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I bought the pictured 1 terabyte "auxiliary memory" for $50, it is still quite the upgrade, my first IBM had a 10 mg hard drive.

Today I saw at Best Buy a hard drive, 8 terabytes for $170!

What's next?

No.3512086

Marveling at the falling costs of disk storage is such a dated thing man. I remember coming up with a crude formula for the decline of price per GB as a kid in like the 90s.

No.3512087
>my first IBM had a 10 mg hard drive.

That's surprisingly light for a hard drive.

No.3512089

Ext hard drives suck, most are soldered/wired into the USB connector for planned obsolescence, so now I have like 4 useless 1TB USB 2.0 drives too slow to do anything useful nowadays cause no USB3/SATA and can't get em out of the damn enclosures. I got totally Jewed.

No.3512092

>>3512089

sorry you bought western digital :/

No.3512093

>>3512089
what about using these for like, system back-ups?
the larger the hard drive the slower it is, if you want speed or cache in your software get a ~500 Gb WD or Toshiba. Get a terabytesque for your back up and porn and downloads.

also it's not planned obsolescence, if you want mobility, get some USB stick, or a HDD in an enclosure. WD passports and these maxtors are designed to help you back-up precious stuff and get stored on your bookshelf, or plugged in somewhere behind your TV/stereo or as a NAS.

Finally, 8TB on a 2.5"format HDD? that's a lot, but are the data on it guaranteed to stay and not have any loss?

No.3512095

>>3512093

>the larger the hard drive the slower it is

Spinning hard drives get faster the bigger they are because the data density is increased, while the RPM remains the same, so the head sweeps over more bytes per second.

Server drives have lower data density because they're designed for higher RPM and faster seek times. The tracks need to be wider so it holds less data per platter.

No.3512105
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>What's next?

Lunch.

No.3512108

>>3512092
More like Western DiJewtal amirite?

No.3512191

>>3512092
Western Digitals are shuckable and aren't garbage unlike Seagate.

No.3512248

>>3512191
There's nothing wrong with Seagate, just avoid the models/line they bought off from Maxtor and you're good.

Maxtor went under because they were having repeated reliability issues and callbacks, so they sold the whole thing to Seagate. Seagate then tried to make Maxtor's drives under its name for a while and fix the issues, but ultimately couldn't so they dropped the whole thing. The ones that come from the old Maxtor factories/product lines are coded STM- while Seagate's own designs are coded ST-.

Maxtor was the shit they put in every clone/supermarket PC, which ended up breaking with the "bling of death", where the drive's controller chip overheated and started banging the read head against the platters, making a distinct "blik blik blik" noise.

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I have WDs from 10 years ago still running fine, almost all my drives are WD. The only one that failed I mailed in on warranty and got replacement no questions asked. The soldered USB interface on externals is the only real downside. It's real jew move.

Meanwhile both maxtor and seagates have failed on me a few times each and lost tons of good data on one.

(god this board sucks)

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Relevant:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/3tb-hard-drive-failure/

I've never had a Western Digital failure on me and they're pretty much all I use at home. Two WD Greens. Four WD Reds. Likewise, I've never actually had a Seagate failure, which are found come pretty commonly in the computers we buy at work. Relatively small business though, so small sample sizes all around, but enough for me to conclude that no matter what you buy, so long as it's not a shitty off brand, it DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

No.3512315

>>3512286
Because of these results I bought 3TB HGST drives. 1/3 Drives has bad sectors after only 3k hours and 500 spinups.
The drive is still running after 6k hours with 85 bad sectors, but at least for me the low failure rate does not apply.
As always no backup no pity...

No.3512363

>>3512315
Have you checked the SMART readings for temperature?

Many make the error of buying a HD and then mounting it up with rubber grommets - they're designed to dissapate heat out through the sides - in a crappy cheap computer case with no fans for the drives. Then comes summer, temperatures hit 65 C and the drive starts to fail.

No.3512376

>>3512252

I have a Western Digital from an external HD that failed a few years ago.... I lost like decades of furry art. Only the motor failed but its not recoverable....

IM INCONSOLABLE :'(

No.3512381

>>3512376
Find donor drive, uhh... clean room transplant, transfer files off ASAP, ??, profit!

No.3512736

>>3512381
Changing the motor is a lost cause because you lose alignment of the platters to each other and have to perform a low-level format to get the sectors to read right, and even that is no longer possible in most cases because there's some data on the platters that the drive needs to read to boot up the firmware, so it can only be done at the factory. When professional recovery companies do it, they put the platters in a modified drive with firmware designed to just dump the raw data off of the platter and then some software reconstructs the tracks and sectors out of the signal.

A cleanroom isn't absolutely necessary in these sort of rescue operations as long as you're not spinning the disc while it's open. If a particle of dust lands on the platter, it gets blown away and ends up in the little white cushion inside that works as a dust trap.

Though the bigger problem in trying to swap a motor is that you're most likely unable to get the motor and platters out without special tools and/or dismantling the entire read head assembly which puts it out of calibration as well. It may work if there's only a single platter in the drive.

No.3512738

>>3512736
Oh, and then there's the issue that when the drive is assembled at the factory and the platters are bolted down on the motor, they're never perfectly centered because there's a tiny tolerance gap between the platter and the hub so it fits on. When you unscrew it from the hub and screw it back on the other motor, the tracks of the original low-level format end up wobbling around a different center and if it's too eccentric the head may not be able to track it any longer.

No.3512752

>>3512738
Drill into the motor and hook up an external motor?

No.3512770

>>3512752
I don't see how you could drill in so perfectly. You have to drill out the original seized bearings and then attach the new motor to the old hub at its original center, which is now anyone's guess since you bored through it.

No.3512772

>>3512375

>It helped of course, average HDD temps dropped from 41C to 35C just adding that small fan in front.

41 C isn't a problem for hard drives. That's just paranoia.

Normally when the HD is bolted on both sides to the steel chassis, there's no need for extra cooling fans. The problems start when you have plastic drive caddies/mounts or rubber vibration dampers on the drives which work as insulators. Then the drive works for a while, until it gets stressed on a hot day and the temperatures spike and it ages the equivalent of six months in an hour.

Sometimes this happens because of cargo cult engineering in the case design, where cheap manufacturers simply copy the noise isolation solutions from more expensive models, but leave the fans out. Sometimes it happens because people do their own mods and add aftermarket noise isolation kits without understanding they also need to fit in a fan.

No.3512777

>>3512375

> I've had a few that did not label airflow direction with an arrow

That's because it should be fucking obvious. Computer fans frankly do not vary in this respect - if you have a special fan where the blades are curved backwards and the motor spins the other way around, please do post a photo. I have not seen a single one, ever.

No.3512779

Though sometimes it happens that the motor spins the wrong way, but that's a defect and not a design. The fan should always blow towards the concave side of the blades.

The motor is a 3-phase motor run by a simple microcontroller, and if somebody crossed one of the phases in manufacturing, maybe they accidentally flipped the motor core in the wire winding machine, or fucked up the switching sequence in the firmware, it can run backwards.

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>>3512363
Temperatures are no problem, the HDDs get hit with air from the front fans.
The Toshiba DT01ACA300 is a rebranded HGST/Hitachi HDS723030BLE640
Probably just bad luck...

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>>3512779
Consumer grade fans are two phase motors, without µC and only a hall-sensor for brushless commutation.
Enterprise hardware indeed has often a µC (like this one with a PIC16C712) but normally for spin up (start at low speed, after 10 sec running at full speed), and overcurrent (if rotor is locked) protection. The Motor is still the 2 phase type.
A single phase motor is also possible, for example with the ROHM BU6906 hallsensor/driver-IC.

No.3512817

>>3512804
Same thing applies. Someone flips the phase wiring and the motor runs backwards.

A pure single phase operation is not possible, because you can't control for the direction of the motor - it spins whichever way it happens to start, if it starts at all. Those phase sensors are actually used as a pair to make two or more phases.

One possibility for a single phase motor is a shaded pole motor, in which the second phase is generated by a short-circuited coil. These aren't used for computer fans because they're highly inefficient and powerless for their size.

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There's never enough storage space. My pointlessly quality HD gaming videos need to go somewhere.
vc: big

No.3520191

SSD, which are a lot faster than HDD drives. I'm able to get my computer from off to main screen (and able to run every program) within 1 minute, as opposed to the 5 it used to take when it booted off a standard HDD.
The downside, obviously, is that the space/price ratio is a lot higher as a result.

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>>3520191

>within 1 minute

lol

No.3520310

>>3520221
I did say within - it's usually about 15 seconds or so.

No.3520939

>>3520310 With my Samsung 960 Pro as my main drive, my load times are determined by the bios loading and Windows itself is up and running in 15 to 20 seconds unless there is an update occurring. I used to leave my computer on 24/7 due to the glacial load times of mechanical hard drives but not anymore. The difference is not worth the heat and power wasted.

The top of the line NVME M.2 drives are approaching the speeds of system RAM. In the future, system RAM and the SSD may be the same device according to Intel.

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>>3520939

> I used to leave my computer on 24/7 due to the glacial load times..

I still do because I was trained that turning the system off and on frequently will shorten the life span of the motherboard. Heating and cooling of the circuit soldering causes it to crack over time. Is that no longer the case? I know heat has been reduced a great deal since the days of MSDOS

No.3520958

>>3520942

>>heat
>>reduced a great deal since the days of MSDOS

Huh. Do tell.

No.3520962

>>3520942

What fucking crack are you smoking? Computers back in teh day utilized very little power. 166 MHz Pentium (Dos+98) used like 15 watts total, half of that likely lost as heat. Then we go to the Pentium 4, which sucked upwards of 200 watts and lost just as much as heat.

I'd love to see older procs put on current manufacturing nodes and see how they perform.

No.3520994

>>3520942 Cpus didn't even have heatsinks until the 486. Crack, smoking, you know the drill.

No.3520995

>>3520942 Turning a computer on and off once a day isn't going to affect the computer that much since modern computers go into sleep mode many times during the day. The power supply may see wear but it will be old and obsolete before that is a factor.

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>>3520962

>Computers back in teh day utilized very little power.

Yes, and they also had very little performance but as they grew more powerful they also grew more power hungry. Why do you think we invented heat sinks and fans in the first place? The smaller and faster things got, the hotter things got.

Why must you pick apart every single fucking thing I type down to the most minute detail? Can you people not go one fucking day without me needing to explain everything to you like you are five?

No.3521003

>>3521001 Nothing attracts replies like being wrong on the internets. Pants on head, drooling wrong just makes it worse.

No.3521055

>>3521015 No, real men aren't stupid enough to throw real money to store their MLP porn. The only reason to use a mechanical HD is if you need the space. It fails every other metric compared to an SSD. SSD failure rates are in tenths of a percent vs. the failure rate of enterprise HDDs which can be up to 6% to 8% depending on brand. If 8 terabyte SSDs were to hit the market at a comparable price you'd see roads being paved with old HHDs.

No.3521059

>>3521055
more or less. SSD's either work, or they dont from what I understand the quality control procedure on them is pretty cut and dry.

The only reason I still use mechanical hard drives is because I've got a million laying around, and penny for penny, a 2 terabyte hd for nothing is hard to beat when you're just storing torrented zip files.

I'm sure it'll change in a few years.

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>>3521063
Calm your tits tiny horse fag.

No.3521067
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>>3521059

Samsung makes top tier SSDs. Very reliable.

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>>3521067
The Evo? Thats what me, and by default all of my friends use, we've never had any issues.

No.3521069

>>3521068

Same. I love my 860.

No.3521070

>>3521059

only buy Samsung or Intel. anything else is inferior.

No.3521081

>>3521063 Like I said, if you need the capacity and back things up then a mechanical HDD makes perfect sense, just as a tape drive makes perfect sense in certain situations but booting your gaming rig with one would be painful at best. I use a 3TB HDD in my main rig which I only use for archiving and it is close to being 10 years old I would guess.

No.3521083

Every drive solution is external if you want it to be.

No.3521086

>>3521001
...and everything went down pretty much as expected.

No.3521091

>>3521083 Your organs can all be external, doesn't mean it is wise...

No.3521093

>>3521082 Don't buy Seagate anything but especially any sort of home NAS or external drive. See, Seagate bought Maxtor and still have warehouses full of garbage drives they dump into the market with power point driven fits of dollar signs in their eyes profit orgasms that quickly fizzle once the returns and failure rates eat at their profits. Their research keeps telling them that they are perfectly fine to store grandma's cat videos until the warranty runs out but reality keeps rearing it's ugly head.

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>>3521093
I've got a Seagate Black barracuda for storage but only because I literally dragged it out of a dumpster.

No.3521097

>>3521093

>power point driven fits of dollar signs in their eyes

Cheap drives for the adventurous! YAY!!!

No.3521100

>>3521093
I thought it was because they started using Maxtor's shitty fabs instead of their own.
Any warehouse of already garbage drives would go obsolete quick, and this all happened years ago now.

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No.3521108

>>3521100 True, I was trying to be funny really. Original Seagate is fine, enterprise stuff is industry standard. The consumer grade stuff is a crapshoot. Everything Seagate I've bought as consumer grade hardware has failed, just outside of warranty in some cases.

No.3521305

With the bit-density of modern drives everything is a crapshoot and enterprise drives aren't any more reliable than the consumer variants. Avoid models with known issues but otherwise buy cheap and plan for failure.


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