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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGuL4lNkRQ

well done!

No.3510279

they look happy to finally meet each other.

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cap chile

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Emotional.

No.3510288

You know Trump is going to find a reason to be offended and leave, right? He can't get what he wants. N.K. will not disarm so he's going to throw a temper tantrum and leave.

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>>3510288

Are you warning us with this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO_zS6Ih44Q

No.3510295

>>3510288
Think they'll fuck on the first date?

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>>3510295

meh beh?...... hehehehe!

No.3510297

Two best friends joining forces to crush the evil Canadian empire

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what a weird year to be alive.

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not sure if diplomacy or dating?

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whoever is making these cartoons it's just ugh strange....

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it's like mixing toothpaste and orange juice!

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play-dates huh?

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I wonder what Trump and Kim's feet smell like?

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>>3510307

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North Korea has a long history of playing nice then reneging on the deal when it comes to nuclear talks. If anything good actually comes out of these talks I'll be shocked and amazed -- I'll still think Trump is a buffoon. Make nice with dictators ... make enemies out of trade allies.

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There are actually people who buy into this.

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>>3510339

Liberals are really unhappy about denuclearization of Korea.

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Hey creep, could you explain yourself more about this thread? also post more vixens!

No.3510549

>>3510356
One solid critique is that Trump has, apparently, given N. Korea a major concession by stating we won't perform any more wargames in the area, while N. Korea hasn't given anything concrete in return.

Also, N. Korea has a long history of making, then breaking, promises they've made regarding nuclear weaponry, dating all the way back to 1985 - https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

No.3510553

>>3510549
If a leftist had behaved at all like orange retard has vis-a-vis North Korea, they would have been impeached already. Even if they had actually secured strong concessions from Kim a leftist would literally have been crucified, as in nailed to a literal cross and raised up on the whitehouse lawn to die by the screeching rightwinger filth.

The left needs to stop negotiating with terrorists and start crushing these "people" before they destroy us all.

No.3510556

>>3510553
Then why isn't the left impeaching Trump?

If it's that easy, do go ahead. Oh, you can't because there's no legal reason to?

No.3510565

>>3510556
Legal reasons are not required to impeach.

No.3510567

>>3510556

Wait'll 2019, chump. #BlueWave

No.3510572

>>3510565
Then why isn't it happening?

Oh, because the public opinion is against it?

No.3510575

>>3510572
Why ain't you stuck your head in that blender yet Adolph?

No.3510605

>>3510556
Because it's something the Democrats will get exactly one shot at - if they fuck it up by not bringing forth compelling evidence about why he should be impeached, they'll be laughingstocks.

Oh, and it requires a 2/3 majority in order to start impeachment proceedings - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Senate - and Democrats currently have 47 to 51 Republicans and 2 Independents.

No.3510606

I dunno man, this Trump dude seems a bit shady. The swamp is still there. Wall's kinda not real yet. Whose side is he on anyway?

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>>3510606

Trump is on the side of money just like the Democrats and the Republicans. That is why more of America backs Bernie Sanders every day. He's the only one not sucking the cock of big pharma and the war machine.

No.3510610

>>3510605
And so you explained to everyone why >>3510553 is bullshit: if a leftist president had done the same with north korea, exactly nothing would have happened.

The left is trying really hard to crucify Trump over any excuse, but they simply can't, the same as how the birthers tried to get rid of Obama. There's not a reason enough to do it.

No.3510630

>>3510608

His son's campaign is in the gutter and Bernie isn't going to help because he's too concerned about more failure on his record.

Like father, like son.

No.3510631

>>3510608
No, Bernie is just sucking Clinton dick. He got screwed by the democrats then he joined up with them. Yeah, I am sure his communism will bring prosperity.

No.3510633

I don't understand. Isn't Trump Evil ? Why do good things happen like NK talks and employment and wages going up ?

No.3510639

>>3510633

Yeah, wages going up, but cost of living still going up even faster such that minimum wage is not enough to live on anywhere in the country.

Jobless rate continuing to go down as a result of the previous president's two terms of economic recovery.

Where's that economic growth rate of 3+% that Trump promised due to the tax cut that would be required for it to pay for itself, huh? Oh right, it isn't happening, we're barely breaking 2%, just like we have been for the past 10 years.

How about those rapidly increasing gas prices and the hatchet-job destruction of the US solar industry? How about that ZTE bailout? How about 4600+ dead in Puerto Rico over the course of only a couple months due to a near total lack of government interest, care, or response, almost 1500 more dead than the 3168 killed in terrorist attacks in the USA from 9/11/01 to today (almost seventeen years)? How about the steadily decreasing standard of living of American farmers? How about the rapidly rising suicide rate? How about the opioid crisis spiraling even further out of control with no concrete action from the Trump administration who promised to immediately help out?

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>>3510639

>How about those rapidly increasing gas prices and the hatchet-job destruction of the US solar industry?

You do understand that the solar industry is a bubble that's running on subsidies, and 80% of whatever money isn't going to the pockets or rich investors is going to China thanks to imports?

Solar energy is subsidized something on the order of 5x its worth on the market - assuming that anybody would pay full price for essentially random electricity.

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>>3510639

>Jobless rate continuing to go down as a result of the previous president's two terms of economic recovery.

So everything that Obongo assraped is Trump's fault, and anything good that happens is because of Obomgo. Oh. You're one of those liberal scums.

No.3510656

>>3510631

It got him mansions, luxury cars and money. That's the only reason he spouts about socialism.

No refunds. Hey at least Bernie made it.

No.3510670

>>3510655

>durr obummer dun ruin duh coconomy! duh drop in unumploymints was liebrul lies1!
>duh unumploymints dun go down wit orange daddy! plz let me suck ur chode orange daddy!!!1!

Off yourself.

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>>3510633

>Why do good things happen like NK talks...

Because N.K. is sitting on a metric shit ton of rare earth minerals that America has been drooling over.

He would have invaded to get them but Lil Kim has nukes and would most certainly use them to keep his legacy in tact. Irradiated minerals are worth less.

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>>3510656 <-- idiot still spouting that long debunked bullshit claim about Bernie and "his mansions"

First, Bernie owns two homes, not three, according to his Senate finance disclosure form, and his net worth is around $500,000 to $700,000, make him technically not a millionaire, although quite close to one.

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

In shot, you're a total dumbfuck who likely would down a gallon of drano if Fox news told you to do so. Also only fucktards look negatively on socialism. Don't like socialism, then stay off public roads and stop using public utilities.

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>>3510707

In fairness to the asshat, Bernie will most likely be a millionaire by 2020 from the book sales alone. Even at $27 a book or less he's just selling so many it's pushing him over the top.

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>>3510712

>Bernie will most likely be a millionaire by 2020

The guy purchased his 3rd home already. I wonder how he afforded that.

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>>3510724

it's pretty easy when you have people like 3b throwing money at you.

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>>3510697

Don't forget, it's a country that's basically in the 1960's, having been under socialism for decades.

So guess what happens to the first country that they like comes to help, rather than treat them like a step kid, like Obama, and the previous republicans presidents have done?

It means if Kim gets off his ass and modernizes his country, both South Korea, and the US will help with that. Which means bookoo bucks.

Trump's playing it very well, and not in the usual diplomatic way that is so stale.

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>>3510670

You keep licking that sweet chocolate ass you treasonous piece of bullfuck. Your marxist socialist god-king did his best with the corrupt and sickeningly biased drive-by media(like, all of them but Fux News), tried their measured best to rip this country apart, and it's succeeded. Look at how divided ths country is now...That's your God-King's fault, and his cronies still trying to sweep this country under the rug. Trump is slowly undoing Xerxes Obumbo's assfuckery, but it's going to be decades...maybe even never...to heal the undermining f Justice, rule of law and basic human decency.

Religitards and fucktarded Far Right ass clowns have their faults(glaring), but at least they don't foster this snowflake offended by everything entitled spoiled me first generation of adderall stoned soyboy emasculated feminazi-browbeaten pussies.

Sure, I cringe at some of the religitard shit Trump does, but god dammit It's nice to wake up and be proud to be an American again. That treasonous scumfuck Obongo kissing ass like an obsequious sycophant, tounguing the UN's ass, going on world apology tours, apologizing for American exceptionalism...how dare you, you? How fucking dare you even claim he was anything but an 8 year embarrassment, a knife in the side of the founders and patriots of this country, an insult to the military who stand and fight against people LIKE OBAMA that desperately want to wipe their ass with your rights?

This country isn't perfect, and it's fucking off the rails, but that's largely in part because of putrescent scum like Obongo, Chuck U Schumer, that embarrassing cunt Pelosi, and any cretin that crawls out of the cesspool called California.

The more lunatic liberal trash cries and whines and loses their fucking minds, the more that means Trump is doing the right thing. Fucking hell yes. MAGA.

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>>3510746

>North Korea under socialism...

No, they are communists. Socialism is putting power in the hands of the people not concentrating it at the top with the elites. North Korea's Communism is almost the polar opposite of socialism.

Socialism is your tax dollars being spent on things that help you, the tax payer. Communism rarely works on a national scale because those in power will inevitably use it to make themselves wealthy.

The reason Trump loves N.K. so much is that it's capitalism at gun point. If a worker won't work, just beat them or starve them until they do. Anything to make the company more profitable.

If you want to see what America would look like if the 1% got it's way, look no further than North Korea.

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Paul Manafort went to jail today. Facing 20+ criminal charges. He lived in Trump tower, talked to Trump every day, has known Trump for over 30 years.

How long do you think it will be before he starts spilling his guts?

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I am so proud of him for doing this <3

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Best way to destroy any country from within, is to create lots and lots of these.

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>>3510751

>Socialism is putting power in the hands of the people not concentrating it at the top with the elites.

No, that's libertarianism. Socialism is exactly about elitism, since it puts the task of interpreting what the people want into a state/government.

Negative vs. positive liberty. Socialism is based on the latter, and it directly argues that the people are free as they act through the state, whereas negative liberty according to socialism is not liberty because you're not allowed to boss other people around in a collective manner.

No.3510771

Tough of course that's a mispresentation of negative liberty - there's nothing to say you can't band up and make collective demands. The only thing that negative liberty, libertarianism, really prohibits is for someone to claim "I know what's best for everyone else."

Positive liberty on the other hand is exactly the opposite. Because socialism defines the people not as a collection of individuals with individual ideas and wills, but as the interrelations of the individuals as part of a greater organism called the society, the individual is abstracted away and nobody can know their own best. That's why when socialism speaks of giving the power back to the people, they do not mean giving the individuals any sort of freedom or political/social power, but to the established state that is the manifestation of the whole collective social organism.

Therefore, as the people are not individuals under socialism, and only the individuals running the state can know what the people want or need, dictatorships automatically follow through inevitable corruption.

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>>3510751

>Socialism is your tax dollars being spent on things that help you, the tax payer.

Socialism is a collection of individuals sitting between the rich and the poor, pretending to help the poor while colluding with the rich to exploit the poor, in order to secure their own status and position as the third class of the society.

In earlier societies, there were the kings and the peasants, the workers and the owners, and the third class was the religious establishment that was basically in bed with the royalty. In the modern secular world, the state has simply replaced the church.

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>>3510772

> a collection of individuals sitting between the rich and the poor, pretending to help the poor while colluding with the rich to exploit the poor...

You just described capitalism.

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>>3510772

>In earlier societies, there were the kings and the peasants, the workers and the owners, and the third class was the religious establishment that was basically in bed with the royalty. In the modern secular world, the state has simply replaced the church.

And again, you just described capitalism. None of that is socialism. You really have no idea what the word even means, do you?

No.3510778

Look, you humans have had literally thousands of years to come up with a perfect form of government, yet you still have not, instead you have many of them, ALL of which are seriously flawed, and you squabble among yourselves over which is the best of the worst. Thousands of years. WTF is wrong with you?

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Socialism for Dummies:

I'll try keeping this really simple.

Imagine a world where when you get hired by the company you get a regular paycheck and you get a quarterly bonus based on how productive the company is. Instead of all the profits going to the top and vanishing into an offshore bank account, the profit is shared with the employees who in turn buy more stuff and have a better life enabling more profit for other companies who then pay their employees who buy more stuff and have a better life and so on and so forth.

It's called the Virtuous Cycle of economics. If you put money in the hands of the worker, they spend it and it creates more value in your economy. If it all goes to the top the economy just collapses under the bloat of inflation.

In a socialist system the employees get much more of the money the company earns and has more say in how the company progresses. It's basically got unions built into the system. You have management which is hired or fired by the workers collective will. Everyone is the boss not just the assholes at the top.

It's just like politics. The people at the top are suppose to work for you. You owe them nothing. If they don't do what you want, fire them and replace them. That's why establishment dems lose. They think they are in charge of the country not the people. The Republicans at least are smart enough to give their base what they want, even if what they want is insane. That is how they win.

Letting the workers/voters have the power=Socialism
Keeping the power at the top=Capitalism.

Even Communism is a form of capitalism because the power and money is gathered at the top and distributed to the masses.

Under socialism the money flows out from the bottom. Never from the top down.

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>>3510778

>The perfect system of economics.

No such thing exists. You need the right tools for the right job. Capitalism in and of itself is not evil. It's only unregulated capitalism that becomes destructive. In the same way unregulated socialism would be destructive. It's a matter of finding the correct balance. Capitalism for some things, socialism for others.

No.3510781

>>3510775

>>a collection of individuals sitting between the rich and the poor, pretending to help the poor while colluding with the rich to exploit the poor...
>You just described capitalism.

I described socialists who sit between the capitalists and the proletariat pretending to be for the people, while actually they are for themselves.

The system itself can be called any name you choose, depending on who you're blaming for it. You choose to identify the fault in the capitalists, while the real blame is in the state and the socialist elite which maintains the system.

>>3510776

>And again, you just described capitalism. None of that is socialism. You really have no idea what the word even means, do you?

Of course it isn't "socialism", because socialism is an unattainable self-contradictory idea that cannot be implemented. It always reduces back to the same system of exploitation, after which the wise words of Forrest Gump apply: "Stupid is as stupid does."

No.3510782

>>3510780

>In the same way unregulated socialism would be destructive.

Unregulated socialism is an oxymoron, because socialism is regulation. See >>3510771

>>3510779

>Imagine a world...
>It's just like politics. The people at the top are suppose to work for you. You owe them nothing. If they don't do what you want, fire them and replace them.

And that's where your idea of socialism disagrees with the basic argument of socialism. You're not describing socialism, you're describing libertarianism.

Under socialism, the political elite does NOT work for you. The state does not even recognize you as an individual, but rather defines itself as the manifestation of the people. The state knows what's best for you, regardless of your opinions, because the process is collective, not individual. Your individual opinions about the direction and purpose of the state are invalidated the moment they cross the opinions of the elite.

No.3510783

>>3510779

>Letting the workers/voters have the power=Socialism
>Keeping the power at the top=Capitalism.

Since socialism defines the people collectively, and defines the state as the manifestation of its collective will, what "giving power to the people" means under socialism is simply giving all the power to the top.

Strictly speaking, democracy under socialism is entirely unnecessary as the state already knows, nay, the state IS the people, so there's no need to vote over common matters. Whatever voting happens is merely to keep up the pretense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

>Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society.
>Democratic socialism is further distinguished from social democracy on the basis that democratic socialists are committed to systemic transformation of the economy from capitalism to socialism whereas social democracy is supportive of reforms to capitalism.

Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

>Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy. The protocols and norms used to accomplish this involve a commitment to representative and participatory democracy; measures for income redistribution and regulation of the economy in the general interest; and welfare state provisions.[1][2][3] Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model
No.3510784

>>3510779

> In a socialist system the employees get much more of the money the company earns and has more say in how the company progresses. It's basically got unions built into the system. You have management which is hired or fired by the workers collective will. Everyone is the boss not just the assholes at the top.

And that's a beautiful theory that fails spectacularly when implemented in practice.

I grew up in a socialist country. The concept was very much like this. The effects...

> You have management which is hired or fired by the workers collective will.

The workers want to do less work and get more benefits/money. And these two goals stand in direct opposition to each other. Cuts are being made on quality of materials, on upgrading the infrastructure, marketing, maintenance - products of inferior quality are still produced in amounts insufficient to satisfy the market, and shortages appear. Workers want lower taxes, but similar standard of public services, so the budget hole is fixed by printing more money; inflation goes rampart. There's no typical capitalist competition eliminating the worst from the market, because the government has an obligation to provide jobs to everyone, no matter how inept and lazy. People abuse benefits like paid medical leave, to dodge work, paying doctors for fake diagnosis and collecting more of public money. The inflation makes saving up money impossible, and credits can either be a trap with rates climbing with the inflation (faster than salaries) or are government-mandated for fixed rate meaning at the end the bank is losing a lot because you pay the same sum, which is worth much less.

There are two ways in which socialism can succeed: Either genetically alter human minds to remove laziness and greed, or push automation so far ahead, that nobody has to work to make a decent living; a guaranteed universal income at a level achievable through fully automated economy that doesn't require line workers - only these, who want to work because they like it, for the challenge, creativity and popularity, would work.

No.3510785

Ironically, the old hard-line socialists and communists called both social democracy and democratic socialism "social fascism".

Which it is, because of the unresolvable contradiction between state intervention (autocracy) and the free market. The government is either impotent against the capitalists, corrupt, or overbearing and stifling the economy causing more problems than it solves. It's a very fine knife-edge you have to walk in order to successfully implement any sort of socialism, and the task is given to people who are made incompetent to rule by the very structure of the system. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_knowledge_problem

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>>3510780

No.3510787

>>3510784
The basic fault of the socialist is assuming that they themselves are universally wise - that the socialists themselves aren't prone to irrationality or bad choices with insufficient information available to decide. In pursuit of the "general good", they forget that such overarching goals cannot be achieved, because they do not exist - there's always people who have different ideas.

>Either genetically alter human minds to remove laziness and greed, or push automation so far ahead, that nobody has to work to make a decent living

In the latter case, the biological imperative for man is to make more babies, which quickly consumes the available resources and then everyone's poor again and fighting for scraps. That then requires the state to implement an iron-fist culling policy where some people aren't allowed to breed at all, which quickly becomes a program of eugenics and turns into a post-modern version on Nazism. Oops.

No.3510788
>In a socialist system the employees get much more of the money the company earns and has more say in how the company progresses. It's basically got unions built into the system.

Which ironically describes how the NSDAP dealt with the issue of worker unions: they set up a national workers union as a part of the system.

Except for the part where the workers get to decide how the company operates, but that isn't true under other sorts of socialism either.

The only system where that might happen is under anarcho-syndicalism, but that's pretty far removed from socialism. Running companies by committees is generally a failing proposition, because of the bureacratic overhead and general lack of direction and vision caused by the averaging of the opinions of so many people. The more people are involved, the dumber and slower the board of a company becomes.

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>>3510787

>the biological imperative for man is to make more babies, which quickly consumes the available resources and then everyone's poor again

but this isn't true at all, which is why birth rates decline with economic prosperity.

No.3510790

>>3510789

I so hate when this is told EVERYWHERE.
The reason why "rich" countries has low birthrates maybe has something to do with that they:

Quality over quantity, and from that comes that there is less manual labour required because wealth and technology (home and at work).

You know in the poor countries, nearly everything is done by manual labour, they basically use their children for extra FREE labour, just look at the middle ages (why the peasants had 10-12 child, and look aside the lack of modern medicine).

No.3510791

>>3510789

>but this isn't true at all, which is why birth rates decline with economic prosperity.

That's a temporary effect caused by a semi-globally skewed age distribution. The last time when economic prosperity actually went up was after WW2 which caused a baby boom - these days those people are too old to have any more babies, and they're hogging the resources from the young people who would make babies but simply can't afford to.

There exists a sort of ratchet effect, where the society advances to some level or standard, which becomes the new zero. You're unlikely to raise children if you can't hold a job and you're living in a cardboard box - unless the government helpfully swoops in, sticks money in your pockets and shoves you in a project housing.

No.3510792

>>3510790

>You know in the poor countries, nearly everything is done by manual labour, they basically use their children for extra FREE labour

And under a welfare society which pays universal basic income to everyone, no questions asked, parents can gain more money for their disposal by having more children. The more babies you make, the more welfare you get, necessarily, because the state has to provide for all.

Same difference.

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>>3510784
so the best way to reduce joblesness is to force companies to remove automation from their factories and get people back working? i can dig it.

No.3510948

>>3510930

...wait, what?

No.3510949

>>3510930
also that would cost me my job, since I'm the automation guy in those factories.

No.3510951

>>3510930

>so the best way to reduce joblesness is to force companies to remove automation from their factories

Well, yes. Automation is expensive, and in a society that is trying to keep everyone alive and happy, it's just extra cost on top of the people who could be working for their own living instead of sitting on their asses.

But forcing isn't exactly the right word, because the people are cheaper workers than the robots as long as you're not trying to push some arbitrary minimum wage. to force the corporations to pay "welfare" to the people beyond what their work is worth. As the people vote to push the minimum wages up, the corporations do the obvious and build robots to displace the workers.

No.3510954

>>3510951

And you're getting 19th century capitalism with 16h shifts, no work safety and not enough income for anything beyond most miserable existence, never mind starting your own business. And owners of the companies getting filthy rich until they are murdered in a bloody revolution.

No.3510956

>>3510954
Those 19th century capitalists invented the welfare state, conceded to 8-hour work days and paid holidays etc. because the workers were revolting against inhumane conditions and were threatening to institute communism to get what they wanted. They started to figure out that maintaining their means of production and remaining rich means giving adequate living standards for the workers to keep them happy, because hurting the workers hurts the economy and hurts their own prosperity.

The workers aren't exactly powerless against the corporations - they can unionize and negotiate for better working conditions to some reasonable degree - it's just that the socialists started stoking the conflict and pushing the rift between the rich and the poor further to anger the people into supporting them, preventing any peace or compromize between the working and owning classes.

No.3510963

>>3510954
Point being that in a true democracy, the workers always outnumber the owners, so the latter is actually the weaker party and can only exist as long as they benefit the people in general.

In a real democracy, the state acts as the arbiter between the workers and the owners, between people and people, and as the state takes one side or the other it tips the scales - thoroughly ruining the whole process because the result is a kangaroo court. Neither the workers nor the owners can hold control over the government because the state holds all the power in this process, and that promptly corrupts it.

And that's why the socialists want to be in power. The 19th century capitalists found their power quickly diminishing almost like Marx envisioned, so they started taking pre-emptive actions to please the workers to stop the situation from escalating that far. That wasn't good enough for the socialists/communists, so they created this myth of the evil capitalists who only exploit the people even against their own interests.

No.3510966

As long as the state operates on law, and law alone - no arbitrary meddling and "regulating" going on - the system can work reasonably well to provide social justice. The moment the state defines itself as an active participant in the social question - a "progressive" state that tries to direct and lead the society in some direction, the state becomes corrupt and no social justice can follow.

No.3510968

>>3510956

> because the workers were revolting against inhumane conditions and were threatening to institute communism [...] because hurting the workers hurts the economy and hurts their own prosperity.

Well, yeah, a bit of a stretch. The communist revolution surely hurts the economy and prosperity of the rich, but otherwise they wouldn't give a shit and economy did better with the wage slaves than after the concessions.

> The workers aren't exactly powerless against the corporations - they can unionize and negotiate for better working conditions to some reasonable degree - it's just that the socialists started stoking the conflict and pushing the rift between the rich and the poor further to anger the people into supporting them, preventing any peace or compromize between the working and owning classes.

You're completely messing the timeline. The creation of the unions was the act of the socialists. The whole change towards more humane conditions, that was socialists making the demands. The socialists were the abused workers.

And in countries that had it especially bad, with especially powerful nobility and burgouise, compromise could not be reached, the influential not willing to yield any, and a bloody revolution followed.

The origin was very similar, but the difference local conditions prevented compromise. You can try to shift the blame onto Socialists as much as you like, but read up on life of a common man in Russia before the revolution, and read up on what the elites thought of it. The revolution was inevitable.

Of course everything went to shit as per >>3510784 but if you look at the 'eastern bloc' countries during the later years, say, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, as much as you might want to criticize it for all the shit going on there, and romaticize the czarist Russia, SU was a huge improvement to lives of common people compared to Russia under Czar Nicolas II.


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