowies, the point is that glowies were involved at all. That alone should've tipped you off that it wasn't just a "bad breakup". Zoe Quinn has glowie connections herself. Do you remember what happened to Kiwifarms the last time they stepped on a glowie? Clearly you don't fucking understand anything about GG.
>>3628467>My real life fetish was wanting to fuck a black police officer (because an experience I had in the drunk tank, the black cop was the nice one).>Wanting to fuck a pig
>>3628435>Gamergate was a bad breakup
It's not about Literally Who 1's breakup, it's about the coverup, collusion and the sheer disdain that the game journos had for their audience, for the industry and for games in general. The whole "gamers are over" kicked it off more than some trashy ho doing what trashy hoes do.
>>they're forced to contextually transplant it to the modern app hell internet so that what SqueeRat and company did can still be considered bigoted and shocking. It wasn't. It was a flame war.
Yes, I keep in mind that this is the 90s, but the anti-gay anti-sex shit was still bad then and it's bad now. It's just that it took people 10 years to realize that it was bad.
>>3628434>>Someone (not me) needs to do a comprehensive Burned Fur Guide that just lays the entire shebang out and tries to extinguish (lol!!) the Eternal Flame of Victimhood that those clowns touched off so many decades ago.
Can't you see that YOU PEOPLE
are the only ones digging up this dead horse just to give it one more beating. Fucking let it rest, most people nowadays haven't even heard that name, you are fucking drawing attention to this dumb shit just let it go.
>>Comparing it to modern altfurry is ludicrous
Yes, because AltFurry was never serious. AltFurry (coined by my buddy Pooka, ask him what he meant by it if you don't believe me) was "Fuck Political Correctness, Fuck SJW Killjoys" not "White Nationalism for Furries".
The people that tried to make it super serious, Len and Blumiere eventually destroyed AltFurry. I mean Deo & Co still talk about it cause they are butthurt commie losers, but the movement is dead as a doornail.
And yeah I know that many common sense things we may have said are considered "far right" nowadays (oh don't you dare be pro gun and anti 3rd world immigration, that's SuperNazi stuff) because the far left grabbed the Overton Window and ran away with it
and anything one inch to the right of comrade Stalin is basically ww2 baddie ideology.
I'm not saying it wasn't fun, but for me /b/ got old pretty fast, it was just too stupid (and too fast paced) and I moved on to other things. I did return to /tg/ and /v/ for a while later. On lulz I only posted on /share/ and completely ignored the main board, again, cause too much drama, until the big FA hack when I became a full-time regular.
>>There used to be fun people on the internet. All I see now are perma-triggered media slaves and insecure college kids. It wasn't always this way, some people had tact and humor if you knew where to look
So much this. You can't fucking say anything, everyone has a stick up their ass nowadays.
However I reserve most of my disdain for people who should know better
because they were there back in the day, had their head screwed on properly, and yet they have somehow regressed back into eternally triggered tumblrina drama queens.
Not everyone wants to suck dick.
It wasn't /b/, it was the other boards. 7chan made a /fur/ board and started trolling with semi-furry attention whores because all the 4channers were complaining about furries, they didn't care, it was all trolling. I balanced it out by being the resident anti-fur. The most annoying chat members were the actual furries, so fuck that (I was posting my furrystyle dog dildos at the same time, then there were raids on furaffinity). We made Lorf's beastforum account and released it in the chat for everyone to log in at once, super fun times (last seen on ED). deadbabies was actually a super nice person, and there was this gay guy who bottomed for men even though he couldn't orgasm, I miss those people. Most of them weren't pedos but after a year I logged in and Steve got charged for hitting on a 16-17 year old (I think from the chat).
I may be rotting filth but met tons of awesome people this way. 7chan was the only board that was temporarily that good, jewlion made 711chan because 7chan started banning things and it sucked and it was downhill from there (although I liked /an/ and /eh/). We had the MySpace raids where thousands of accounts were leaked on the boards by phishers (some of them had botnets) for fun and everyone had a field day. That shit doesn't happen anymore.
That last sentence: fuck yes, they all caved to social pressure and media manipulation like mind control victims. I was trying to be nice the last 2 years but now you might as well burn your crumbling bridges or they'll take you down with them in compliant seppuku. There isn't even a comparison.
The artist was some Japanese/Korean guy afaik. I lost his Agumon x Gabumon YAOI pic that was the original seed of this gayness. All of this will be forgotten.
Other people have REALLY fucked up situations too. Not a excuse to flip out and throw morality out the window.
Not everyone is getting laid because frankly there isn't anyone worth a fuck.
"Morality", right. Just like communities that used to get gay guys fired from being bus drivers or teachers because their kind of "immoral lifestyle" might influence the kids, lol. Nothing ever changes. It just amazes me that now baby gays are growing up and doing the same shit to trans people that was done to their kind 20 years ago.
>because frankly there isn't anyone worth a fuck.
Right because it’s a given that a child who has a mental illness will always have that condition…
Nobody will fuck you if you have a unfuckable body so get used to loneliness or prepare for suicide.
Are you really not old enough to remember when people used to say homosexuality was a mental illness? It was in the DSM before 1973.
As a gay man you are now perpetuating the same bigotry that would have been used against you only 50 years ago.
What makes Chris Chan a fine specimen?
If he sane why people dont ask him this question, are you doing this gig as a social experiment to teach the younger generations not to be like you or there is more deeper story?
If you as a gay man who KNOWS the hardships marginalized people face in having their voices heard then choose to turn around and shit on other oppressed people you have become a tool of the system.
You're the modern version of a house negro.
quinn has elite connections, but so did her opponents. entire careers and massive paychecks depended on both the for and against sides riling people up. breitbart would have been "that site by that guy who hired james o'keefe and died on the toilet" if it wasn't for gamergate, and alec holowka would likely still be alive.
kiwifarms and everything else that now depends on cryptocurrency (or more "legit" methods of crowdfunding for that matter) can be suspect now, the powers that be can easily and ultra-deniably funnel money in without even the recipient knowing. the recent events there feel like two different factions of insanely suspect people coming into conflict as to what to do next with their open source manchurian candidate.
Everyone would happily transform into someone or even something else if we could but we can’t and accepting that and looking inward is what is needed for spiritual growth!
This guy isn’t trans but he is certainly a unstable weakling trying to convince the world that he is a Badass!
We live online now, 2008-2012 was when enough people started truly living online that the behavior of their online peers and the force of their interactions with them was enough to be able to alter what they considered consensus reality to be. People believe much much more strongly in the online world now. "gender criticals" and the like (note how the vast majority of them are boomers) keep shrieking about "biological reality" when that is completely obsoleted by the fact that reality is what exists in our phones now.
There's nothing that anyone can do about it. None of this is a fad, or going away within our lifetimes, everything about it is way too permanent. The overwhelming majority of the newly-minted trans population are decent people who do not deserve to be hurt more than they already have. Societies and the roles people occupy within them change as the world changes, and in this case some kind of new augmented-reality version of the eunuchs and castrati of old have evolved all over again. Not a personal fault of theirs, just a consequence of the world they live in and the hand they've been dealt.
Yeah it's pretty obvious to anyone looking in that it all started as an ironic joke. That's been a feature of all post-Anonymous political movements of the extremely online. You'd be far from the first person to have been taken for that ride.
>>3628504>Imagine being gay, but so repressed
Um excuse me, he's gayer than me, and I'm as gay as gay gets.
>>in your Christianity you can't even call your obviously gay partner your boyfriend
Hmmm, maybe I'm remembering wrong, but he never struck me as super religious. At least not to the extent that it became a problem. And I wouldn't really call him right wing either, more like disgruntled centrist with a handful of right-wing stances.
Most altfurry were atheists or neopagans anyway, there was some Christfqaggotry going on, but I was always happy to fire from all cannons onto those people every time they opened their dumb mouth about their desert god.
While there are identity clashes in everything that is not left, because you morons have tricked the world into believing that you stand for us (you don't, you throw us under the bus at the first occasion)
and when people take up a different identity just to be not left
they end up teaming up with bigots that you fucking radicalized in the first place (like the transphobic piece of shit in this thread, if only you could have kept yourselves from flooring the gas pedal on social change, people would have been more receptive, revolution creates enemies, slow incremental upgrading of society and ethics doesn't). But you don't get it and I'm wasting my time typing this cause it's not about "getting it", it's about power and winning. And I'm stupid enough to want to be right than to employ the same kind of reality bending and ethical contortionism just to win.
>>3628527>>Being gay is a completely different thing than homosexuality
I think I just read the stupidest thing I've seen so far this year, and it's been one hell of a year.
I meant to say that homos and trannies are completely different. My bad.
I can't see anything related to reshiram without being reminded of this sped. https://youtu.be/lPyhlybViJw
Listen, you could make a much better argument if you focused on the fact that childhood gender dysphoria recedes in 80% of children as they grow up to be simply gay or bi. So basically 4 out of 5 would be trans people are not actually trans. Also kids are not all there in the head at that age. There's a good reason we don't let them drive or drink or smoke or join the army or whatever might be a risky occupation. So you should focus on how we ought to wait in similar fashion when it comes to possibly irreversibly altering their bodies.
Well, instead of yelling about "trannies being unfuckable mental patients".
You get more flies with honey than with vinegar. And it's the ethical thing to do.
Alright, nevermind then.
Anyone with a functioning brain can see that that "trans kids" are just a woke version of Munchausen by proxy. Same with drag kids. Lots of gays see transitioning stereotypically gay kids as a form of forced conversion therapy.
Before tumblr something like 3/4 of FtM trannies were sexually abused as kids so being born a tranny is obviously bullshit.
See, none of this garbage means shit to me. Holy fuck this is old. I'm not even attracted to human males, I switched to "men-having-sex-with-men" as a conscious choice because the prostate orgasms were out of this world and I can't have a normal orgasm without it or it's not worth the effort to get it up. I can't actually get off to a human male without a fursuit head at least, and a woman is no use. I don't want to fuck dogs either, I want to fuck werewolves and be the animal, male or female, doesn't matter. I need something with a dick but it can be a female with a dick if it wants, that was never a real issue if you look deep. I want to reincarnate or transfer my consciousness into the body of a werewolf in a few lifetimes, hopefully with self-owned tech cyborg enhancements (none of this WEF transhumanist tripe), so what the fuck do I care about trannies, that's small-time. I'm going to piss off the christians way more than you ever did, I'm the antichrist now, fuck you, join me, let's make sci-fi reality with pseudo-buddhist science and finally we can all have knots
Yet another example of how exclusive bottoms are all completely fucked in the head.
Also the whole "MSM" thing is for closet fags
don't really understand why anyone would be an exclusive bottom by choice. Sure its fun to be on the bottom, the other guy has to do all the work, you could probably get a reach around if you asked… but you have to clean out every time and really be on top of your game on what you eat. Along with all the other stuff that comes with being a bottom.
Seriously a popcorn movie night is just begging for the next day to suck if you're in a gay relationship. Tiny sharp shards, and no amount of enemas can help you…. and you see that jar of honey roasted peanuts? "no" just "no."
I'm guessing the closest thing to a relationship he has is with something made from silicone. Probably the best someone that blatantly crazy can do as far as relationships with people go is being what some some horny rando on grindr or desperate furfag settles for.
hey those silicone sex dolls are heavy as fuck, every time you go to shower them off is like a police rescue testing session. Those things are just 100% pure dead weight in human form.
You give the guy too much credit, no way he's fit enough to properly service a sex doll.
I was thinking more along the lines of Bad Dragon dildo since he seems so obsessed with dog knots.
>>3628588>don't really understand why anyone would be an exclusive bottom by choice. Sure its fun to be on the bottom, the other guy has to do all the work, you could probably get a reach around if you asked…
I didn't understand why someone would volunteer to be a female in this world either, but here we are
(These guys don't remember the old ads)
Guess trying to revise history to "it was always super fucking homosexual from the very start" wasn't working out so well, so you guys toned it back? Because for a while that's what the claims were.
Sluts and coomers are subhuman trash regardless of sex or sexual orientation. No one loves cumdumpsters.
Wholesome loving monogamy is where it's at.
Experience trumps all. But nice try. How do you even know someone hasn't been fucked or used by someone else before you. You would not be aware just as they wouldnt if they were raped as a toddler or such lots of people get abused on a regular basis even the one time abuse victims. So your pretty much having sex with someone who most likely has allready had it. Your so called wholesome bs is just that B.s. with a side of stupid.
You're literally a meth smoking crackwhore
Try meeting guys who aren't trading money or drugs for blowjobs or letting dozens of strangers blow loads into their ass at bathhouses
38 here. ( Reads thread, all over the plays with the usual low iq insults everywhere and political/religious/self mutilation topics plaguing everything. )
I never went to fur cons, ( none ever near me and have other things more worthy of my money and time no regrets )
I be-friended a few furry artist. All but a few are still drawing. Most would be known I'm sure but I haven't talked to many for years now, and a few left or passed away.
I don't see this as a community anymore. That stopped back in 2011 or so. I noticed far before that "gay community look at me, parades and you must accept out dick sucking bullshit at all times" was the first downfall. Was all straight art, animations before the gays come inn. ( I had no issues with gays until they came into this fandom and started to over take all aspects of it. Went from hot female characters or funny stuff. And turn into how many dicks can a male character take flooding everything )
The true downfall was patreon. Now everyone thinks they have to hide their low quality shit behind paywalls because some popular artist who only makes content for the tiny few who pay the most. Dictate what they do. Basically drones now.
I thankfully learned to draw, animate and 3D model/animate my own stuff. I frankly don't follow the furry community anymore. I still consider myself a furry. But. I only will interact with straight furries and people who do other things besides furry shit 24/7.
Made me remember the furry community as it once was still exist. It's just behind small groups, away from "patreon scuming" and e-celeb nonsense.
This community stopped being a community after and has never recovered. It will soon be taken over my all zoomers and tiktok chinese spyware shit. No doubt will continue down a path of paywalls and circling jerking "exclusive circles" ( aka fag or political dick sucking circles )
I'm fine with it. Let it die through consumerism and "muh special club points" … It was going to happen eventually. I just wish I had changed from it sooner than I did. Having to watch it decay into this joke of fag shit and political hug box infighting and pay-2-win scum tactics. Really proved the interest right. The "furry community" is batshit insane with no effort to be a great hobby.
I made some grammar errors and spelling ie: "Really proved the Internet right" … and such. I don't re-read as no one will give a shit anyway. There you go.
Again do you have proof of this or not. Cause I've told you many times over I don't do meth and haven't since 2019 October also I'm very picky when it comes to my guys I fool around with and no. Bath houses. You are not me so how can you prove it all you can do is take my word for it and honestly if all you had to begin with was my words then your accusations are pure slander I can say whatever I want but in order for you an outsider to be able to quote that as fact you first must get evidence slander is not fact its fiction created by some third party trying to claim better standing so yeah you are being an idiot
It went to shit when it stopped being about being fans of anthropomorphic media (IE actually a fandom) and turned into a circle jerk of attention whores living vicariously through their fursonas. When it stopped being about the media people were fans of to the fake personalities of individuals it went to complete shit.>>3628605
Weren't you just whining about how you have such shitty taste in men that you wound up in an "abusive" relationship with a fellow tweaker?>I don't do meth…I used to do meth
>>3628603>The true downfall was patreon
I never complained about the patreon 'model' for artists, the problem is furries ditched homegrown platforms entirely for mass media like patreon and twitter instead of making their own again (FA shinies were way too late), which puts you 24/7 in the public eye where the insecurity of the <30 crowd creates a permanent nazi youth PR fandom police with mini uncle kages at every comment stop.
Otherwise I'm not sure what it is about a worldwide pandemic that brings out regressive puritans on furry boards whose sole purpose was to share degeneracy.
please killl me… please, im begging you
The skinny human has better arm anatomy!!
You still haven't addressed why damn near every single furry is a sex pest.
gay shit's fine. don't really care. those who complain about how the gays "took over" have been missing two key things for 30 years:
1. as a xenophilic fetish, furries have discovered what most scifi writers kinda already knew from the beginning: once you go past humanity gender distinction starts to fall apart. sadly the two significant irl examples are the pedos and zoos, where they stop caring whether the animal or kid they're after are male or female, or will have a complete flip in sexual preference between their targets and other adult humans.
2. the guys are every bit as non-threatening as the girls. can't deny this. gets by your defenses. talking animal-head people are honestly pretty androgynous too, what with the facial features not mapping 100% and all.
given these two things the majority of furry switching to "any hole is a goal" is inevitable and always was. dwi
okay, why are you
a sex pest?
“No holes barred!”
But gotta disagree! My fantasy life is constantly being ruined by real life assholes who go too far!”
Did they walk into a cloud of farts or something?
>>3628629>1. as a xenophilic fetish, furries have discovered what most scifi writers kinda already knew from the beginning: once you go past humanity gender distinction starts to fall apart. sadly the two significant irl examples are the pedos and zoos, where they stop caring whether the animal or kid they're after are male or female, or will have a complete flip in sexual preference between their targets and other adult humans.
There's a kind of correlation between gender-agnostic sexual preference and the removal of your disgust response. I experienced it personally (the removal, through substances, since I had extreme disgust my whole life prior, worse than anyone here, I spammed it) and there's some neurobiological basis for it because serotonin receptors help implement the disgust response and discrimination. So physical brain health becomes a factor and it doesn't always go the way you naturally expect.
(even the immune system affects it, through sickness behavior, without even talking about the neurosteroids, it adds up together)
>>3627682>The Burned Furs were losers even back in the day, and if you look at who they are you will see that some of them are now Furry Raiders and other Nazi-fur trash. Once a loser, always a loser.
Actually not true. Eric Blumrich, the defacto "leader" of the Burned Furs, turned into a rabid George W Bush hating leftist, putting out cringe worthy anti-Republican and anti-Bush propaganda videos. He went from an in shape 150lb guy with a half decent job to a 300+lb leftist subhuman in about three years after the Burned Furs became moot.
You're probably sort of right. Once you knock down the pearly gates of social (judeochristian) morality to embrace your own gayness, the only thing remaining between you and the other sexualities/fetishes is your own flimsy malleable morality, and personal taste. If society wants to dissociate gays and pedos & etc. on a civilization-spanning level, then they'd need to approve homos on a religious basis.
>>3628539>quinn has elite connections, but so did her opponents. entire careers and massive paychecks depended on both the for and against sides riling people up.
Opponents such as… 4chan?
I haven't even heard of Breitbart until they started writing pizzagate shit and the Breitbart guy got mysteriously suicided. But then again, I'm not a burger.>kiwifarms and everything else that now depends on cryptocurrency (or more "legit" methods of crowdfunding for that matter) can be suspect now, the powers that be can easily and ultra-deniably funnel money in without even the recipient knowing
They literally could do this already before GG. GG changed nothing in this regard.
>>3628584>>I can't actually get off to a human male without a fursuit head at least, and a woman is no use
A million times this.
I have never gotten off to a human. I was a kinky fucker since I hit puberty. I think I tried fapping to women after finding my dad's hidden porn collection, but it just didn't work no matter how hard I tried, just no response from down below. Then I figured out what I really was into.
>>I need something with a dick but it can be a female with a dick if it wants
As long as it's not human and hits certain notes of animalistic beauty (I only like certain species) I don't even care if it's male or female, for me it's really the animal form that does it.
>>I want to reincarnate or transfer my consciousness into the body of a werewolf in a few lifetimes
You can't reincarnate and you can't transfer consciousness. But in the future you may be able to have a full body prosthetic. Ghost in the Shell is coming, it's just a matter of time.
I for one don't mind being human. I don't care, I'm fine with it. But my object of attraction has to be non-human.
>>let's make sci-fi reality with pseudo-buddhist science and finally we can all have knots
I don't even disagree :3
I used to hang with Eric. He liked Nazis and Communists because their authoritarianism was freaky fascinating to him. He hated Bush because I think he understood the world better than I did at the time.
Why people feed the Neocons I will never understand but I bet Eric hates them more than I do.
Before the Internet there was amazing B&W comics quality that makes me embarrassed as a artist.
After Terrie Smith came along porn exploded however at one point even Terrie approached me at a con and asked me not to draw cub porn.
Now people are passing aids at cons.
Does anyone really think Burned Fur didn't have a point?
They didn't have a point because they didn't have the consent of the rest of us to keep porn out. People like porn. It can be our fandom's focus and we don't need to fucking pander to normies, they will find furry uncanny anyway, they will complain anyway, no matter what, so might as well not even pay attention to them.
And don't pretend like they weren't massive homophobic bigots, even for their time.
>>He liked Nazis and Communists because their authoritarianism was freaky fascinating to him
I kinda get that. As much as I hate communism IRL, I have a lot of stuff saved about them, weapons, vehicles, uniforms, music.
Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0WKRSkXFY4
Same with Nazis. The real ones.
Obviously living under any of those systems would be undesirable IRL. But nowadays, you like the wrong thing and you get erased from the public space.
>>He hated Bush because I think he understood the world better than I did at the time
Plenty of reasons to hate Bush. He was most likely a sockpuppet president, at least I don't think he had the intellect to come up on his own with the policies that came after 9/11 (if we are even going to be nice and assume it wasn't shenanigans on some level), he caused two foreign wars, one ended in disaster back then, and one finally ended in disaster this year (although I would argue winning was never the point, the US fights foreign wars to have a army training and weapons testing sandbox, not to win them, it's obvious at this point), he was inept at managing the country and his family is corrupt as fuck.
They never said porn shouldn't exist, just that adult stuff should be kept in adult place and that sex pests shouldn't be tolerated. If you're talking about consent how about not shitting in diapers in public just because it gets you off or fucking in public spaces? Keep the general population out of your gross sex shit that they didn't consent to participate in.
I think you people forget just how recently the majority of western culture stopped being aggressively homophobic. The Burned Furs predate both proposition 22 in 2000 and prop 8 in 2008. Even in a liberal mecca like California the majority voted against equality for no reason other than hating gays. We still had sodomy laws until Lawrence.>>3628701>Now people are passing aids at cons
Wasn't Sibe doing that shit over a decade ago and rightly condemned for it? Now saying that people should disclose their HIV+ status to their sex partners will get you called a bigot. This coming from the same crowd that claims to be all about affirmative and informed consent.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/10/09/knowingly-infecting-others-with-hiv-is-no-longer-a-felony-in-california-advocates-say-it-targeted-sex-workers/
And of course they have to make someone's ballin fetish a part of their HIV testing materials because furry cons are run by sex pests that cater to their fellow coomers.
>>3628704>>just that adult stuff should be kept in adult place
Nah. Not fucking feeling like it. Porn in the front, porn in the back, because fuck you.
>>sex pests shouldn't be tolerated
That's a very subjective term. If it's illegal, just report it to the police and shut up.
>>how recently the majority of western culture stopped being aggressively homophobic
Can you read? I said they were too homophobic even for back in the day.
And no, not most of the people, a minority of the people, the laws just didn't catch up with the common perception as fast because of the legal system's inertia. My parents were never homophobic, and when I came out they supported me, and this was way back in the day. And we're not even city folk, those must have been way more lenient towards the issue.
>>And of course they have to make someone's ballin fetish a part of their HIV testing materials because furry cons are run by sex pests
It's okay to have fetishes and if you disagree or if you don't like it here for any other reason you are welcome to fuck off whenever you want, we're not keeping you here, the door is that way.
>>3628707>Nah. Not fucking feeling like it. Porn in the front, porn in the back, because fuck you.
This is why people hate you>That's a very subjective term. If it's illegal, just report it to the police and shut up.
How about barring convicted sex offenders from attending conventions instead of covering for them?>>how recently the majority of western culture stopped being aggressively homophobic>I said they were too homophobic even for back in the day.
No they weren't. There wasn't any Matthew Shepard shit happening at cons despite all the whining about the burned furs.>And no, not most of the people, a minority of the people, the laws just didn't catch up with the common perception as fast because of the legal system's inertia.
Hey retard, the propositions literally passed because of a majority vote>It's okay to have fetishes and if you disagree or if you don't like it here for any other reason you are welcome to fuck off whenever you want, we're not keeping you here, the door is that way.
How about YOU keep YOUR fetish to yourself and those who chose to engage with you instead of demanding that everyone else participate in it you selfish fuck?
2019 seems a long time to you, but if you anyone has been around a former meth head, its still super obvious even years down the line from their last hit. They just seem to stay in this constantly hyperactive state, and they can't seem to tolerate silence. Just non stop talking.
>>3628704>disclosing hiv+ status is slut shaming
I really don't see how its shaming to the person at all, as much as I love bare backing, I still require both parties to get an STD (or whatever they call it now) test, and share results. I usually only ever get with fellow nerds, so I figure the tests hold up for at least a few months.
Seriously though, if I had any STD or my partner had an STD, its just common curtsy to disclose that info so you could at least use a condom
Calling common human decency bigotry is what selfish coomers like >>3628707
do because they only think about themselves and feel entitled to cooming more than the health or wellbeing of others.
he seems pretty ok to me. I mean if you want to do your fetishs, just do them where other people can't see them. Just logical shit.
If you have a fetish for spreading STD's and you get off from catching people off guard, there is a word for that Rape. If both parties know about it and they're both game… i guess bug catching… but definitely not Rape.
A lot of people have a hard time dealing with this differentiation.
Except he refuses to keep his fetishes to appropriate places with other consenting adults see >>3628707>Nah. Not fucking feeling like it. Porn in the front, porn in the back, because fuck you.
tell this to the guys on twitter who will never shut up about how burned fur was the beta version of all of today's alt-right bigotry and it won't even slow them down
also blumrich is on twitter somewhere last i checked and he looks/acts utterly normal as of like 2 years ago so
I was under the impression stuff like bug spreading HIV was only a bar or two from manslaughter, so comparisons to "oh no fetishes in public" per se are worrying>>3628699>You can't reincarnate and you can't transfer consciousness. But in the future you may be able to have a full body prosthetic. Ghost in the Shell is coming, it's just a matter of time.
I don't normally Jack Bauer things, but for this, any means to an end
Except maybe the wanton human experimentation already happening, needs consent forms.
I need anthro due to thumbs, handpaw fetish and light bdsm. I wondered why I was the only furry with a handpaw fetish instead of footpaw. I figured that out _this year_, for some reason first-person animal perspective is ingrained in my psyche. Maybe toxoplasmosis, maybe not, do I really care why? No.
So I can only do disney-fied ferals with thumbs and sexy voices and this doesn't work in reality, at all, except on drugs.
Sometimes I can't decide between conedicks and knots.
Every iteration of the matrix life becomes exceedingly more complicated.
>Agree to both your points.
I wasn't expecting much. I figured normal insults towards me. ( As a common theme you pointed out, along the same lines. )
Itsallsotiring.png ( I don't have that picture.
all of you people who keep saying you can't get it up to "mainstream" porno: congratulations, you're normal. that shit is souless.
Mainstream hardcore porno actually cater to a very specific fetish: vojeurism and female submission (anal, rough sex etc.).
If you dont enjoy seeing other people fucking then congratulation you are not a vojeur.
Have you seen commercial gay porn? It's fucking horrible. The guys are so off-putting and the way they act and the shit they say makes it anti-porn.
At least it's not as terrible as straight simps throwing money at thots on onlyfans or titty streamers on twitch.
>>3628708>>This is why people hate you
By people you mean a tiny insignificant prudish and borderline homophobic minority (you).
>>How about barring convicted sex offenders from attending conventions instead of covering for them?
People can get put on the sex offender registry for peeing in a bush, it's not that simple. Listen, moron, how about you let the legal system deal out punishments and keep dangerous people away and you go take your collectivist bullcrap and shove it right up your ass, cause nobody fucking cares what you want.
>>No they weren't.
They totally were. Most people didn't outright hate gays, they just thought it's weird but whatever.
>>Hey retard, the propositions literally passed because of a majority vote
Yes, captain obvious, every single law ever passed at some point or another because of a
majority vote, but my point was that laws will always lag behind a bit with people's opinions changing, because of bureaucracy. Laws don't magically change over night as soon as you hit 51% agreement in society. Maybe if you didn't have the IQ of a broom handle you could understand this without me having to explain it twice, cause I already explained this.
>>How about YOU keep YOUR fetish to yourself and those who chose to engage with you instead of demanding that everyone else participate in it you selfish fuck?
Are you fucking stupid? Ne not keeping my fetish to myself is forcing people to participate in it? Retard, close the tab if you don't like it.
And no, I don't think I will keep my fetishes to myself. Fucking make me.
>tranny tripshit ruins an entire thread by whining about nazis or something
just another day on /furi/
>>3628855>People can get put on the sex offender registry for peeing in a bush, it's not that simple.
It is that simple when they've been repeatedly convicted for shit like CP or outright child molestation.>close the tab if you don't like it
We're talking about IRL events like conventions you retarded coomer.
>>3628869>>It is that simple when they've been repeatedly convicted for shit like CP or outright child molestation.
Maybe, just fucking maybe… all of this wouldn't be an issue if minors would be prohibited from attending furry conventions in the fucking first place, because it's not for them, and allowing kids only opens the door to stupid shit like this and people whining entire fucking threads about someone who once sexted a minor or whatever, and that being Dumbfuckistan of course there are legal consequences (most countries in the world DON'T HAVE a sex offender registry because it's unethical to punish people past their jail time or whatever fines they already paid for it)
Furry gatherings are de facto adult oriented gatherings, regardless what it says on paper. If people bring kids to a furry fuckfest, and something bad happens, they've got themselves to blame, because it's not like this is a secret or anything that the fandom is full of horny people with dodgy sex tastes.
>>We're talking about IRL events like conventions you retarded coomer.
What an asspull. No we weren't you comatose spastic, I was talking about the fandom in general (obvious from the context).
Why are you even bothering to reply anyway? It's not like you're convincing anyone on this board with your "old man yells at porn" bullshit, let alone change the minds of millions
of furries. You are literally wasting your time. And you are factually and ethically
wrong (you authoritarian fuck).
You're too retarded to bother arguing with
If you had any arguments, you'd be posting them.
But I dare you to try to argue that banning kids from essentially adult-oriented gatherings would completely solve the problem of a handful of individuals potentially wanting to perv on them. Go ahead. I'm all ears. Give me your galaxy brain take.
People like you are the problem because you'll keep trying to make everything all about getting your rocks off. You'll just keep moving the goal posts and trying to stick your dick into children's spaces.
I'm not going to argue with a bad faith coomer who's the kind of guy who insists he should be allowed to go around shitting their diapers while masturbating in an elementary school playground.
>>3628888>Not allowing minors to attend furcons
I think this would solve a lot of issues and I don't want kids at fur cons anyways.
>>3628898>Drag queen story time for kids: bad idea.
Second this also
why bring nazi ideas into the discussion?
Why bring Nazi's into the discussion at all?
"Degenerates" and "subhumans" is literally Nazi propaganda talk. It's just also become commonplace on imageboards due to the influence of Stormfront on /pol/ and then 4chan as a whole that now no one realizes they're parroting it.
>>3628913>Nazis say "hello", anyone who says "hello" is a Nazi>Nazis are socialists, all socialists are Nazis
Would "pervert" or "deviant" be ok, or is everyone who thinks that adults should keep their dick in their pants around children somehow a "cryptonazi" to you?
Why do you weirdos keep bringing up children where no one was talking about them? It's very simple: If you don't want kids around fetish shit, don't bring your kids where fetish shit is and stop demanding everyone else change to accommodate them.
You people are just the new generation of "Won't somebody PLEASE think about the CHILDREN!?!?"
>>3628917>Nazis say "jews are degenerate and subhuman", anyone who says "degenerate" or "subhuman" is a Nazi
>somehow a "cryptonazi" to you?
I'm always tickled pink when "conservatives" show their true colors
Why do you weirdos keep insisting that everything even tangentially related to what gets you off should exist solely to satisfy your fetish? You coomers act like kids should be barred from watching Zootopia just because you beat off to it and therefore it's for adults only.
No one said anything about Zootopia or kid's shows, schizo. You're making up people to be mad at. Go take your meds.
I think your logic is flawed. Seems more like you grasping any straw you can fathom to label people as Nazis because that's the in thing right now.
Would that color happen to be pink? I love pink
That's not what were saying at all. Kids can totally be fans of kids stuff..
We just don't want kids at or around our sex parties. I don't think that's too much to ask.
The problem is your insistence that everything furry is or should be a sex party
I'm not labeling anyone. Just stating facts.
If you espouse nazi ideals you are a nazi.
Like "don't molest children"?
Go back and check the bitchute link I posted and stop being a horrendous faggot. Ignoring the link or video only makes you an idiot thinking you know what the real history is because you were brainwashed at a young age. This is what you call being in denial. Either go watch it or give it a rest cause nothing you say makes any real sense just the opposite.
Go wash your crotch with muriatic acid, you godforsaken troglodyte.
>>3628945>everyone i don't like is a child molester
*yawn*>>3628948>Go back and check the bitchute link I posted
you've posted no bitch ute links here
>>3628948>Cobalt Blaze>posts The Greatest Story Never Told
So you've just gone full white trash Neo-Nazi, huh? I guess that tracks. People like you need to cling to something.
Go back to >>3628879
you dumb ignoramus. See your totally wrong and in denial because you dont like the idea of me being right. And thats what makes you a coward. So be ignorant be retarded cause until you accept that you need to see all information before you say anything thats all you will ever be.
Only you are saying that all I'm doing is enlightening you on the truth. Reason history changes because of the winner is due in part to the fact that their lies will come crumbling down when the rest of the world sees it for what it is a lie. The holocaust was faked and fyi I have Jewish family and they do agree check out the facts hitlers army had Jewish soldiers and more in their ranks also denying the facts only makes you what you claim everyone else to be a liar and a fool thinking you know shit.
Is that all you can do when proven wrong Name call because you have nothing else to add. Well good for you now go be a good little coward and go off yourself
>>3628952>Go back to another thread
nah, I'm good
but please keep thinking nazis will love a fuckup like you
Why don't you come and kill me yourself, faggot? You already threatened to do so years ago. You're a pussy little bitch boi.
Says the person who couldnt even come to my own door when I even gave my legit address and even then you couldnt get that right. Honestly I don't trust that you would ever have the balls and besides all someone has to do is wait for you to leave your house and then drive you off a road. I mean come on are you really so stupid as to believe that I would ever trust you to back up your words. You are a coward that hides behind the internet.
>>3628953>I'm not the idiot, I learned about REAL history from this Neo-Nazi propaganda I found on the internet video sit for cranks and conspiracy theories!
This is honestly kind of hilarious
And this is why you are an ignorant chode dude either admit it or not doesnt change the facts that you are ignorant of your own history. I have a sixth sense when it comes to people lying to me I can smell a lie a mile away. Not going to learn something because you claim to know facts only makes you a bigger idiot not the other way around true facts come from putting aside your differences and taking time to actually learn but I dont expect you to realize this since you are nothing but a coward. Too afraid to challenge the world and are of the type to be easily coerced into doing as others tell you if it means keeping your job. Guess who's not going to survive! You you cant even see that you will be next after your so called hated people you are equally not wanted by the 1% and since you cant see it next stage for your kind is fear
Cept denying is and refusing to check it out is why you remain ignorant. If a tree falls in a forest and no ones around does it still make a sound. I mean like come on did you ever stop and think for yourself or do you just listen to whatever your elders tell you. U mean would you jump off a bridge if they told you to? I mean come on you moron take step back or when the time comes people like me will be your downfall. I'm just biding my time till I feel the time is right to step out of the shadows I allready have a bulletproof helmet if I so felt like it I could go and get myself bulletproof armour. And none of that flimsy shit cops wear either. I'm talking full iron body suit I can move like a juggernaut and take out many foes with such a thing cause common man dont have the right technology to break through let alone the smarts to deal with a true iron man
>>3628961>I can smell a lie a mile away.
that's your upper lip
So you gonna man the fuck up or keep hiding behind the internet like a coward? Be a man or die a coward. Its not like I have to save your ass when shit gets real and that's a real life lesson for you I dont have to raise a finger towards you for I know you better than you know yourself.
You're the one that always threatens violence. You're the one who has Internet Tough Guy syndrome.
The fact that every other post you make threatens violence truly reflects on your character.
May God have mercy on your soul.
Iron man suit? Wut?
Ok, this is verging on troll territory. Is this Steam pretending to be Cobalt or something?
An iron body suit is nothing more than metal you dingus stop acting like it means advanced tony stark level shit. We have an abundance of iron on this planet so if tanks can repel bullets being made with that iron its safe to assume going back to basics in medieval level iron suits is just as effective.
And whose fault is it for starting that? You and a bunch of others stop acting like you don't deserve it. You niave little shit. You say and do things and act like you did nothing wrong then shit on me for shoving it back into your face either grow up and admit that this is of your own doing or keep acting all innocent maybe you god will tell you when your dead how much of a fool you were. And id be happy to send you to him and even if its not me its someone else. I'm probably the only one man enough to stand up and fight unlike you a coward who falls for lies and corrupt behavior in order to survive you are as bad as the immigrants that refuse to group together to fight their coutries but instead flee to others and bring their problems with them. Let me spell that out for you since you don't get it.
Y O U. A R E. A. C O W A R D. DENIAL WILL GET YOU NOWHERE
I literally cannot / wont read this mess
You are, without a doubt, the angriest cocksucker this board has ever seen.
And this is exactly why you are stupid. Take some damn responsibility for your choices and actions Or don't complain. You cant have it both ways you retar d and yes you have given me no other reasoning to why I should treat you with respect in fact your actions towards me simply show that you don't deserve it. If you really wanted respect you would admit to your actions not hide behind the internet or do you not understand the facts behind psychology that means people will react and you cant fault them for it but you on the other hand denying having your hand in the cookie jar is why we are here in the first place you are the root of this problem not me and denying it is pointless you have more holes in your logic than swiss cheese. Either get with reality or get lost pleb
You're peddling Holocaust conspiracy shit and threatening anonymous people on an imageboard that you will never meet. Like holy shit take a step back and re-evaluate your incredibly pathetic life right now.
Oh don't act like people dont have any right to be angry or have no rights to threaten another specially when you deny accountability I cant be held accountable if you can prevent it by not being such an insufferable asshole thats the real world for you. Specially if my actions are justified. You treat someone like shit long enough they then have every right to kill you and get away with it under the facts which is did you abuse the person or likewise other things if you did then you have no reason nor the right to complain about what that person does to you in fact you could just be thankful of they don't take your life and make you live with the shit you do or continue to do its called consequence. And it sounds to me like you don't understand what this all means because you just wanna act like a cunt and assume no one can do shit about it. You are the epitome of naivety
Short response … Take your own damn advice before you go preaching
Cobalt wont because he is a teeny weenie Chihuahua man who's all bark and no bite! He was run out of the scrap hauling business because he was too much of a pussy to stand up to the bigger and badder men who had been in the profession much longer than weenie baby Cobalt. They could also afford to buy trucks and vans, unlike Cobalt who would bring his Radio Flyer wagon along to grab a few odds and ends that were left over after all the regulars took almost everything of value.
At the first sign of trouble Cobalt will run to the Police begging for protection!
Nice try hamilton is over run I moved out of town and started bringing in tons of money but thanks to my ex I lost everything but keep dreaming the only delusional one is you ive told you numerous times why I am out of the game but since you wanna make up your own stories to feel better only goes to show that hey I made more easy money than you ever could in a year and that makes you jealous so you fabricate another story to deny it because the alternative bothers you. Give it up or get fucked loser
LOL, you chose to be in a relationship with a tweaker. Did you meet each other while stealing copper to sell for scrap to buy meth with?
If that's all you take away from that then you really are a lost cause. You lack critical thinking I'm surprised you even got through school. Thinking like that is why you are a moron you think that theres only one answer and it makes you blind to the real world. Go back to school you pleb.
does that mcdonalds have free wifi? they are mooching as fuk
I think the best things about not being Cobalt Blaze, is having all my teeth and not having a dick thats permanently stained with HIV+ shit.
Fursonas are okay but the sex pests definitely need to go. So do the feminazis, commies, fags and troons.
37 here. The fandom used to just be about spanking it to hot anthro babes. Now It's become too political and is infested with idpol bullshit. We really should have had a gatekeepers at the beginning to keep the riffraff out.
Politics doesn't belong in this fandom. And I want to be clear that I'm not saying kick out all the women, gays or transpeople. Just those man-bashing feminist cunts, those annoying pride flag waving assholes and those stupid trannies who think they're entitled to special treatment just because they are trans.
Fursonas are wish fulfillment trash for autistic attention whores that have shit lives and are shit people in reality.
>>3629159>politics doesn't belong in this fandom!>feminists, flag-waving queers and trannies!
I'm glad people like you no longer feel welcome
Them being gay or trans isnt the problem though.
It's when these people bring identity politics into the fandom and act is if they are some oppressed marginalized political group within the fandom when the furry Fandom has been primarily sexual deviants from the get go.
I don't get off on making people feel unwelcome. I don't think he does either. It's fine to be different but what you go out your way to act supiour because of your differences … Yeah its kind of annoying and I totally get where he's coming from.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with being trans or gay or bi but this doesn't mean you should out down people who are cis and or straight. And I've seen a lot of that from the LGBTQQIP2SAA community.
There is a whole fucking lot that's wrong with being trans. Being completely deranged is a prerequisite for being trans
>>3629170>this doesn't mean you should out down people who are cis and or straight. And I've seen a lot of that from the LGBTQQIP2SAA community.
Uh huh. Ironically you people are the biggest crybaby bitch snowflakes there are. "WAH I'M BEING OPPRSESSED because I'm a cis white hetereo male!"
Holy shit, get over yourselves. Softest fucking bitch-made people on the planet, dude.
Yeah I'm not cis… Or hetero. But I will go to bat for that them.
And yeah when you put people down who are and make them feel unwelcome huhh yeah they're gonna start to say something about it.
It's funny and kind of sad you can't think of any insults on your own without borrowing from the right.
For a second I thought you might be 3B, that's a classic 3B-STYLE meme.
>>3629185>unknowingly posting reaction images from gay furry porn
yeah, that's classic threeb.
sophistry is clearly a real down home homosexual
I use right wing insults to illustrate the hypocrisy of diminishing the suffering of others while being completely bitch-made whiners yourselves. You would mentally crumple like a fucking tissue if you had to live one day as a trans person and I say this as a cis dude myself.
No one faces difficulty because they’re straight or cis.
is that the woke term for people that have a dedicated folder of trans hate?
I can't keep up with kids these days
You do it because you cant think of any jokes on your own. And yeah… I'd imagine living my life trying to push a false reality on my body and everyone else around me at the cost of my testosterone and sex drive would be pretty mentally draining.
That's why I'm comfortable being gender fluid. >>3629192
So you've shown that pedophiles exist on either side of the spectrum. Way to go.
You see the difference though is people on the right try to get their pedophiles arrested while left encourages them to read them to read stories to small children.
You have proven nothing.y
>>3629193>You see the difference though is people on the right try to get their pedophiles arrested
priest pedophile scandals belie your absurd claim
I'm not a priest or pedophile. So I wouldn't know.
weird, church officials said the same thing
You just sacrifice them, then?
Nah, that's what the Cafeteria in Congress is for.
>>3628941>everything furry is or should be a sex party
It de-facto is. Porn in furry is the norm, SFW is a minority.
Burned furs wanted the porn out, they got laughed at. People have the fandom they deserve.
Two groups. One would support the pedo if found out "children are sexual too! Stop pedophilophobia !", the other group would probably lync the pedo.
I know what group I'd prefer to take care of my kid.
>>3628855>Most people didn't outright hate gays, they just thought it's weird but whatever.
Many people besides the Burned Furs picked on gays - faggots to be specific - because some of the most prominent con organizers had an outspoken gay agenda and were using the cons as an excuse to solicit for young twink ass and fuck around like they were still in college - in their 30's and 40's.
The big problem was the whole "big umbrella theory" where weird people were trying to excuse themselves being offensive by arguing that in the furry fandom you're not allowed to criticize anyone. Anyone. Period. They created the myth of furry persecution etc. to argue stones in glass houses and all that: they figured if they -deliberately- brand furry into an obnoxious fetish party for weirdos, nobody who identifies as a furry would out them to public because it would be mutually assured humiliation. Of course, that didn't account for the rise of the chan culture which started digging up shit and laughing at furries anyways while they tried to explain the faggotry away.
>>3628379> Hence pet ownership is ANALOGOUS to slavery.
Shifting the goalposts.
>And HOW is that same bad thing not present in pet ownership?
Because the bad thing is specifically claiming ownership of humans, which doesn't apply when the case is about animals.
>AND RAPE IS CONSIDERED MORALLY WRONG BECAUSE OF WHAT ELSE?
Rules and laws follow morality, they are the expression of human morality, not the other way around. You can't ignore social rules by saying they're only rules.
>What authority decides how a human being should act?
Other human beings. Of course, you can argue that the declaration of human rights doesn't apply; see how far you get with that.
Targeting your sexual behavior towards non-human beings means your brain is seriously broken. Getting confused about which sex or age group you're supposed to fuck is already showing issues; getting confused about the entire species is a symptom of something worse.
>>3628379>Is an animal a person or an object?
Which way would you like to argue the point? In order to excuse rape by claiming "object", you can't call hypocrisy over eating or owning animals like you have, because it would constitute an argument out of bad faith: using arguments which you yourself believe to be false.
In order to propose that animals can consent, like you do, you must believe that animals are "persons". Therefore rape must apply in the cases where they provably can't. Remember the false belief test on dogs?
In fact, I think you're a prime example of how a person with zoophilia is broken in the brain and cannot carry a rational thought without tripping over self-contradictions.
Also notice that whether we define an animal as a person or an object is moot for the case of owning, killing and eating it, since there's nothing special about being a person.
The reason why we make a special case about HUMAN persons is because doing otherwise would be saying: "You can own, kill and eat me.". WE would rationally AND instinctively prefer not to be killed and eaten arbitrarily, or enslaved, raped, violated, get robbed… etc. which is why we extend the courtesy towards other in society and expect them to return it in kind. This is the fundamentals of morality.
Animals, while they could be persons, are not humans so we have no intrinsic reason to extend all the rules on them. Some of the rules however reveal the character of the person breaking it. The fact that you rape an animal shows that you don't care about sexual consent, or that you're so broken in the brain to think that you have it anyways whenever it suits your primal interests. Such a person is a problem in the human context as well, because they are not rational or reasonable - they're insane.
the idea that owning a dog is akin to slavery is stupid, if anything its like reverse slavery.
I have to always plan to let my dog out at least 3 times a day, bring him to the park, drive everywhere with him and let him stick his head out the window, put up with every drive through constantly having workers be like "omg what a handsom boy" when all I want is just a silent cheese burger.
Plus theres all the poop you have to pick up, bringing them on walks every day, the park, barking at nothing, staring at you constantly when you're just trying to masturbate and forever feeling the constant dog observation on the back of your head.
Really the humans are the slaves in the whole relationship.
>>3629224>Shifting the goalposts.
This nigga's autism is fascinating.>Because the bad thing is specifically claiming ownership of humans, which doesn't apply when the case is about animals.
And WHAT was so bad about owning other humans that it led to it being banned? Think, imbecile.>Rules and laws follow morality, they are the expression of human morality, not the other way around.
RUNTIME ERROR: VARIABLE 'MORALITY' ALREADY DEFINED IN >>3628353
The rest of your argument doesn't matter past this point, bye.
https://outline.com/AqtgHW>tranny rapes 9th grade schoolgirl in school girl's restroom>Tranny apologist administrators try to cover it up>Tranny rapes ANOTHER girl in a different school despite school administration claiming he wasn't a threat because he was supposedly under house arrest>The only person the county district attorney wants to put in jail is the first victim's dad because he spoke out about it
Don't you tranny apologists keep saying that this sort of thing never happens and we're all just a bunch of bigots?>>3629229>Animal rapist trying to define morality
>>3629231>Animal rapist trying to define morality
Even better, the "anti-animal rapist" contradicted his own definition of morality with the opposite definition of morality.
>>3629229>And WHAT was so bad about owning other humans that it led to it being banned?
It was rather the other way around: slavery was excused in the past by the slaves being somehow "less than human", or in general "not us". Enslaving your own people has always been considered bad for obvious reasons.
>RUNTIME ERROR: VARIABLE 'MORALITY' ALREADY DEFINED IN
Morality itself is not defined by observing specific rules arising out of human morality. You're simply spouting nonsense and thinking you're making arguments.
>>3629232>contradicted his own definition of morality with the opposite definition of morality.
Show me how I did that.
>>3629236>slavery is considered morally wrong because we have rules>Rules and laws follow morality, they are the expression of human morality, not the other way around
That is not a contradiction.
The rules arising out of morality say slavery is wrong, therefore slavery is morally wrong. You're just too eager to prove me wrong that you can't even think about what is being said.
You're making a mis-presentation and a false argument. I never claimed "because of rules" in general, but because of particular rules that apply to the case in question.
>>3629240>In the case of animals, no such rule exists, so whether or not you wish to call it "slavery" is pulling off another semantic magic trick. Ownership of something is not a moral failing - it is only so in the special case of owning humans, which we have decided to call "slavery" to distinguish it.
So allegedly the reason pet ownership isn't comparable to slavery is because the act of slavery is defined as immoral by a rule, and pet ownership isn't, therefore morality is subject to rulemaking and…
No, you're still building strawmen, or you simply don't understand the argument.
I merely observed that we have rules by which ownership of humans is wrong, therefore slavery is considered morally wrong. That these rules are moral rules was implicit - not mentioned - and morality itself was not defined at this point. Later I extended that human morality arises out of our instinctive and rational self-interest as a biological species and as thinking beings.
None of that is contradictory.
>>3629242>we have rules by which ownership of humans is wrong, therefore slavery is considered morally wrong
How did these rules come to be? Why do they exist?
Don't bother trying to argue with animal rapists. Their brains aren't functional and just like pedophiles they'll come up with all sorts of justifications for abusing their victims.
Arguing that there's anything instinctive about prohibiting slavery doesn't work since slavery was legal and even encouraged for the majority of existence of recorded civilization.
Arguing that there's self-interest involved in prohibiting slavery doesn't work since slavery is inherently beneficial to the slaver - a disposable worker with no rights that must do everything you want lifts a lot of effort from one's shoulders.>The fact that you rape an animal shows that you don't care about sexual consent, or that you're so broken in the brain to think that you have it anyways whenever it suits your primal interests
This is a loaded argument presuming that I rape animals, presuming that I only have sex with animals whenever I want it without regards to the animal's reciprocity with the act, further assuming that animals are incapable of getting horny, don't have mating rituals, and aren't willing to display those mating rituals around humans.>>3629246
And here comes the dehumanization brigade. I bet you'll complain about fascists in the next topic as well.
>>3629249>Arguing that there's anything instinctive about prohibiting slavery doesn't work since slavery was legal
I already answered that point in >>3629235
>This is a loaded argument presuming that I rape animals
You do rape animals. It was already established that at least those animals that YOU rape (dogs) cannot consent to a human because they lack the mental faculties.
>the animal's reciprocity with the act, further assuming that animals are incapable of getting horny, don't have mating rituals, and aren't willing to display those mating rituals around humans.
>>3629249>Arguing that there's self-interest involved in prohibiting slavery doesn't work since slavery is inherently beneficial to the slaver
Of course there is self-interest - the point is that slavery has never been morally right or even neutral. Even those who enslaved would have preferred themselves not to be enslaved as a rule.
Also remember that something being legal as a practice does not make it morally right or wrong.
How is pet ownership different from your example, since pets are "less than human"?>It was already established that at least those animals that YOU rape (dogs) cannot consent to a human because they lack the mental faculties.
They lack mental faculties to comprehend pleasure or pain? They lack mental faculties to signal interest? Objectively false.
How do they not rape each other?>Irrelevant excuses.
They are very relevant, you just can't argue against them.>the point is that slavery has never been morally right or even neutral.
Visit a roman citizen from two millenia ago and they'd tell you otherwise.>Even those who enslaved would have preferred themselves not to be enslaved as a rule.
This is trivially easy to circumvent in any class- or even nation-based society - one won't see himself a potential slave because his class isn't eligible for slavery (or only foreign "not us" are eligible for slavery).>Also remember that something being legal as a practice does not make it morally right or wrong.
See three quotes above.
>>3629249>Animal rapist whining about "dehumanization">"Humans are animals so therefore it's okay to fuck other animals">"Animals are just as capable of consent as humans are so it's ok to fuck them"
Oh so now you think there's a significant difference between humans and animals
What is this post even?>"Animals are just as capable of consent as humans are so it's ok to fuck them"
Do you have a better reason not to?
>>3629253>How is pet ownership different from your example, since pets are "less than human"?
It isn't. That's the point. There is no moral problem with owning animals. That isn't to say other rules don't apply to limit how you treat your pets.
>They lack mental faculties to comprehend pleasure or pain?
They lack the mental faculties to infer your motives and thoughts, so it's only too easy for you to trick and groom them into doing all sorts of things - even without realizing it yourself because you think they're actually saying "yes" to everything you do.
>How do they not rape each other?
Whether they do is not a concern for human morality. It's completely pointless to condemn a dog as if it were a human.
>They are very relevant, you just can't argue against them.
No, they're not. The dog still can't consent to have sex with a human, whether or not it is sufficiently confused and groomed to have sex with you.
>further assuming that animals are incapable of getting horny, don't have mating rituals, and aren't willing to display those mating rituals around humans.
Displaying their sexuality does NOT mean you're invited or morally permitted to join. That is a complete non-sequitur.
>Visit a roman citizen from two millenia ago and they'd tell you otherwise.
I think not. You bring out class and nation: that is the same excuse, "not us". Slavery is permitted as long as there exists a social division that prevents the slave owners themselves being taken as slaves. When the social barriers go away, whoops, self-interest makes slavery go away.
>See three quotes above.
What is legal is a whole different topic of what social rules arise out of morality. What is moral does not follow from what is legal, and what is legal does not necessarily have to have anything to do with what is moral. At best we would hope the two things overlap.
The point is that an animal fucker arguing about how it's ok to fuck animals has no right to complain about being "dehumanized" for fucking animals if his whole argument is that there's no difference between fucking animals or fucking adult humans
It does get to the point where I just need to separate from freaks all together. Screeching from subhumans demanding they be literally worshiped while I live a life of hard work.
Can I just have a little fun without controversy or corruption?
In my younger years people paid a price for going to far and it was called HIV. However there was still giants who shaped culture with a lot of hard work!
People are not going to take this shit much longer.
>even without realizing it yourself
A zoophile may argue, "Oh I never do anything the dog doesn't agree to", but this may only mean they'll push the limit until the animal just accepts it and submits.
Eventually they learn that showing teeth won't make the man stop trying to diddle their fortune cookie, which is interpreted as "Ohhh she's consenting!".
I didn't count on my opponent in this debate being this autistic but I'll persevere.
Words can have multiple meanings and implications. To dehumanize somebody in the sense of slavery (which we debated for a dozen posts over retarded, useless semantics), means to take a human and strip him of his rights, debasing him to the same social level an animal holds. I am human. I have human rights. Nothing about fucking an animal implicates that I want to be the animal (beyond the level to which humans are animals, anyway), or that I want to give away my rights, quite the opposite. Maybe I simply like dicking animals and see nothing wrong with commiting the act (provided the appropriate precautions are made so both parties are fine with it), without any further power dynamics bullshit attached.>>3629260
This is a baseless assumption that exists only in your head.
It's this sort of shit that makes me hate getting lumped into the "LGBT community" just for because I'm gay. It's also the reason why I don't associate with anything furry IRL. Bad enough to be lumped in with one group of coomers that make how they get off the entirety of their personality and identity.>>3629260
There's also the issue with animal rapists labelling any behavior as consent, deluding themselves into seeing consent where it doesn't exist, or just outright lying about giving a fuck about consent. It's the exact same sort of behavior and mentality as child molesters.
>>3629257>It isn't. That's the point.
That's the OPPOSITE OF YOUR POINT, you jogger. YOU argued that they're not equivalent. Fuck off.>They lack the mental faculties to infer your motives and thoughts, so it's only too easy for you to trick and groom them into doing all sorts of things
And you can do all of the above with a sufficiently naive human, perfectly legally and perfectly morally. And nothing about the above implies that those motives are malicious. Just because I own a knife and am capable with it doesn't mean I'm a murderer.>Whether they do is not a concern for human morality. It's completely pointless to condemn a dog as if it were a human.
It is a concern, else I wouldn't bring it up you absolute fuckwad. If a dog can fuck a dog without raping the dog, how come a human can't fuck a dog without raping the dog in the same scenario?>No, they're not. The dog still can't consent to have sex with a human, whether or not it is sufficiently confused and groomed to have sex with you.
"Confused and groomed", ah yes reminds me of communism, everyone against it is obviously insane! How could it be any other way?>Displaying their sexuality does NOT mean you're invited or morally permitted to join. That is a complete non-sequitur.
Such showcases are almost invariably shown to precede mating in nature. If ignored, they might be repeated in a more blatant manner. I'm too tired to explain it to your obstinate ass at the moment, so you'll have to do with that food for thought.
And what if perhaps they're the ones joining? Is the dog raping itself? Are you raping the dog by the dog fucking you?>I think not. You bring out class and nation: that is the same excuse, "not us". Slavery is permitted as long as there exists a social division that prevents the slave owners themselves being taken as slaves. When the social barriers go away, whoops, self-interest makes slavery go away.
Those social barriers will exist for as long as there is more than one human on the planet. True classless communism is a farce and will never exist. Politicians vs the people. Boom.
From what does what is moral follow? Don't answer people because that's a bullshit answer, those people themselves make the choice on something else. Tradition? Science? From what do changes to what is moral follow?
I feel lucky to have a few friends to speak to but the majority of my life I have been surrounded by narcissistic scum. In my Jesus based religion I have been around scum! I see a lot of these communities that look a hundred times worse!
Best wishes to you!
>>3629264>That's the OPPOSITE OF YOUR POINT, you jogger. YOU argued that they're not equivalent. Fuck off.
>And you can do all of the above with a sufficiently naive human, perfectly legally and perfectly morally.
Actually, that would be called statutory rape and in the law it usually it applies to children and the mentally handicapped, and sometimes other people who are in no capacity to consent. It is far from acceptable.
>If a dog can fuck a dog without raping the dog, how come a human can't fuck a dog without raping the dog in the same scenario?
Because we are not judging dogs by human standards, because they're dogs, not humans. Would you also complain that a rock is being rude to you by not answering, or that a bird is not obeying minimum aviation flight altitude rules?
>How could it be any other way?
A dog that decides to have sex with humans is as broken as a human who feels the need to have sex with dogs. With the caveat of the typical male dog humping everything out of reflex - but is that consent or being compelled to? It still does not make an invitation or a moral license for YOU to join in.
>Such showcases are almost invariably shown to precede mating in nature. If ignored, they might be repeated in a more blatant manner.
See above. Still not a valid excuse in terms of consent and rape.
>And what if perhaps they're the ones joining? Is the dog raping itself? Are you raping the dog by the dog fucking you?
No, you're still raping the dog. Making use of something which doesn't know better is still rape.
>Those social barriers will exist for as long as there is more than one human on the planet.
A different argument entirely. Don't shift the goalposts.
>Don't answer people because that's a bullshit answer,
Poisoning the well much? There is nothing but people who can define morality. Leaves blowing in the wind don't care where they're going or how.
>those people themselves make the choice on something else. Tradition? Science? From what do changes to what is moral follow?
Morality is subject to social evolution. It is contextual to the mode of the society, but also has major components in the biological facts of humanity and basic survival.
>There is nothing but people who can define morality.
Well, of course dogs could define morality for dogs, if they had the mental capacity to think about the matter. They might then try to apply it to humans, and condemn you for shaking hands instead of sniffing butts.
Don't bother trying to argue rationally with the dog molester. His brain is irreparably broken.
Just insult and/or ignore.
>>3629266>Where? How?>>3628289>Actually, that would be called statutory rape and
Bedding somebody promising them fame and riches and fleeing the scene afterwards, or telling somebody that you enjoyed their public speech while you just really want to fuck their pussy is not "statuory rape". One'd call it dishonest though. You could also earnestly say that you want to fuck their pussy to somebody who'd easily fall for the above tactics otherwise, and that's not "statuory rape" either.>Would you also complain that a rock is being rude to you by not answering, or that a bird is not obeying minimum aviation flight altitude rules?
Most people in general blast rocks they don't like, and kill birds that get in their way. Regardless of bird and rock standards, they're judged by most human standards as undesirable.>A dog that decides to have sex with humans is as broken as a human who feels the need to have sex with dogs.
See, the crux of your argument here lies on you considering everyone who steps out of your line "broken" somehow. You can't possibly fathom others having different interests from yours without seeing them as damaged and inferior. And to that I can only add, +n+.>With the caveat of the typical male dog humping everything out of reflex
First prove that this behavior is a reflex.>but is that consent or being compelled to?
Isn't literally all sex compelled by a physiological need?>It still does not make an invitation or a moral license for YOU to join in.
But jerk off a dog for insemination, and suddenly it's perfectly fine to molest one!
Reality called: You don't get a moral license to handle animals in the first place. Closest thing to a license is the animal trusting you as a defacto pack leader.>No, you're still raping the dog. Making use of something which doesn't know better is still rape.
Doesn't know better? "It" knows what sex is, "it" is a dog. Dogs know what fucking is, else they couldn't fuck.>Poisoning the well much? There is nothing but people who can define morality. Leaves blowing in the wind don't care where they're going or how.
And those people defined that morality over something more than randomly smoking peyote, imbecile.>Morality is subject to social evolution.
Morality adopted gays and POC sex despite not contributing to basic survival per se, why not zoos?
So if a dog humps your leg and you let it finish…. is that rape because the dog is didn't consent?
Yes, unless you collect and sell the cum, then it's just business.
Why would you let it finish and encourage bad behavior? Dogs are dumb and do dumb shit. You shouldn't let them eat chocolate or grapes or rusty nails even if they think they're delicious.
weird, the far-right rag of liddle bennie never calls the suspect that>>3629249>And here comes the dehumanization brigade.
No, it's precisely because
they are human that animal and child rapists are awful.>>3629265>How did I get over here…?
blame the author for not knowing what left and right are
You must be fucking seething that you can't call someone a Nazi because Ben Shapiro is Jewish
Bad behavior? knocking over a trash can or chewing up a shoe is bad behavior.
If the dog is enjoying the leg humping and if it doesn't bother me or my leg it's not "bad behavior".
But apparently its rape.
Yeah that makes sense.
Zionists basically are Jews whose lesson from WW2 seems to be "Oppress or be oppressed" and just took what they learned and applied it to their "neighbors."
Sounds like you're making excuses to be anti-Semitic.
You forget to mention how they genocided and ghettoized the Palestinians while continuously lebensrauming the ghettos smaller and smaller
KEEP THE POLITICS IN THE POL THREAD, PEOPLE!!
We have had a Containment Breach.
Hating all Jews for being Jews = Anti-Semitic
Hatining a faction of fascist Jews (Zionists) for being fascists =/= Anti-Semitic
I understand that nuance is difficult for the conservative brain to comprehend though.
I'm just yank'n your chain. I don't care for Zionist either. Speaking of nuance. Which one of lecturing people about the degeneracy being exclusive to Nazi's?
Kind'a seems like moving the goal post.
It's easier to just shout "Nazi" or "chud" when you don't have an an argument.
>>3629321>It's easier to just shout "cope" or "seethe" when you don't have an an argument.
that is probably true
There has not been a Nazi since 1945 and Saucy still looks under his bed for them each night.
you realize neither that post nor the post it was replying to were me, right?
>There has not been a Cummunist since 1991
I can make bizarre unfactual comments too!
What you wrote:>>You'll just keep moving the goal posts and trying to stick your dick into children's spaces.
What I wrote:>>But I dare you to try to argue that banning kids from essentially adult-oriented gatherings would completely solve the problem of a handful of individuals potentially wanting to perv on them.
We were talking specifically about furry conventions. AS IN, NOT CHILDREN'S SPACES. I don't give the tiniest amount of fucks about how many restrictions you want to impose on actual children's spaces.
Who was shifting the goalposts again you lying fuck?
>>3629329>>There has not been a Nazi since 1945 and Saucy still looks under his bed for them each night.
Being extremely charitable
I'd say we could include in the category of Nazi modern philosophical National Socialists (people like Greg Johnson who has headass takes like "I can't stop myself from watching porn therefore the state needs to ban it"), edgy "Neo-Nazi" larpers (probably Andrew Anglin would count) and maybe, just maybe
white identitarians who are specifically not National Socialists but would like some kind of Ethnostate anyway (ex. uncle Jared).
That still leaves us with barely a couple of tens of thousands of people. They couldn't get more than a few hundred together at the Unite the Right rally.
That moron is literally whining about 0.01% of the population.
Meanwhile we have millions, tens of million of morons being indoctrinated into the left wing versions of socialism in universities.
Ban kids from furry conventions.
You're a fucking retard if you think normies will accept you if you hide the sexual shit enough from them. Everybody knows furry is sexual. Might as well embrace the truth than trying desperately to rewrite it.
How the fuck are you going to ban kids from a hotel lobby? How about not parading around in your crusty murrsuit in public?
Unattended children have no business being in a hotel lobby. And convention spaces need to be 18+. Kids don't belong there anyway.
The lobby is a public space you selfish fucking coomer. Rent a private venue that's 18+ only to have your orgy in and learn to keep your dick in your pants. The entire world doesn't have to capitulate to your fetish.
You don't know shit.
It's a privately owned public space and the owner could impose whatever restrictions on it they want, including banning minors from entering for as long as a convention takes place, they could separate the areas off into general public and adult only, and that would obviously be the sane choice.
Nah, not fucking feeling like it. Go fuck yourself you sexually repressed authoritarian fuck. Fetishes are good, if you disagree, this isn't the fandom for you and this isn't the site for you. The door's that way.
Why aren't you gone yet? You clearly don't belong here.
Don't seem to mind though when drag queens do it though do ya?
Drag fags are shitheads too. Never said otherwise. Same goes for fetishists parading around in their pup play fetish gear in public. My shitty internet keeps making my ID change. I'm the tranny hating gay that posted >>3628898>>3629352
I hope you get hatecrimed. You'd deserve it.
maybe you should get a refund from the art school
Yeah I'll probably might go burn it down once I get a car
When I went to Morphicon, when that was a thing, they had you wear special badges to show that you were 18.
you can't block people from going into the lobby, but you can block people from going into specific rooms that you reserved.
How did we stray so far
Can't spell Anubis without Bi or Anus
I hate that guy for making me end up on the same side of the argument as you two filthy commies.
Of course assuming your buddy isn't gonna pull some TERF shit on us.