I already did, years ago.
Religion is a full load of total shit.
There is absolutely nothign to it except blind belief in what we are told to believe in, and no evidence whatsoever of any deities or semi-deities.
At times they can make good stories, and maybe a good moral lesson as well.
But morality comes from EMPATHY, no what some bullshit "preacher" tells us what is morality.
Just look at the TV evangelists, like Ken Copeland and Jerry Falwell Jr.
Religion is bullshit and it's believers all deserve to die for being subhuman trash that's holding back the whole of humanity.
Deus Vult infidel.
You're not very intelligent either. Those are all quotes from the christian testament of the bible.
He has a point. Many of those Muslim countries are theocracies and have religion and state mixed.
Think of how much better the world could be if you could press a button and instantly kill all the Muslims and Jews in the world.
You're not very intelligent either. Christianity is a form of Judaism.
Jesus was a Jew. He went to Temple. He taught the Torah. You literally worship a Jewish Rabbi.
This. There's nothing dumber than a /pol/fag whining about "da joos" while worshipping a Jew on a stick. The crucifix is just a kike kebab
>>3594864>You literally worship a Jewish Rabbi.
You just can't stop being wrong, can you?
Christfaggotry is just an expansion pack for jewery
Jesus was even circumcised according to Jewish tradition. It is even celebrated in Christianity as the 'Feast of Christ'. It is in scripture.
>You just can't stop being wrong, can you?
You have just denied the Word of God. That is one of the 'Unforgivable Sins' where even salvation cant save you. Enjoy hell Cuck.
btw, Hell is in Michigan - near Detroit obviously.
Tell that to the hundreds of flavors of Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Quasi-Christian followers that were harassed, persecuted, killed, and even attempted genocide against.
Religion doesn't care about morality, answers, or turth. Only control.
One thing I have noticed is that Christians seem more forgiving than Atheists. Like if you offends Atheist,they don't forgive easily. While Christians forgive and have more patience.
No, christfags forgive themselves of their own sins. They don't forgive others. They like being a part of a cult that's based on the idea of their god forgiving them for all the bad things they do.
"as long as I accept that jesus died for MY sins I'LL go to heaven and be rewarded. I'M forgiven for MY sins"
Saucy has nothing left. At least he knows where his ass is since everyone hands it to him each day.
This is now a Woden/Norse thread.
Post some norse black metal
The wicked will use any tool at their disposal for their own gain they think will work. Christianity is no exception. >>3594905
If I was an atheist I wouldn't be up here. We forgive so that we too may be forgiven.
You look down your nose at us because it gives you a false sense of supiority and because it's trendy.
A lack of religion isn't the problem with todays society. All things considered things are better now than 50 or 100 years ago.
The problem is institutions and the sorts of people that run them. Corruption is king, but with religion involved you have blind adherence to a bunch of bullshit seen as a virtue. Leaders and institutions should always be questioned and judged for what they are. Authoritarianism is the worst shit in the world and religions all are built around an unquestionable authority.
And what sect of christfaggotry do you adhere to?
Is it the one where you pay the child rapist in a goofy have a fee to have god forgive your sins?
The only things that should be forgiven are mistakes, not malice or shitty behavior. If you do something shitty you should feel bad and do what you can to fix it and not fuck up again, not ask your imaginary friend to forgive you so you can feel better about. Forgiveness does nothing good except make people feel better about the shitty things they've done.
>>3594936>lack of religion isn't the problem with todays society.
True, it's lack of discipline, structure and regard for one another as well the rule of Law. It's a lack of humility and self awareness. I could go on. I appreciate Christianity However because it promotes these very virtues.
>All things considered things are better now than 50 or 100 years ago.
So why are we still fighting those battles that have already been fought and won 50 or hundred years ago?
>The problem is institutions and the sorts of people that run them. Corruption is King,
Like under Communism?>Beut with religion involved you have blind adherence to a bunch of bullshit seen as a virtue.
Also like under Communism?
,>Leaders and institutions should always be questioned and judged for what they are.
Yeah? I'd agree that no system or leader should be above reproach. But neither should we be contrary by default simply for the sake of it. >Authoritarianism is the worst shit in the world and religions all are built around an unquestionable authority.
No once again you're thinking of communist dictatorship religion s are built because of man's longing for wisdom and to know the divine. Any system ( Very much like the modern liberal agenda) that holds it's self as unquestionable orthodoxy … Yeah. … I'd agree SHOULD be resisted and questioned, but as you have pointed out… We're not living 50 or hundred years ago.
So why act like it?
>>3594937>Is it the one where you pay the child rapist in a goofy have a fee to have god forgive your sins?
Not sure what the hell that was even supposed to mean. Are you talking about the one where they cut off the tip of a baby boys dingy??
That's not Christianity. That's Judaism. And your not allowed to question that because that would make you a Nazi or at the very least anti semetic.
Or do you mean the one where they cut out a baby girls clitoris? That's also not Christianity… That's Islam and your not allowed to question that either… You might get beheaded or at the very least be islamaphobic.
Or do you mean the one where the practioner dunks a child under water for a split second or simply splashes some holy water on the head and says a prayer?
I know you're not taking about Christianity because no pastor or Christian I've ever spoken to "charges" people to baptize them. I've baptized people myself thank you. If someone's Charging for baptism it's either a scam or Damn well better have one hell of a happy ending.
I just gotta say … It's a bit peculiar if your more offended by water and prayer than infant genital mutilation.
How exactly is that forgivable to you? How is that not malicious? How is that "okay"?
Why the fuck are you bringing up communism?>>3594943
Talking about catholics and their indulgences and institutional protection of kiddy diddlers
Did that. And I'm clinging to this promise because I'm a worthless trash that deserves to burn in a lake of fire.>>3594865> There's nothing dumber than a /pol/fag whining about "da joos" while worshipping a Jew on a stick.
You're considering "The jews" as one monolithical entity. They are not. Some religious jews are against the creation of the state of Israel for example. They are legit anti-zionists jews.>>3594905
Christians who don't forgive others disobey Jesus : Mt 6:14
"For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.">>3594949
Catholics reinvented their flavor of christianity as needed. Just look at the Popes, there where adulterers among them, guys who paid to access this title for political power, but somehow all they say concerning religion is "infailible", yeah right.
Priests who diddle kids should be expelled from the Church, not protected, it's even in the Bible: 1 Corr 5:11
"But I now have written unto you not to keep company with any man who is called a brother if he is a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. With such a one you are not even to eat."
Give them to the law enforcements ; but if they later change their way sincerely, forgive them.
Look at christians who only live by the Bible for a better view of what a christian should be.
>Just look at the Popes, there where adulterers among them, guys who paid to access this title for political power, but somehow all they say concerning religion is "infailible"
Only when they speak *ex cathedra*.
Just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they're a commie. I'm an antiauthoritarian. Religion and states are both authoritarian scum that should never be given power and both demand power claiming it's for the greater good.
The world would be a far better place without your religious bullshit. You're no different than muslims other than a state keeping your ideology out of the government.
Fun fact is that Jesus was actually black or middle eastern and not white like how those Italian artists painted him as. He would have looked more like Osama Bin Laden and less as Those white actors.
The fictional character of Jesus would have been a middle eastern Jew so there's no way he'd be anything but a sand nigger. Just some dirty Semite stapled to a stick.
If you're anti authoritarian you should be for allowing people to believe as they choose. I'm not forcing anyone to be Christian. And no one should be, and no one should be forced to not be Christian either.
I'm not saying you can't believe in your bullshit, I'm just saying that you're a retard, your beliefs are retarded, and that the world would be better off without retards like you.
Sure, let's erase christianity:
- No ban of sacrifices to Gods.
- No ban of roman gladiator fight and slaughter of criminals against wild beasts.
- No ban of child abandon, left to die if they looked unhealthy, or just weren't wanted. Christian would adopt them, literally picking them up from the trash pile.
Without christianity, the world would have continued being a much more violent place, maybe even to this day if no "human rights" movement happenned (and that is not guaranteed to have happened, just look at China for an example).
Yeah. I saw something on tv that said Jesus didn't look like how we think he did.
I heard Islam is worst. There are passages in the Kiran saying that women are the property of men and that unbelievers are to be killed.
Kiran. Fucking auto correct
Without religion there would be no sacrifices to gods
Gladiatorial combat should be allowed if it's consenting adults
Execution of criminals is valid, why not make the method entertaining? Watching child molesters get mailed and eaten alive on pay-per-view with the profits going to their victims would be great.
Infanticide (such as abortion, which is irrefutably infanticide) sucks and it would be great if there was a way to make sure that every child could be given a loving and supportive home, but religion isn't a necessity for love compassion
oh yeah accountability being decent to people, charity, believing in something higher than your self … So retarded. The world would be so much better off if we were all just as selfish and hateful as you.
You can have all that good shit without the religion. If you need a bunch of lies to tell you to do that under threat of eternal torture then you aren't really a good person.>>3594978
People who hurt children have forfeited their humanity. Warehousing them in prisons is an unnecessary burden. They need to be put down like the diseased animals they are. Doing so in a way that helps their victims is the best option.
How is saying they'll be tortured for eternity in hell by your diety any less sadistic?
>>3594977>believing in something higher than your self … So retarded.
There's a better version. Buddhism believes yourself to be the highest thing, only, thinking yourself as an individual misses the point and reduces you to be something less.
>>3594980>You can have all that good shit without the religion
Every system of thought reduces to a religion. The only difference is in how much you assume.
The fact you think people need to be afraid of a scary sky-god for them to be decent people just goes to show how much of an asshole you are. You assume everyone is like you, rotten and broken, sour and disgusting deep down to your core so the only way anyone could do good is if some outside force made them do it.
>>3594987>Every system of thought reduces to a religion.
Every system reduces to a belief. Not a religion. Religion is a belief that is held without or sometimes in opposition to factual evidence.
People believe in gravity because there is evidence of gravity. People have religion about a zombie-jew flying into the sky and sitting on the throne of heaven because they are in a cult.
There is a difference.
Well there are mean assholes, like people who have been assholes to me because i don't know social skills. I have had people avoid me and tell me to fuck off because of my social skills. I think if they had a fear of god, they wouldn't do that. Like they would fear god would strike them down.
If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.
>>3595001>I have had people avoid me and tell me to fuck off because of my social skills.
That's like saying, "I keep ignoring the rules of chess every time I play and for some reason, these assholes don't want to play with me! Why won't people just let me do whatever I want and kiss my ass anyway?"
That's not a them problem, that's a you problem.
>>3594980>How is saying they'll be tortured for eternity in hell by your diety any less sadistic?
I believe people are destroyed in the lake of fire, and "hell with demons torturing you" before judgement is dubious to me.
Oh but it's a "fire that never is quenched" ! Well, just like several fires mentionned in the Bible, that burned cities left and right. Those cities burned to the ground, and the fire is not still raging on nowadays.>>3594992>The fact you think people need to be afraid of a scary sky-god for them to be decent people just goes to show how much of an asshole you are.
I can't speak about the other anon. But we are all assholes. Some much less than others, granted.
When you accept God, his Spirit is supposed to works you ; the fear of punishment can be a useful motivator at first I suppose, but you're supposed to become a better person who wouldn't engage in bad behaviors in the first place.
>>3595022>I believe people are destroyed in the lake of fire…
See, that's a nice excuse that Christians like to use to cover for the sadistic cruelty of their "God" but it's contradicted by the texts of the bible.
Read the story of Lazarus. Luke 16:14-31 where they compare the eternal suffering of a rich, greedy man vs the salvation of a poor man showed God's mercy.
If you believe the bible is true, then you must also believe that God makes people suffer for all time to soothe his own ego.
To be a Christian is to worship a sadistic, mass-murdering, child-raping, monster.
>>3595022>When you accept God, his Spirit is supposed to work you…
The evidence, over all of recorded time, shows that isn't what happens.
Churches are known for racism, slaving, bigotry, child molestation, and hate.
There is no more destructive organization in all of history than the Christian church.
You literally have committed genocide. The Catholics backed Hitler.
You did crusades.
You slaughtered entire nations of people in the name of expanding God's influence.
There has been no single greater source of evil perpetrated through-out history than the pursuit of the "love" of God.
Your "Holy Spirit" is doing a shit job.
Christians are wannabe-Jews.>>3594894>"two wrongs make a who cares"
You're not wrong about religion being only there to control people (at least nowadays, when we don't need the fairy tales as an explanation as to how we got here), but he's not wrong either. The Five Books of Moses (Torah) are the beginning of both the Jewish Bible and the Christian Old Testament. That's not an accident.
Somebody didn't just mix up some scrolls while making the final draft of the Christian Bible.>>3594865>>/pol/fag whining about "da joos" while worshipping a Jew on a stick. The crucifix is just a kike kebab
I know right. I love to wind up NatSocs with this shit.
At least some of them have enough brains to be some into some kind of völkish neopagan let's-pretend-we're-religious-again kinda shit. I can respect that half-assed larping more than I can respect someone worshiping dead Jew.
>>3595024>>The Catholics backed Hitler
It's… not that simple.
Germany was majority Evangelic (2/3).
But Hitler was a Catholic. He tried to unify all Germans under one Nazi-approved version of the German Evangelic Church. And the Catholic church ended up opposing Hitler (gee, wonder why). And the Evangelic Church itself split off in two, some churches not wanting state meddling, others liking the state backing.
TL;DR it was a total clusterfuck.
Oh yeah Christians are all assholes rotten to the core disgusting and broken horrible and retarded for believing in an invisible sky daddy…
Until your Job becomes considered " non essential" your hours are cut or your laid off entirely, unemployment is backed up, so you're not getting a government check,
you have no money and have to wait in line at a food pantry so you'll have something to eat.
Biased selective reasoning much?
The crusades were a response to the forceful spread of Islam.
Stop equating a lack of religion with authoritarian politics. For fucks sake people can be good to each other without religion>>3595030
Why didn't they just be good Christians and turn the other cheek?
You were just talking about the Christian virtue of forgiveness. Why not forgive the Muslims for their trespasses against them?
Oh boy here we go agian with the "HuH Well ya know the Bible says (insert questionable Bible quote) so yeah ya know if you're a Christian you must Believe (insert questionable belief here)Check mate Christfag!"
Bro you don't know what we believe, you're incapable of having a legit discussion on that because it's easier for you to make broad sweeping generalizations, pat yourself on the back to feel supior
It's easier to be a hateful prick that to be open minded about different beliefs. Different people believe different things, even among Christians. Yeah there's a lot of things in there that may seem contradictory, things that if you have a grain of common sense should know not to be taken literally or at face value. Sometimes in the Bible, yeah… God's kind of a dick.
No one here is disputing that. (At least I hope not)
I'd say living strictly according to scripture is entirely dependent on which verses you prioritize. So different people are going to do it differently. I might say treating the Bible as if it is Literally your God, is unquestionable…. well I can't recommend that. It's kinda limiting yourself spiritually and intellectually in your relationship with God or Whatever you call the spirit force. But it's ours! It's our book, it's important to us.
So you can fuck right off.
I wasn't. The point is most of these food pantries people are turning to during this pandemic are typically Christian organizations. I was saying that it's all well and good for you talk shit about us and look down your nose at us, but who's going to be there for you and your family in your time of need? Satan? Atheistic intellectuals? The local synogue? Your local mosque? Yeah good luck with that.
>>3595031>Why didn't they just be good Christians and turn the other cheek?
Oh boy here we once again with the "I absolutely hate you and despise your beliefs even though I just make up what I think you believe based cartoonish stereotypes, but OH YEAH let me see if I can use your own scripture against you."
Turn the other cheek? How about speak softly but carry a big stick. Forgiveness and patience has it's limits ya know. So are you honestly suggesting we would all have been better off of the crusades didn't happen and Christians allowed Militant Islam to spread throughout the western world?
Because that's what would have happened. Turn the cheek? How about you turn the other cheek and stop being hateful prick bigot?
"Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick" is from Theodore Roosevelt, not the Bible. Have you even read the bible? Lol!
Yeah we all know you can be decent person without being a Christian. No fuck'n shit. Literally no one here is disputing that
But did YOU know that like wise Authoritarianism can exist without it being religious? Because it can, it has, and still does in some places to this very day. Are you really going to try to dispute that? Because it seems like trying to.
Aufy's actually right here. Crusades were actually actually justified, gotta say.
Muslims impeded on the religious freedoms of both Christians and Jews in the occupied territories by demanding a religious tax, banning bell ringing and observing specific traditions and holidays. The crusades were merely a reconquering of conquered territory. As simple as that.>>3595028
Religion is doo-doo, Aufy. You know it's made up, I know you wanna believe, but let's drop the bullshit.
Yeah, I know. No fuck'n shit. We learned that in third grade history. I didn't say it was a Bible quote. The point I was making was Forgiveness and kindness and "Turning the other cheek" has to have it's limits.
Yeah we can be kind and forgiving but if ya push to far, you're gonna have bad time. Did I not just get through ranting about how I cannot recommend using the Bible as your only sourc of wisdom? If I was quoting the Bible I would have sourced it to an the particular verse. Literally anyone online can do that now, we have the internet.
What in the heck are you talking about? At the time the crusades occurred there was no such thing as religious freedom. If you lived in a country, empire, or kingdom, you followed the religious norms of that area without question.
This is true whether you lived in the middle east, or europe, or china, or any other area.
So if christians and jews were living in muslim occupied areas and the muslims told them they had to follow muslim law, that's no different than if muslims were living in europe and had to follow european catholic laws. There's no imbalance in that.
>>3595043> there was no such thing as religious freedom.
You literally don't know what you are talking about.
Jerusalem belonged to a muslim ruler before the crusades, but he allowed jews and christians to live, even allowed pilgrims to visit.
The very crusade we're talking about in this thread where triggered because a turkish ruler took Jerusalem and refused pilgrimages to it, as well as being a dick with jews and christians.
Jews and Christians lived in muslim owned countries for centuries. They payed a special tax, but then so did muslims. Wikipedia excerpt:
zakat - one of the five pillars of Islam. Only imposed on Muslims, it is generally described as a 2.5% tax on savings to be donated to the Muslim poor and needy.
jizya - a per capita yearly tax historically levied by Islamic states on certain non-Muslim subjects—dhimmis—permanently residing in Muslim lands under Islamic law, the tax excluded the poor, women, children and the elderly.
And obviously you could be jew in medieval europe too. Everyone hated you of course, and sometime pogrommed you, but they survived.
And what part of this equates to religious freedom? If anything you're just expounding on my point that all of this oppression was normal for the time.
How is theocratic Muslims making christfags pay taxes any different from church tithing?
If jews and christians followed muslim laws, they'd become muslims. They'd have them recite "There is only one God Allah and Mohammed is his messenger" and it would have been over. Only muslim, no jews, no christians.
Since there where jews and christians in muslim countries, logic dictate that they didn't follow muslim laws.
If you're talking about civil laws, it's another story. Certainly they'd have have their hand cut off if found stealing, just like muslims.
But I never did anything to make some people be assholes to me. What did I ever do to them to make them hate me?
As if Atheistism is any better. Stalin was a atheist,as was Mao,As was ho chi minh. in the USSR, religion was outlawed
They may have been atheist, (although Stalin asked for God's help when he was threatened by Hitler, but Stalin and Mao demanded worship of THEMSELVES.
Mao is still worshipped in Red China, and the Kim family is still worshipped in North Korea.
I'm reminded of a banner being towed by one of Ming's ships, in the movie "Flash Gordon."
"All will make merry, under pain of death."
Atheism was the States position, but it was never practiced as policy. It is easy to see churches of all kinds all over the Soviet Union all during its time. Islam and Eastern Orthodox Christianity did just fine. Some cults were extinguished however, but no one cares about heretics.
It's not that easy.
First of all, communist atheism is fake. It doesn't come from a sincere desire to root out misinformation but from a practical desire to control better
. The state gathers more power by the government becoming a church-like entity and the supreme leader becoming a god-like figure. If religion had been a better way to do it, they'd have probably started a religion.
Secondly, many communist countries were in practice also religious. For the majority of the time during the communist regime, both in the Soviet Union and in the Eastern Bloc religion was only outlawed for the party members (officially, unofficially priests would do religious weddings at midnight as long as you grease the wheels with some cash or foreign luxury goods), the proles had all the church they wanted. But priests would be listened to by assigned informants of the secret police force. As long as you didn't talk against communism or the party or the leader you should be fine tho. And in school they taught atheism in the form of "religion is just man made stories" (I hate commies but go and prove them wrong on this one, I'm waiting).
The Eastern Orthodox church is particularly obnoxious, since it managed to get state backing somehow and crushed under its boot other denominations like Greek-Catholics using political prisons as an "incentive" to force-convert priests. The average man never had any say in it anyway.
So, it's complicated. Americans think in such simplistic black and white terms. It was never simple or clear, in some places communism was just some kind of parasite that latched onto the existing structure, in other places it completely turned everything upside down and built a new society. Anyway, fuck commies.
uh, meant to link to >>3595058
I was a bit loose there with that 'Religious freedoms' phrasing.
But my main point was the Muslims completely provoked Christianity into attacking, oppressing its believers and tearing chunks out of Europe. Some parts of Europe were under the boot of the Muslims for centuries, but fortunately at the time they were happy with taking just our money (and kids, see Janissary army, probably why Turkey half looks like someone swapped all the sandniggers in Arabia with white people)
Remember, (and I _really_ hate having to defend them) Christianity was filtered through Greek culture, which was really politically advanced for its time, so if you're wondering why Christianity as a whole is so Democracy-compatible. Of course, minus the parts of the history where Christianity decided it was going to take over the world and tear to shreds and burn everything in its path. there you go.
>>3595072>It doesn't come from a sincere desire to root out misinformation
That's atheism by virtue. Atheism does not reject religion as it's simply inverting it. In effect, it is the religion (and the moral implications that arise) of preaching that God doesn't exist. Atheism starts from the axiom that God is not true and spirituality is nonsense in any sense, which is not seeking any truth but simply asserting it.
The only people who are actually being intellectually honest in this respect are the ignostic, who claim to be too stupid to even know what God means so they cannot believe or not believe in it. They are at least open to the question. Their trouble is that they either don't care about the truth and refuse to seek it, or are secretly atheists who are playing dumb to avoid the argument.
Another way to look at it, because atheism is not starting from a neutral point of view, but from a negation of religion, it is a political system by nature. It is established and maintained not as an intellectual or scientific pursuit, but as a movement to oppose whatever the established social order is.
Because of this, atheism never exists outside of the context of its parent religion. It is established to justify reversal of social power by defining the previous order heretical by the ultimate means: it's not that you believe in the wrong god, but that you believe in a god at all that makes you unfit to rule. Never mind what crazy stuff the atheist believes in, because he defines himself as being rational by default BECAUSE he opposes faith and spirituality. This is the purpose of atheism, and why the communists employed it.
And let's not forget:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy
>The first step is to measure whatever can be easily measured. This is OK as far as it goes. The second step is to disregard that which can't be easily measured or to give it an arbitrary quantitative value. This is artificial and misleading. The third step is to presume that what can't be measured easily really isn't important. This is blindness. The fourth step is to say that what can't be easily measured really doesn't exist. This is suicide.
Science isn't really atheistic. It's just disregarding everything that cannot be put into numbers and equations because it has no tools to deal with it. This is why philosophy is a thing and science is just a subset of rational thought, even though the hard-line physicists like to claim that philosophy is dead. Anyone who does that as a matter of principle is not being entirely rational.