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The other political thread hit it's bump limit and in order to preempt 3B and his shenanigans, let's start fresh.

With the Republicans having successfully passed their tax plan, they are now moving onto cutting "entitlement" spending to fund it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/01/gop-eyes-post-tax-cut-changes-to-welfare-medicare-and-social-security/

What do you think?

No.3490698
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>What do you think?

I like the GOP tax plan since I'll see an additional $300 in my paycheck every two weeks, though I would have preferred Hillary's plan that would have raised my taxes by a reasonable and sensible amount, i.e., not Bernie's oturageous and intolerable tax hike. Paul Ryan is correct, we have to tackle the budget and deficit. It's not good to spend more money than you have, that's never a recipe for success.

No.3490702

As mentioned in the other thread, it's bullshit. They recently cut taxes in times of economic prosperity when conventional wisdom is that that's when you raise taxes, since that's when people can most afford it, which then allows buffer room to cut them in times of hardship.
Instead, they're not only adding over a Trillion to the deficit (over 10 years), they're using that as an excuse to cut entitlements. And only future ones, obviously, because even the hardcore Randroids aren't dumb enough to try harming current retirees.

No.3490703
>As mentioned in the other thread

Why not keep it there?
Fuck your bump limit you know that thread will last another month. Fucking front page full of this shit.

No.3490704
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>>3490702

>it's bullshit. They recently cut taxes in times of economic prosperity when conventional wisdom is that that's when you raise taxes

Wow, this is one of the few times you'll see me actually agreeing with GFF. But he's correct. Take the Oil & Gas industry that I work in, which has been more profitable than ever with Trump just being in the White House because of all the regulations he's cut. The industry has been more profitable than ever, even without any tax cuts in place. Now when you consider that the corporate tax rate has been cut to almost half, I can't even imagine how well my company is going to perform in 2018 with all the extra cash.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Goldman-50-Oil-More-Profitable-Than-100-Oil.html

However, GFF is upset because it's the entitlements the he relies upon that'll get slashed to pay for my tax cuts. But he didn't want Hillary Clinton and her moderate, sensible tax plan because she's no different than Donald Trump. Ya know, "Douche v. Turd Sandwich" and all that shit. So, it's kinda hard to feel bad for him and 3B.

No.3490706

>>3490704
But he didn't want Hillary Clinton and her moderate, sensible tax plan because she's no different than Donald Trump.
Oh fuck right off with that - I'm not 3B. I voted Clinton in the general election, and even warned the people that were considering her election a foregone conclusion to not get cocky, that she didn't necessarily have the election in the bag even against a blowhard ignoramus like Trump.

No.3490708
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>>3490706

>Oh fuck right off with that - I'm not 3B. I voted Clinton in the general election

Just like you voted for Bernie in the primary? Yeah, color me skeptical considering all the whining, complaining, bitching and moaning you did against Hillary. Also, all of the times you plagiarized South Park and thought you were being cute by dropping the "Douche v. Turd Sandwich" line.

Yeah, I saw that episode too dipshit...back in 2004...when I was in high school just like you.

No.3490711

>>3490708
Quoting a show is plagiarism now? D'oh!

No.3490712

>>3490704

>dat pic

How much of a pathetic loser would have to be to talk about voting when it's the fucking apocalypse

No.3490716
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>>3490711

>Quoting a show is plagiarism now?

You spouted it so much I think you started to believe that you came up with it and you were totally original...even though I saw it years ago just like you.

Anyway, I hope the brief moments where you felt clever for dropping the line were worth getting screwed by the Republicans. I voted and fully supported Hillary and her campaign from day one so my conscience is clean.

captcha: unell...what ever happened to that guy?

No.3490718

>>3490716
I'm still shocked that Schulz won, honestly - one thing that's undisputed is that she ran the DNC into the ground through mismanagement, then tried covering it up rather than asking for advice.

As I said, the one lesson I hope the DNC takes to heart in light of that is to have more transparency within the upper echelon - if the chairperson is able to play the "right hand vs. left hand" game, that's now proven not to work well.

No.3490719
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>>3490718

>I'm still shocked that Schulz won, honestly

That's because you're not a Democrat and a retard to boot. She won the moment that her opponent Tim Canova couldn't name anybody in the district he was running in, no mayors or other leaders he would be expected to work with. He was such a shitty candidate that Bernie ultimately withdrew his support from that asshole.

Here's a tip moron: if you want to win a Congressional district, then you need to at least be able to point to the fucking district on the map! Just like if you want to win the Democratic nomination for President, then don't support an asshole who's done nothing but shit all over us Democrats for decades. Because we're just going to respond in kind by telling him and you to go fuck yourselves. Resumes to brainstorming what to do with all the extra money from the GOP tax plan

No.3490721

>>3490719
Okay, that'd explain it. I'll admit I didn't pay much attention to it, but if she was up against someone that ignorant of the District he was running for... yeah.

No.3490722
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>>3490721
That's exactly what happened in the debate. The moderator asked the name of the mayor of some city in the district and Canova tried to deflect with a line about "I won't play that 'gotcha question' game" and then Debbie immediately piped in with the mayor's name, how long he's been mayor and mentioned that she talks with him frequently. From that moment he lost, despite all of the bernout phonebanking and donations.

>I'll admit I didn't pay much attention to it

And yet you have an opinion...that you admitted was based on absolutely nothing...because you're a moron who doesn't base anything on facts just feelings.

No.3490723
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>GFF getting bitch slapped

See there's some good to these political threads.

No.3490726

>>3490722
Let me ask you something, then - are you happy with how Wasserman-Schulz ran the DNC? To the point that they had to basically take a loan from the Clinton campaign in order to not shut down entirely, which makes for very shady optics?

And before you berate me on that last point, the landlord for the building I work in is also the Highway Supervisor - he's nervous about the optics of sending plows out to clear the front out that I literally have to call him to ask when the snow's over hip-deep, otherwise he's more concerned with how it'd look come election time. The guy, I might add, has run unopposed for the past few elections. Just to give you an idea of how important optics are in the minds of the electorate.

No.3490728
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>>3490726

>are you happy with how Wasserman-Schulz ran the DNC?

Absolutely not, she and Barack Obama both bankrupted the DNC during his years. But that has nothing to do with Clinton.

>To the point that they had to basically take a loan from the Clinton campaign in order to not shut down entirely, which makes for very shady optics?

It wasn't shady and nothing has become of it because that same offer was made to Bernie and his campaign, however Bernie declined. What do you want us to do, force Bernie to do fundraisers on the behalf of the DNC like Hillary? It's not my fault Bernie has this bullshit "I'm an Independent...kind of...but also a Democrat...kind of" routine. Do you also want me to apologize to you because your Tim Canova couldn't do basic research on his district and lost to DWS?

No.3490729
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>>3490726
Now let me ask you a direct question since you did the same to me. Do you not understand how Bernie's inability to answer simple questions about his policies and plans, such as what powers the President has to enact his plans, would cost him significant support in your home state of New York? Remember that this was an interview with the New York Daily News.

Much in the same way that the people of Debbie's district wasn't much interested in replacing her with an asshole who literally knew nothing about the district in which he was running? You really can't understand that at all?

No.3490731

>>3490728
Again - shady optics. The deal could have been absolutely on the up-and-up and literally squeaky clean, but to the common person, it looks like a bribe. The fact that it was due to the DNC being effectively on life-support due to DWS' mismanagement arguably makes it worse, especially when she seemed to be pushing for Clinton to win while needing to appear neutral for voters not to cry "foul" - enter 3B.

>>3490729
Yeah, I can understand it - I never said I couldn't. I was mainly worried about how well Clinton would match up against Trump in the General election due to being less charismatic than he was, as that had also sunk the campaigns of John Kerry and Al Gore before her, not to mention the ongoing email investigation.

And turns out? Those concerns were justified come election day. And that's not even getting into the overt sexism - one elderly guy I know voted for Trump because he was worried that Clinton wouldn't be taken seriously by Muslim-majority countries, despite my arguing against that on grounds both of her being former Secretary of State and the existence of other female World Leaders, such as Angela Merkel. He regrets casting that Trump vote.

No.3490732
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>>3490731
I like how in the first point you completely ignored the fact that Bernie declined on that offer. That was fucking stupid. Do you disagree? Because all of this "optics" bullshit didn't deny Hillary the nomination nor cost DWS her seat.

>I was mainly worried about how well Clinton would match up against Trump in the General election

People don't vote based upon fucking polls about the general election during the primaries. Bernie was handled with kid's gloves and had a boost from the RNC who wanted to split the Democrats so that they could win with Trump. Take a look at the pic I posted, because that's why Trump won in 2016 and that's exactly how he'll win again if we go down that same route.

No.3490735

>>3490732
Because people weren't aware of it during the Primary - it could very well have cost her dearly back then, and did hurt her in the General election, though not nearly so much as the fucking email bullshit.

No.3490736

>>3490735
In short - yes, I disagree, and think it was smart of Sanders not to take the same deal, as it would have made him look like he was bribing the DNC.

No.3490738
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>>3490735
sigh Bernie was polling better against Trump during the primaries, 3B was very adamant about posting those. I don't vote based on polls and neither do most people. If polls were worth a shit then Hillary should be sitting in the White House as the polls predicted. Have you never seen that "In the Hall of Trumpen King" video on Youtube? Go to the second half with all the polls showing Hillary would easily defeat Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE-uhXKO-nk

>>3490736

>and think it was smart of Sanders not to take the same deal

Then don't bitch about how the DNC acted. If Bernie took the deal then the DNC would've been split between the Hillary and Bernie campaigns. You don't get to whine about how the DNC conducts it's business when you actively refuse any offers to fill it with your supporters.

No.3490745

>>3490738
A candidate didn't do something that could be mistaken for bribery - what a dumbfuck!

No.3490749

>>3490738

It is not easy to poll when the FBI decides to intentionally sink one candidate one week before the election. Late deciders swung to Trump and Jim Comey should be given the lethal injection.

No.3490750
>This is the most active thread on this dead as fuck board. Never moves off the first page.

Might as well change the name of this place to furipol, there is literally nothing left on this site in 2018 but this garbage. The cancer has consumed the host and won, everyone else fucked off. The circlejerk of /pol/ tards is stronger than ever.

No.3490752
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>>3490745

>A candidate didn't do something that could be mistaken for bribery - what a dumbfuck!

If it was bribery then Hillary and DWS would be in jail right now, because that's illegal. It's not bribery because Bernie was offered the same deal. We just didn't know that he'd be stupid enough to not take it.

But I have a feeling that Bernie didn't actually want the nomination. Much like Trump, I think he just wants to run but not actually win, and then whine about how it was rigged against him. Bernie Sanders made over a million dollars in 2016 from his book deals and sales of his merchandise. All thanks to morons like you GFF!

Maybe next time you take your money and time and invest it in a gym membership so you could actually attract women. I don't imagine that your marine brother has a problem getting laid.

No.3490754

>>3490752
Again - mistaken for bribery by the average voter, who are generally not legal scholars. To them, the adage of "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..." applies here.

And incidentally, I chipped in $5 to his campaign, and that's about the extent of it. Now go ahead and criticize me for not supporting him enough, we know it's gonna happen.

No.3490755
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>>3490753
Yeah, well you keep up that whole "buh-but it looks like bribery to me and other morons who know nothing about the law" routine. I'm sure it'll be just as useful as your whining about how women aren't interested in "nice" guys like you.

Oh well, take your condolence prize that you've helped boost Bernie into the 1% that you hate so much.

No.3490756

Also, in the latest from the asshole in the oval office, Trump pushed back his "Fake News Awards" because of "higher than expected interest".
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367834-trump-moves-back-fake-news-awards

The guy genuinely doesn't realize that most of that interest is from those mocking the everloving shit out of him for the idea.

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>>3490755
I'm sure it'll be just as useful as your whining about how women aren't interested in "nice" guys like you.

Yeah, no, I got over that shit in my mid-Twenties. The blame lies squarely on my being a largely asocial introvert living in a rural area, and I'm largely resigned to being a bachelor for life, which is different from the fucking "Men Going Their Own Way" bullshit in that I actually recognize I'm the one at fault for it.

And again, the appearance of impropriety can sometimes be more damaging than actual impropriety - if someone gets away with giving or receiving a bribe, they suffer no consequences, whereas if someone looks like they're taking a bribe when it's instead being given for a legitimate reason, people will still cry foul over it.

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>>3490754

>Now go ahead and criticize me for not supporting him enough, we know it's gonna happen.

Well, you were too stupid to actually vote for him in the primary so...

What about your marine brother? Was he also too stupid to be able to vote for Trump in the primary? Or does he also distinguish himself from the the failure that is you in that regard as well? Ya know, in addition to actually being able to at least hold a girl's hand.

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>>3490760

>the appearance of impropriety

Ah, so important considering that it cost Hillary the nomination and Trump the election. Are you done being a fucking idiot and are ready to just admit that you nothing about politics considering that you've gotten nothing out of the last several years? Remember, I have no problem with the GOP tax cuts, you do.

>I'm largely resigned to being a bachelor for life

I'm sure you have, I can't imagine many women getting wet for a poor, whiny faggot who works as a clerk for the Post Office in the middle of bumfuck, New York and bleats about Bernie as much as you do. I bet your Trump-supporting marine brother must have be leading a very different life...

No.3490765

>>3490761
My brother is largely apolitical, and hates when the topic comes up at family gatherings, so I'm reasonably sure he's an Independent and happy about it.

Though you know who couldn't vote for Trump in the Primary? His own kids - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trumps-kids-cant-vote-for-their-dad-thats-no-laughing-matter/2016/04/14/5cc603dc-0272-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html?utm_term=.e24284c887e2 - which I'll reiterate is genuinely bizarre that NY has such an extensive period where you have to swap registrations in order to vote in a Primary. I understand the rationale, but a half-year is excessive.

No.3490768

>>3490764
and bleats about Bernie as much as you do
And once again you seem to be confusing me for 3B - I keep trying to shift it to current events rather than dwelling on the Primary, as mentioned >>3490756.

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>>3490765
Trump didn't need his kids to vote for him to win New York, however Bernie sure could've used your vote so at least he didn't lose as bad as he did. Wait, you do know that the Democratic primary splits the delegates based on the percentage you win by? It isn't a "winner-take-all" like the general. Did you not know that?

>>3490768
Well, you've done nothing but shill for Bernie and his candidates like Tim Canova (while ironically knowing nothing about the primary process or their campaigns it seems) so...

No.3490779
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>>3490729

>Do you not understand how Bernie's inability to answer simple questions about his policies and plans, such as what powers the President has to enact his plans, would cost him significant support in your home state of New York?

Translation: Don't you understand how little my opinion of Bernie is based in reality? The only thing I know about him is what other Hillary cultists have told me and I'll fight to remain ignorant because admitting someone other than Hillary has valid view points is against the rules of my cult.

>>3490732

>Bernie was handled with kid's gloves...

Yeah, the DNC only created an new multi-Million dollar media corporation targeting facebook, Reddit, and twitter with 24 hours paid employees to create posts, videos, and memes that attacked him, his wife, his religion, his lack of religion, called him racist, sexist, a sexual predator, an embezzler, someone who's votes made it possible for the shooting at Sandy Hook then made it impossible for the families of the victims to sue the weapons manufacturer, (On the same day those families were in court doing exactly that)

Hillary called his plans unrealistic, questioned his mental and physical fitness for the job, said he was unqualified because of his age, said he was unqualified because he lacked international experience, said he was too white, too male, too unpopular with minorities (In spite of thousands of people of all kinds showing up at his every stop, having a more diverse campaign crew than Clinton, and letting BLM speak at his Rallies multiple times before he went on.)

Oh, and let's not forget Bill Clinton accused Sanders of paying to dump live, radioactive nuclear waste on a town of immigrants on the boarder of Mexico. While the media literally played live footage of Trump's empty podium instead of his speeches in order to try and silence his platform.

I'm sure the Republicans would have just crushed someone treated with such a gentle touch.

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>>3490752

>But I have a feeling that Bernie didn't actually want the nomination...

Which is why in spite of the DNC literally kicking thousands of likely Bernie voters off the voter rolls in New York, limiting locations poor people could vote in multiple states, making it so that you had to know the magic words "Democratic Cross-Over Ballot" to have your vote counted in California if you weren't a registered democrat, the millions of votes they just didn't bother to count in California because Hillary was declared the "Clear winner" he worked so hard he closed a 60 point lead and tied Hillary in the race so that it was only the super-delegates that forced her to be the winner?

That's something corporate shill Democrats don't want to admit. Even with all the massive advantages Hillary had, and entire establishment at her back, the media in her pocket, the cheating, the lying, the money laundering, she still couldn't win.

The DNC literally had to force her on us using Super-Delegates and when they did, the voters left.
The DNC is going to do the same thing again, and again we are going to work as hard as we can to overpower their cheating. If anyone other than Sanders wins the primary Trump will win the General because it will just prove to all the actual liberals that the DNC hasn't changed. They are still cock sockets for the 1%.

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>>3490779

>The only thing I know about him is what other Hillary cultists have told me

That wasn't me, that was the New York Daily News, and unfortunately for you, they have a voice in New York. Someone who wants to be leader but can't answer the most basic questions like what powers the president has, that's a recipe for disaster.

The rest of your post in unfounded conspiracy so I'm just gonna move on and suggest that whatever meds you take, you should double the dose.

>>3490780

>The DNC literally had to force her on us using Super-Delegates

Looks like you may be developing some Alzheimer's with that autism 43B. Hillary won both pledged and super delegates. It was Sanders who tried to override Hillary's pledged delegates by courting the super delegates after trashing them. Like most things involving Sanders, he failed at that too and ultimately bent knee to our Queen at the convention. Because he's a cuck who attracts other cucks like you, GFF, sorrowful, nobuyuki, etc.

No.3490784
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>>3490781

>Hillary won both pledged and super-delegates...

Yes, with all the voter suppression and bribes she did get more... but not enough. You need to reach a certain number in order for you to be declared the victor. Neither she nor Sanders reached that number. It was literally, only the Super-Delegates which she purchased 14 months before the first vote was ever cast that decided the race. The DNC sold her the nomination she didn't win it and the DNC is gearing up to do the same thing again.

Take a step back and look at your own argument that Bernie could have paid the DNC more and got them to work for him.

It is literally un-democratic. You are berating him for not embracing a system where your vote doesn't matter. You are saying he is a failure because he chose not to cheat you out of your rights as an American while she did and you see nothing wrong with that.

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>>3490784
Oh 43B, you're getting confused about the California race, when the media rightfully declared Hillary the winner because her combined pledged and super delegate count already put her over the edge. Bernie would have needed to win 101% of the votes in California to beat her in pledged delegates alone.

Now I understand you have trouble with math, well at least real math and not Bernie math, but 101% is physically impossible. Maybe you can have your fellow bernout Sorrowful explain it to you. He used to brag about taking AP Calculus in high school so he has to know at least a little about math.

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>>3490785

>the media rightfully declared Hillary the winner because her combined pledged and super delegate count...

Again you show you have no idea how the system actually works. Super-delegates votes don't actually exist until the Democratic convention which is after the race is over. The Super-delegate count that the news kept talking about was based on rumor alone. Those super-delegates could have voted either way and in fact should have voted for Sanders if the party wasn't corrupt because it is the job of the S-D to vote for the person most likely to win, not the person who gave the biggest bribes.

Again, you are confirming for all the world to see that you are perfectly ok with the Democratic Party selling the nomination to the highest bidder which makes your vote and everyone else's meaningless.

Dude, you are in a cult.

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>>3490787

>The Super-delegate count that the news kept talking about was based on rumor alone.

No, it was based on actually asking the superdelegates who they supported. The superdelegates aren't hidden. Hillary is one, and so is Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and virtually all of the elected Democrats, both current and past, at all levels. Do you not remember when the Democrats in Congress booed Bernie? It's not a secret that he isn't liked by most of his colleagues because he's an asshole, and that includes those have worked with him.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-house-democrats-225161

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>cucks like you, GFF, sorrowful, nobuyuki

3B and GFF display their obeisance regularly but what's wrong with Sorrowful and Nobu-san?

No.3490792

>>3490780
Bernie doesn't even have to win the primaries. He just needs to lose them fairly. Fair and square, Hillary gets 51%, Sanders gets 49%, all votes counted, no miracles at counting, no blocking, no cheating, fine, Hillary goes. But if they repeat the shitshow, they repeat the general too.

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>>3490792 fairly odd parents is a terrible show.

No.3490819

>>3490784

ironically, this image also applies to Trump fanatics.

>>3490790
Asshole to who?
If you found that your teammate who is a member of your political affiliation is crooked as shit and sells out fo big corp.. Id be an ass to them too.

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>>3490792

>Bernie doesn't need to win. He just needs to lose fairly...

Holy fucking God, this! If some other progressive wins then great but the DNC is already changing the rules and stacking the deck in favor of the corporate whore with the most money. They are flooding the field with younger candidates and moving California to the front of the race which is the most expensive state to campaign in so the person with the most money will automatically start with a huge lead over everyone else. They are already trying to fuck over anyone not part of the Olympic level 1% cock sucking team.

I think they can't help it. They are going to cheat and they are going to give Trump a second term. I don't have faith in much but I have faith that the DNC will fuck up in the worst way possible every time if you don't stop them.

No.3490849

Leftypol is that way:
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>>3490790

Did you read the article you posted about Democrats booing Bernie? They literally booed him because he said that electing Hillary wasn't as important as changing the way politics works and ending the influence of corporations.

They booed him because he was telling them to stop taking bribes then fucking you over and you think that's a bad thing...???

No.3491017

>>3490791

basically? I'm squatting his brain shack. Set up a shitpost lab there, too. He probably hates Sorrowful for being an oldschool Democrat who is actually telling the truth about the establishment bullshit and no one likes being called out on their bullshit, even if it isn't addressed to them directly.

Says a lot about a person's ego when they go after someone who isn't even talking to (or about) 'em after something factual or dry was said, but was perceived as a personal slight.

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>>3490819

>Asshole to who?

To pretty much anybody who has to work with him. Just ask his staffers who describe a nearly intolerable, cranky old man who needs a nap.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657

>They characterize the senator as rude, short-tempered and, occasionally, downright hostile. Though Sanders has spent much of his life fighting for working Vermonters, they say he mistreats the people working for him.
No.3491033
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>>3491017

>He probably hates Sorrowful

I don't hate him, never said I did. Do I hate you? Sure, you're a gamer-gate gaytheist pedophile faggot who rants over 3 threads because some random furry artsite decided to rescind it's decision to allow cub porn.

But that doesn't change the fact that Sorrowful shares very similar characteristics with the rest of you bernouts (GFF, 3B, etc.) who did nothing but bitch about Hillary Clinton, and that basically just amounts to being a poor, broke useless stain on the underpants of society. He used to brag about taking AP Calculus in high school, so did I, and then I went to earn two master's in engineering fields and he went on to....work for the Census Bureau.

He and GFF (and I'm sure you and 3B as well) have needed to rely upon government handouts and welfare in order to survive. Now those handouts are on the chopping block, and you people have nobody but to blame but yourselves.

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>>3491030
>>3491033
Something smells like ham.

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>>3491030

>Let me post this mostly made up story by a political hack with an axe to grind and pretend it's real journalism...

https://twitter.com/paulheintz

This guy is a Clinton cultist. He is obsessed with slandering Sanders at every opportunity. He's still tweeting about the FBI asking the former head of the college Bernie's wife worked at questions in December of 2015 saying that them questioning anyone at all means the investigation is ongoing and they are closing in on Sanders. Mind you, the "FBI agents" who asked the questions never actually identified themselves as FBI but the guy who was asked questions is pretty sure that's who it was. Sounds legit...??

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2018/01/08/feds-interview-pomerleau-in-burlington-college-investigation

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>>3491033

Let it go dude. She lost. The neo-liberal, republican-lite philosophy she represents has been firmly rejected by America. If you want to keep pushing your trickle down propaganda then be a republican. We're not having it.

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>>3491040

Pssst. The feds have moved forward with subpoenaing witnesses for testimony in the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/burlington-college-trustee-says-she-had-federal-interview/2018/01/08/2fbd141c-f446-11e7-9af7-a50bc3300042_story.html?utm_term=.bd38c64606f7

GFF likes to babble about optics and I gotta say that this FBI case isn't good for optics.

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>>3491043
How's this for optics, porkfucker?

No.3491047

>>3490911

You sure these weren't "corralled" chills?
aka "fans" paid to do shit and applaud the leader?

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump started to do the same just to get his ego happy on events.

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>>3491043

And again you post an article of someone talking about old news as if it is new news because there is no actual news.

It even says in the article you just linked, "As best we can tell, the current news reports are simply recycling an account of a government interview of a witness from several months ago."

No.3491095

>>3491044

In communism, and socialism, we still see elite at the top who eat with silver spoons. Gilded chairs, white linens, and rich meals made from the eggs of urchins and fish.

How delusional you are, to accept a ruling wealthy elite, simply because they make sure people like you are equally as poor as the next, rather than letting you suffer your poverty alone.

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>>3491095

But what communism and socialism do is make those elites have a lot more because the middle class is completely gutted.

So in socialist and communist governments you have the super super elite rich folks, and the down in the gutter poor people, but the rich folks keep telling the poor people that they're "free".

Just like Bernie. Broke ass lower didn't skip a beat getting his gibs. Mansions, fancy cars, money, just proves he didn't care about all the socialist bullshit he spouts, especially when someone like Hillary comes along and pays him to throw the election.

No.3491103
>allowing the poor and needs to starve and die because rich people need their 5 houses and 20 cars

I'd rather we shoot Gene Simmons, Lars Ulrich, Michael Bay and all these other useless asshole celebs, take their money, and keep these social programs.

No.3491115
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>>3491103

Comrade, you are thinking too small. Those are only the most noticeable bourgeoisie. The rest of the capitalist pigs are equally insufferable and vile, but you do not hate them because they stay hidden away from the public eye.

Social programs are merely the beginning. When we seize the means of production in the 21st Century, there will be a new industrial revolution, and work itself will become a thing of the past.

No.3491121

>>3491115

So you're a lazy. Got it. Your end goal is not to work. What good will those means of production be if you're refusing to use them?

No.3491122

>>3491121

Incorrect. My end goal is to get paid not to work. Because a robot will be doing all the work.

Your end goal, on the other hand, is to have no work and no payment. Because a robot will be doing all the work. You are a retard with no eyes to see what's happening all around you. You scream and wail about how the "lazy" communists should work harder, like a cow proudly marching up the ramp into the slaughterhouse, all while smugly condemning the "lazy" cows that refuse to follow that path.

And better still, in this metaphor you actively help point the cattleprod to ensure that nobody gets to escape. This is why you belong in a gulag. We communists will allow you to enjoy the slaughterhouse. It's what you've always wanted anyway.

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Have any of you set foot on a factory floor lately? Of course not, you're all a bunch of miserable asocial leeches. But if you had, you would notice that workers are disappearing, and in their place we now have more and more robots. For now, we need engineers to keep the robots running, but it won't be long before we automate that job as well. Labor's days are numbered, and we have a choice between seizing the automated means of production now, or allowing the few at the top to benefit for a brief time before society crumbles.

No.3491125

>>3491123

>>Have any of you set foot on a factory floor lately?

Have you?

No.3491126

>>3491125
Yes, of course. I implied as much in my comment. This is why the Glorious People's Educational System will teach basic reading comprehension, so people like you can pick up on such obvious details.

No.3491127

>>3491122

>>Incorrect. My end goal is to get paid not to work. Because a robot will be doing all the work.

The reason why you choose to be lazy does not alter the fact that you are lazy. The two are not connected concepts. If they are connected concepts, that makes you a nihilist, and really, that means you should just end your life now because it amounts to nothing when the universe dies.

>>Your end goal, on the other hand, is to have no work and no payment.

Funny. I am a hobby welder and blacksmith. I repair things for people, and I make custom solutions for custom problems. I own my means of production, I am my means of production, and I have a better work ethic than you, all on top of being my own boss.

No company is making "Repair" robots, they're making bullshit for buy-and-toss consumers. I have business in 6 neighboring towns/cities because there's no one else really doing what I do because it's too much thinking, too much travel, and too much talent.

>>And better still, in this metaphor you actively help point the cattleprod to ensure that nobody gets to escape.

I escaped. Sorry your bullshit major didn't help you become self sufficient. Maybe if you weren't isolated from concepts like hard work, and not deserving a life long participation trophy of "Basic income" you'd get that.

No.3491128

>>3491122

Also, on that whole escape thing. Just no. You're the cow that's telling other cows "You make the milk, you become the steaks, and because we're brothers and sisters, I will eat your hay for you, but I will not participate."

If you want off this ride, fine, go live off the grid. Become a grey man. Don't expect for a fucking minute that you're entitled to anything from anyone who chooses to take part in the social contract, however.

No.3491129

>>3491123
Depends on the factory. Heavy machinery? Yeah, pretty easy to incorporate an automated production line, and worth the expense compared to injured backs and the like. A beverage plant? Not so much. They automate what they can, but it's cheaper to get temps to load in the packaging for the goods (whether it's the bottles or the boxes they ship out in) than it'd be to try fully automating it.

No.3491130

>>3491127
None of this addresses the actual problem, because you are a shallow thinker too dimwitted to see the full scope of the problem. Your cute little "work ethic" is nothing compared to the machines that already exist to replace you and all your fellow workers. And as AI continues to improve, more workers will be displaced.

But I'm sure your job as a "hobby welder and blacksmith" will shield you from all that. That's going to be in real demand. Dumbass kulak scum.

No.3491131

>>3491127
No company is making "Repair" robots, they're making bullshit for buy-and-toss consumers.

Now this I can actually agree with. It's why repair shops are almost completely gone, since most people figure it's more cost-effective to just buy a new fridge or microwave than it'd be to take it in for repairs (unless it's under Warranty).

And to piggyback on my previous comment, the plant I worked in went down for a solid few weeks because part of the production line had a broken part, resulting in ground-up apples spilling everywhere below the main hopper. The engineers on-site managed to Jerry-rig a temporary fix because they didn't have a replacement part, but it also meant running at half-capacity while dumping product all over the floor.

And by the end of it, the part hadn't come in for so long that one of the engineers drove about 2-4 hours away just to purchase the necessary replacement instead. And all because it'd be considered "frivolous" and a waste of money to have a spare part on-hand.

No.3491132

>>3491130

I'll figure something else out. See, I'm self reliant. Where as you are a little twig of a man, one that needs guidance counselors and hand-holding, because you have no faith in your ability to stand for anything other than a rejection of doing anything.

I suppose it comes natural, if you do not believe you can achieve, simply stand against achievement. That'll fix the "problem" right?

No.3491134

>>3491129

Don't be naive, factory jobs are already dinosaurs. We're beyond discussing the fate of the factory worker.

https://www.automationworld.com/article/food-and-beverage/future-food-and-beverage-industry

I'm talking about the automation of white collar jobs. Silicon valley is actively working on ways to completely replace traditionally "middle class" jobs with AI. It's going to happen faster than you think.

The idiot says that we should just allow porky to own all the machines and reap all the rewards while the rest of us starve in the cold. The Luddite says that we should try to fight the inevitable rise of automation and AI research. Only the Communist is brave enough to admit that we should embrace automation, and use it to benefit society as a whole.

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>>3491132

>concrete examples of how society as a whole is heading toward a crisis due to automation, putting the majority of the population out of work
>"I'll figure something else out"
>wtf where did all the jobs go, surely those lazy communists did this
No.3491136

>>3491134

Again, you want the food meant for the milk and meat cows, while being neither. Why should you have anything you have not earned? Why? At least the wealthy made choices, sold their soul, betrayed kin and friend alike. At least the middle-class man has bad knees, or a bad back, or arthritic hands from coding. What do you suffer from? What have you suffered for? You are a child, demanding an adult's portion.

No.3491137

>>3491136

You still haven't addressed the topic at hand, dimwit. Automation does not care how "hard" you work. You cannot perform the job better than a machine. And so, according to Capitalism, this means that you are worthless. You refuse to address this point because it is so obviously true.

You are in a very real sense the cow smirking and mocking his way up the ramp. And again, we need to put scum like you into gulags so that we can move forward without suicidal morons like yourself holding us back.

No.3491139
>>You still haven't addressed the topic at hand, dimwit.

You do not address why you deserve things for no reason other than you are alive.

>>Automation does not care how "hard" you work. You cannot perform the job better than a machine.

So you believe that every job is worth what it costs to create a machine to do it? You believe that literally every form of work will be done by machines? According to you, literally every last job will be done by a robot.

Seems like a blind assertion with little proof.

>>And so, according to Capitalism, this means that you are worthless.

No, YOU are worthless. Others still have worth. YOU, living on starvation benefits, will naturally produce less sex hormones, have less children, and the population will naturally reduce itself. As this increases with automation, the human population will grow smaller. It will be better for the planet, better for the limited resources we have.

>>You refuse to address this point because it is so obviously true.

Not because it is true, but because it is more fun to remind you how worthless you are.

>>You are in a very real sense the cow smirking and mocking his way up the ramp. And again, we need to put scum like you into gulags so that we can move forward without suicidal morons like yourself holding us back.

As long as you do it without my hay, more power to you. You have my blessing. But stop stealing the food from my mouth, and those of my own kids, and tell me you're doing it for our mutual benefit. I'm fine with the way things are, you're the ingrate.

No.3491140

>>3491139

Robot automation will 'take 800 million jobs by 2030' - report
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42170100

Elon Musk Thinks Automation Will Lead to a Universal Basic Income
http://fortune.com/2016/11/06/elon-musk-universal-basic-income/

Local retard ID:0dILDXT8 has not been following the news, mocks person who has
https://lulz.net/furi/res/3490696.html

No.3491141

>>3491139

And just for fun, I found this exciting website.
https://willrobotstakemyjob.com/51-4121-welders-cutters-solderers-and-brazers
https://willrobotstakemyjob.com/51-4022-forging-machine-setters-operators-and-tenders-metal-and-plastic

No.3491142

There's 7 Billion on the planet by 2030. There's 6.6 Billion right now. There's 5 Billion jobs right now.

I'm not going to have a panic attack over 800 million jobs.

No.3491143

>>3491141

Both those are talking about products. Specifically, working on commercial products to sell as new. Doesn't really hurt me as a guy that is making a custom 3,000 gallon fish tank frame stand tomorrow, and repairing a truck axle Friday, and going out to a bumpkin area Monday to turn out some horse shoes.

Nice try though!

No.3491144

>>3491142
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/11/robots-jobs-employees-artificial-intelligence

Of course you're not, you're a shallow thinker as we've already established. Where do you suppose all those robots are going to be built? Will they all be set up in poor, struggling nations where population growth is the highest? Or will they all be set up in the wealthy nations? Think hard, dimwit.

And that's not taking into account what will happen when 800 million people in the wealthiest parts of the world suddenly don't have jobs anymore. I'm sure "you'll figure something out" as they start turning to crime.

No.3491146

>>3491143

>bragging about having an unstable gig-based job with no future

Bitch please.

No.3491149

>>3491144

Actually, it's much more likely that the hours worked at a job will go down. This almost happened in the 1990s before the bubble popped. There was enough prosperity and excess wealth (or so they thought) that working 30 hours a week was going to become full time employment rather than 40.

This is especially true in an economy driven by entertainment, which an automated society would be very driven towards.

>>3491146

People break things, everything humans do comes with it some form of decay. It's never been unsteady for me. Only time I have regretted it is when it gets hot and I am being a pussy about too much sunshine.

No.3491150

>>3491149
Yeah you'll never regret your career in hobbyist level blacksmithing. especially when you're 65 and have arthritis

No.3491151

>>3491150
He's a shallow thinker. Let him go make horseshoes in a gulag.

No.3491152

Part of being human, man. We have our time in the sun, we make kids, we get old, decay and die.

No.3491153

>>3491152
Yeah okay lol

If you got a real job you could save up and retire but keep braggin about your shit dead end gig career

You can drive my uber when you're 80 and still working

No.3491154

>>3491136

The most wealthy people are just born into it. They do nothing to earn it. Hell, corporations get way more welfare than humans do. The most profitable corporations in America get billions in kickbacks and "support" from our tax dollars. Walmart is a good example. We let them keep wages desperately low then feed, maintain and house their workers with tax subsidies. The 1% are way bigger moochers than the working class or the poor could ever hope to be.

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>>3491153

>You can drive my uber when you're 80 and still working...

It's adorable that you think people are going to be allowed to drive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/technology/uber-deal-volvo-self-driving-cars-.html

No.3491164

>>3490787

>Those super-delegates could have voted either way and in fact should have voted for Sanders if the party wasn't corrupt

"WE DON'T CARE IF BERNIE GOT FEWER VOTES. KNOW YOUR PLACE, NON-WHITES THAT VOTED CLINTON" would have gone over really well.

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>>3491164

>I have no real argument so I'm going to scream racism.

If neither candidate won the required votes and the Super-Delegates job was to pick the person most likely to win, then picking the single most hated democrat in the history of the democratic party who was under FBI investigation, had no platform, was wildly unpopular and couldn't fill a high school gymnasium was probably the wrong choice, unless they were paid.

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https://ychan.net/f/donkey+babes/

No.3491167

>>3491165

>If neither candidate won the required votes and the Super-Delegates job was to pick the person most likely to win

If neither candidate wins the required votes the SDs are going to go with the one that got the most votes from actual democratic voters, and then the losing candidate gets to pick out most of the platform and give input on the VP, because duh.

Besides, you have no way of knowing who had the best chance. Without Comey deciding to commit treason, Clinton wins and we get four years of impeachment hearings and a blocked empty SCOTUS seat, but no handouts to the rich.

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No.3491190

>>3491154

This is bullshit. The "Rich" in general did something to earn their wealth. More than half of millionaires are first generation. The reality is that generational wealth gets pissed away the moment you end up only having someone like Paris Hilton as an heir to the family. (Not saying that is always the case, sometimes daddy makes a good safety net after his death, but then it's the generation after "Paris" because Daddy wasn't around to guide the ship for the grand kids. )

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>>3491190

You have been reading propaganda again. The fact is very few people ever make it from rags to riches and those that do usually have very wealthy friends to invest in them. It takes money to make money.

https://inequality.org/research/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/

Anyone in the top 1% who tells you they earned it all on their own is either arrogant or ignorant of the advantages they had over 99% of us.

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate

No.3491208

>>3491192

Uh. Facebook? Reddit? Myspace? Paypal? Google? Microsoft?

Does Elon Musk ring a bell?

You're the commies, don't tell me for a fucking minute about "Propaganda." That's like a priest telling me how fanatical Muslims are about their faith.

No.3491211

>>3491208
Except communist propaganda is accurate.

No.3491212

>>3491211

Sure. Sure it is kid. Communism is the perpetual motion of politics. If only things like friction and the law of momentum didn't exist!

No.3491213

>>3491211

"It NEVER, NEVER TRICKLES DOWN" for example.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/wal-mart-raises-u-s-hourly-wage-to-11-in-wake-of-tax-overhaul

Ah fuck. Suppose that's not true.

No.3491214

>>3491192

What has the Kardashians done to "earn" all the money they rake in?

No.3491215

>>3491208

>Does Elon Musk ring a bell?

Yes. He started an online software company with his daddy's money, and $6,000 from his brother, and then successfully scammed a bunch of angel investors for $10 million in investments during the dotcom bubble. Elon was left with 7% in shares, and when the company was sold to Compaq to steamroll way for their AltaVista search engine, Elon cashed his stocks and got $22 million and his brother got $15 million.

That money was then used to buy PayPal in a company merger with Elon's new dotcom bubble company that was failing to get off the ground. Eventually Musk was thrown off the company board, but he still had the money, so he came up with a new scam: Tesla.

He's not a brilliant engineer. He's a school dropout who's had luck with investments, and who's really good at impressing people with bullshit and presenting other people's work as his own. He inherited Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.

No.3491220

>>3491214

Made public spectacles of themselves and throw away their privacy. Do you really think it's peachy, being hounded by media? Almost all long term reality TV stars end up dying of addiction or go to prison. It's not healthy and it's not happy.

>>3491215

So he's good at parting fools from their money, you're telling me. Sounds like a skill to me. Sounds like it also backs up what I was saying about money not lasting after the kids get ahold of it, where do you think those angel investors come from?

You should thank him, there are fewer millionaires thanks to him by your account.

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>>3491213

>Walmart raised their wages because of the tax cut...

So why did they start raising it in 2015 when there was no tax cut and again in 2016 and 2017? They have been bumping up wages every year because it was the only way they can keep employees. It had nothing to do with the tax cuts and everything to do with the fact they are a shit company to work for so no one wants to work there for 7 dollars and hour.

Another fun fact in the article you linked that you seem to have missed is that these bonuses and increases are based on seniority so new workers will see nothing and part time workers will see nothing. This is a gift to management not to the average worker. Over 63% of Walmart's work force is part time according to estimates. Walmart doesn't actually release that data because if it did people would see how little they are paying people.

No.3491262

>>3491231

Why should you get a loyalty bonus if you're a new full timer? Why should you get a loyalty bonus if it takes you 6 months of working to put in as many hours as a full time does in 4 months? Figures the socialist commie would expect equal outcomes instead of compensation based upon value provided.

And are you really that bad at math? You think this hike to 11$ is equivalent to the hike in 2015 of a fucking quarter? Especially when it's nation wide and not state by state? You realize that walmart workers in Texas and Tennessee are still making 9 dollars an hour prior to this? A 2$ raise in states with no state income tax is fucking huge.

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>>3491262

Yeah, they finally released the details. You get a 1000 bonus if you've been working there 20 years so... like... 2 people? 3 people?

Unless of course those employees worked at one of the 29 Walmart shut down forever without warning today just like AT&T and Verison got tax cuts then fired a bunch of people.

https://thinkprogress.org/walmart-bonus-layoffs-ed187882b011/

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>>3491213 You forget the follow-up. Several Sam's Club stores are closing.. several without warning. Show up to work... store's closed.

No.3491289

>>3491212
Except none of that is true. Communism works great when scum like you aren't trying to sabotage it.

No.3491293

>>3491213
a bunch of people just lost their jobs, retard

No.3491294

Why should I care? Many more people still have jobs and are being paid more. You didn't give a fuck about the rust belt workers. You cared not for the coal miners. You vilified the coal miners. You vilify the private farmer.

It's almost like you only care about workers when it's advantageous to you.

No.3491301

>>3491294

>why should I care

The entire rightwing ideology boiled down to just four words. Rightwingers are evil trash.

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>>3491301

No.3491305

>>3491294
Speaking of coal miners, a Pennsylvania mine was just closed by the company, citing that production was down, leaving 370 workers out of a job come March 2nd - https://www.triplepundit.com/2018/01/trouble-coal-country-370-mining-jobs-lost-one-blow/

In brighter news, the United Mine Workers of America got a $3 million State grant to provide for retraining workers - https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2018/01/11/umwa-gets-3m-state-grant-for-center-to-retrain.html

Unfortunately, due to Trump's promises to bring it back, coal miners (and their families) are reluctant to train in a different field - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-effect-coal-retraining-insight/awaiting-trumps-coal-comeback-miners-reject-retraining-idUSKBN1D14G0; and the Trump administration wants to cut funding for such retraining on a Federal level - http://www.timeswv.com/news/trump-budget-cuts-funds-for-unemployed-miners/article_bf6520e8-40fd-11e7-a009-af5bf810a9dc.html

No.3491330
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Coal is an industry that only Republicans want to save because it's a tiny, tiny fraction of the job market making a product that fewer and fewer people use every year.

It's like spending tax money to save the tie-dyed t-shirt industry. Who the fuck cares? Get a new job that makes something useful and the market will reward you with job security.

No.3491340

>>3491294

>You cared not for the coal miners. You vilified the coal miners

Yes, because they want to give themselves and others cancer for the sake of tradition and because they think cleaner tech is for sissy-boys. This is not an exaggeration. Everyone who doesn't hate coal is an evil cunt.

No.3491344

>>3491340
How do you feel about nuclear?

No.3491353

>>3491294

> Many more people still have jobs and are being paid more.
>paid more.

According to who?

No.3491354

This comic explains it perfectly.

https://digitalsynopsis.com/inspiration/privileged-kids-on-a-plate-pencilsword-toby-morris/

The comic shows specifically how a kid:

Gets paid a tutor.
Gets a well level school.
Parents pay all the needs.
Parents are at home and help the kid.
Parents push for Uni.
Parents give "links" and contacts for employee opportunities or internships.
Parents wealth levels helps the young man get his loans. or his rich parents give the young man a super easy to pay loan.
Contacts balance the parent's rich status as success and put you into pedestal with biggest opportunities.
Young man reaches the top of the cuspide thanks to a giant fucking golden elevator while everyone else has to scrap and fight for tiny amounts of woods to make a ladder while the rich try to steal more wood from the pool for themselves.

No.3491355

>>3491305

What about Carrier?

What about Toyota?
About AT&T laying offs after "bonuses" ?

Trump tax cuts again were a gift for the rich.

Companies who get a ton of benefit of these tax cuts will hire LESS people because it takes LESS employees to make the same amount of WEALTH. And these kind of movements are loved by speculators in Wall Street.

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>>3491353

I think he means while some people are getting fired those who survive the purge get more money so fuck those jobless people. I mean, what do you expect Walmart to do, actually spend the money they are getting to make their company better?

No.3491358

>>3491355
That's wrong you dummy. Toyota is moving their plants out of California because it's fucking California. The taxes and regulations in that state are beyond retarded. When you're crying about a company like Toyota then maybe it's about time you fuck off to Venezuela.

No.3491366

I love how it was obvious Trump was fucking everything over and again, his supporters hailed him, mixed with "buh-buh-but Bernie's tax plan would have cost you $8 more a year, he's worse than Hitler!"

Oh wow Trump cut your taxes by a few bucks, good for you, you will low that on fast food anyway instead of saving t, while the rich people who have enough to live on for 500 years save thousands, all while still screaming shit about how piracy is forcing them to eat out of trash cans or some other such greedy lie.

You people deserve the shit you're going to get, I feel no sympathy for you.

No.3491367

>>3491358
So Toyota wants to give more to shareholders rather than the people that work for them. That is understandable, but should not be defended.

No.3491373

>>3491344
I actually live within "Keep an iodine pill handy in case of a meltdown" radius of a nuclear plant. I remember having evacuation drills in school once a year, but beyond that, not much happened with it.

That said, NY is one of the most geologically-stable areas in the US, and the plant isn't at risk for getting hit by a devastating earthquake (quakes happen, but the shale deposits minimize the effect - though Fracking may or may not impact that), nor anything aside from the odd ice storm or exceedingly-rare tornado.

It's just like any Real Estate - location, location, location. Fukushima had the misfortune of being in coastal Japan, so that got the double-whammy of earthquake and subsequent tsunami. California would present similar risks, with wildfires on top of that. Arizona and most of the midwest would probably do alright with them.

No.3491380

>>3491367
You missed the point. California has a habit of regulatory capture. They recently managed to shut down the biggest surf-board core manufacturer in the world because they started demanding homeopathic levels of worker safety from a resin hardening chemical, that wasn't even a proven health hazard at the levels they were having. Furthermore, there wasn't any alternatives to use.

The company had two choices: comply with the demands, invest massively into space-suit levels of worker protection, and then go under as the state makes more and more frivolous demands over the use of chemicals in production, or move out of the state. Moving out of the state was a non-option because the brand was based on the fact that they were Californian, so the owner of the company took his ball and shut down the company.

The problem: they were the cheapest, best, board cores around and covered 90% of the market. Overnight, surfboard prices doubled, and six more companies sprang up using the exact same polyurethane foam cores using the exact same polluting chemicals. Quality went down, prices went up, but hey, the greenies got their victory!

No.3491385
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194433

>>3491344 While wind and solar are getting all the love .. and solar is actually becoming more affordable all the people up top have mostly ignored the clean energy benefits of nuclear and ignored significant problems with wind/solar.

Keeping this fairly short one big problem with wind/solar is that the best places to put them (places with most wind/solar potential) tend to be in place where nobody lives -- so you end up having to pipe that electricity long distances to where the people DO live.

Another is that you have to build your electrical system to deal with maximum potential load ... which turns out to be about 1/5 or less average load. You're building all these power lines and only using about 20% of their potential.

Yet another problem with wind/solar is that since they're so intermittent you either have to supplement the power grid with something more on-demand (e.g. coal / gas) or creating some kind of storage system the best of which is pumped water storage ... i.e.. pump water up a hill into a reservoir using excess electricity and release that water through a dam to generate electricity during demand -- another 'very limited location you can do this' technology. Yeah.. that Musk guy is always setting up his battery systems somewhere but those are very expensive on a grid-scale and require enormous amounts of lithium.

Meanwhile new nuclear power technologies which can resolve nearly everyone's fear of nuclear remain untapped while people chase after wind and solar. Every current nuke plant is based on old inefficient designs and most, while built as safe as they can be, aren't 'walk away' safe [i.e. if everyone goes away.. if power shuts down .. the reactor shuts itself down]. Newer designs are.

No.3491410

>>3491380

That's fucking awful, but also, not unusual. For anyone who doesn't know what he means by homeopathic levels, that means thousands of times diluted. Like in the range of parts per million.

No.3491416

>>3491385

>people up top have mostly ignored the clean energy benefits of nuclear and ignored significant problems with wind/solar.

It's worse than that. The regulators are actively working to make nuclear totally unaffordable.

If you drop banana peels into a waste bin, it gets carted off to a landfill or incinerated for energy. If you drop banana peels into a waste bin in a nuclear power station, it should technically be carted off into low level nuclear waste disposal at a huge cost, because the level of radiation from the Potassium-40 in bananas exceeds the arbitrarily low radiation disposal limit for any waste that comes out of a nuclear facility.

There's a double standard on what counts as nuclear waste, what can be recycled etc. so you get used coveralls and dust masks deposited into salt mines, or thousands of barrels of water that has slightly elevated levels of tritium, which is essentially harmless and you probably walk around with a watch with tritium glowers on the dials, that gets shipped to South Africa for "disposal" because the regulatory limits are 30 times stricter for the nuclear industry than for any other industry on the planet.

The only western country where recycling steel from nuclear facilities is possible is Norway. Everywhere else, it's illegal. Meanwhile, builders grind up granite into gravel and turn it into concrete, and construct buildings out of it - without a care in the world that the rock contains uranium and thorium which are radioactive isotopes, which result in buildings that are typically more radioactive than the metals torns off of a decommissioned nuclear station. You can stuff radioactive fly ash from a power station into bridges and road beds, and generally spew radioisotopes everywhere without anyone saying a peep; these are deemed safe, but by god if you have three atoms of radioactive Xenon in the air, possibly escaping an air filter in a nuclear power station, all the alarm bells go off from Belarus to Portugal and everyone's throwing ash on themselves crying nuclear holocaust.

And that's genuinely not an exaggeration.

No.3491417

>>3491380

Is this really a post about how surf board industry regulations are causing prices in the surf board market to rise, which is a major problem because we'll have to as individuals cut down on the average number of surf boards we purchase? (Protip: That number is between 0 and 1 in a lifetime, also far on the 0 side of that).

People have real complaints about not being able to afford food or housing, and someone's angry about having to pay more for a surfboard. This is the whitest post I have ever read.

No.3491418

>>3491385

> Yeah.. that Musk guy is always setting up his battery systems somewhere but those are very expensive on a grid-scale and require enormous amounts of lithium.

He's done exactly one such battery, and it can operate for 50 minutes on a full charge.

The point of that one was that he had ramped up battery production in advance for the Model3 car, but the production for the car was going off the rails, the demand for the Tesla Model S was going down, and the batteries didn't turn out good enough which is part of the reason why the Model 3 production is stalling, so he needed a quick place to dump them and make some cash while he's at it.

So he set himself a "public challenge" to deliver a 100 Megawatt battery in 100 days, and thus managed to sell 129 MWh (~1,500 Model S cars) worth of batteries, and a warehouse to house them, to the Australian Government and made it into a huge PR spectacle.

So now every greenie in the world is going "Yaaay Elon Musk is saving the world", while totally ignoring the fact that replacing those batteries every 10 years costs billions and the electricity they provide counts in dollars per kWh.

No.3491419

>>3491417
It's a post about how Californian regulators are hellbent on destroying their own industry base which is delivering jobs and commerce to the area.

Fuck, they sold 60% of the surfboard cores in the world, and brought oodles of boodle to the economy, which I'm sure counts for those who don't surf as well.

No.3491425

>>3491417

It's called an example you fucknut. Roll that level of micro-management out across food or power production, and you've got a reason why people are in poverty.

No.3491427

>>3491425
The regulators don't like big industry magnates or other "too successful" people, because their economic power is cramping their style. When there's nothing they can do about it, they play the yes-men and do everything the corporations want to gain the kickbacks and tax dollars, but as soon as they find some excuse to destroy their businnesses, they will. That's particularily true in California.

From the government's point of view, it's good that people are on low-paid service jobs that lead nowhere and produce nothing, because that's a good voter base who is totally dependent on the government to regulate their income - "vote for us and we'll raise the minimum wage". It doesn't matter that it's destroying the economy, because the people in government are on one part naive tools who come from the same underprivileged classes and see government as a means to "eat the rich man" whom they blame for everything, as they've been told by generations of hippies and welfare bums before them, and on the second part rich old white men who are too rich for empathy and old enough to be 6ft under ground when the shit really hits the fan.

No.3491432

I'm surprised no one is discussing this yet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html

>President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.
>"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.
>A White House spokesman defended Trump's position on immigration without directly addressing his remarks. White House officials did not dispute the account.
No.3491435

>>3491432

Probably because they know better than to expect false offense taking on a furry shittalking board.

Let's be real. In Haiti, they have open-air human trafficking. Broad daylight poacher markets. They still have people raping virgin girls under the age of 8 to "Cure" their HIV infections. They still eat raw dirt while pregnant as a tradition. They notably have problems keeping well-water separate from sewage, and a vacation there can give you TB or the beubonic plague.

Haiti is a shithole, and Trump only told the truth. No fucking reason to privilege immigration rates from Haiti.

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>>3491432

Why would we discuss it? Aren't they shithole countries?

Don't people leave shithole countries to come to America? Isn't that the prime fucking motivator for coming to America?

Besides, if the bullshit we hear about "how good illegal immigrants make America", then isn't it selfish we aren't letting them make their own shithole countries better?

No.3491440

>>3491437

Since when did the remarks about shithole countries have anything to do with illegal immigration? He was asking people at the meeting why people from shithole countries were allowed to immigrate here LEGALLY, and saying we need to put a stop to that. Or are you of the mind that any immigrant that isn't white is illegal?

No.3491443

>>3491440

Sounds good to me.

America isn't some sponge that soaks up shithole people. I don't understand why people think that's how it should be. I mean I get the leftist propaganda because super rich people on the left want nigger-level slaves (California).

And yeah, that plaque on the statue of liberty doesn't mean shit.

No.3491444

>>3491440

No dipshit, he was asking why we treat all immigration as equal or even go so far as the privilege extra immigration from areas that do not serve American interests.

Be it brown or white, Norway or India, you can get doctors or engineers. Yet we're also running "Diversity" lotteries to increase immigration rates from places like Haiti. Then chain migrating their family in.

Unless you're a doctor or a engineer of some sort, we don't need you. Immigration should ALWAYS be about serving American labor needs and American technological advancement in military and medicine.

Migration policy is not a fucking charity system.

https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE

This is like picking up a grain of sand and then sighing "We work so hard to shift the dunes, so that the poor may farm."

What we do is not helping Haiti or any of these countries at large, and only makes our own country worse. We have plenty of homeless people here we could help instead, of all races, religions, sexes, and orientations.

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>>3491444

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that at the base of the statue of liberty it said "Give me your doctors and engineers, everyone else fuck off!" and instead of holding a torch, she was just giving everyone the finger.

No.3491448

>>3491443

>America isn't some sponge that soaks up shithole people. I don't understand why people think that's how it should be.

Yes it is. They think that's how it should be because that's how it's always been.

Georgia was founded as a debtor's colony.

The shittiest, dumbest variations of Christianity ran away from Europe to set up shop in the American colonies thinking they'd create a new paradise full of unwavering zealots.

Completely untrained and uneducated slaves were sold to slave traders by warring tribes in Africa and then brought here to do hard labor.

The vast majority of the immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century was of untrained, lowly or entirely uneducated, super-poor Catholics, Jews, and Orthodox people from "shithole countries" like Hungary, Ukraine, Ireland, etc., or similarly untalented, untrained people from East Asia like China, Korea, Japan, the Philippines, etc. They were fleeing persecution, famine, and a total lack of economic opportunity, and they brought their massive families with them. They came here to do shitty, low-paying jobs that were numerous and didn't require much expertise.

America has ALWAYS been a country that is a refuge for uneducated, untrained, unskilled, untalented immigrants from "shithole" countries.

You can argue all you want that it shouldn't be because you don't like it and you don't like these people, but that is in fact what America always has been, so that is very much ingrained in its nature.

No.3491450

>>3491444

>Unless you're a doctor or a engineer of some sort, we don't need you

Are you a doctor or an engineer? If not, why should America keep you? I didn't realize citizenship was a charity system.

No.3491451

>>3491446

It was a fucking art project, get over it. At the very same time it was put up, the American government had the Chinese exclusion act going. It also had a standing policy against the mentally and physically disabled.

Don't you know a goddamn thing about history? America's statue of liberty was a work born out of trying to appear nicer than we really are.

No.3491452

>>3491446
>>3491448

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1882
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Contract_Labor_Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geary_Act

All these laws were the same time period of the statue of liberty.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6600709

Don't forget literally treating people like human cattle, ranking them, and returning them home unless they were fit to be the best sort of farm slave.

>>3491450

What American should do with it's own citizens is not the topic, we're talking about immigrating in ADDITIONAL useless people. Why should we?

As far as what America could do with our own, other nations would go to war with us if we started dumping Americans onto their shorelines or land borders. That's a reason not to do it right there.

No.3491454

>>3491452

So are you saying you're in support of all these laws and policies or against them? You're sending me mixed signals here.

No.3491455

Yeah, do take in all the criminal scum of the arab nations, lke europe.
It's not like the US has too many lowlifes.

No.3491456
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The Statue is titled "Liberty Enlightening the World". It's not about the United States, and it sure as hell isn't about Immigration. Emma Lazarus wrote "The New Colossus" years after the statue was installed. It's not the fucking "Statue of Immigration".

>America has ALWAYS been a country that is a refuge for uneducated, untrained, unskilled, untalented immigrants from "shithole" countries.

No it fucking hasn't. The U.S. virtually shut down immigration for 40 years between 1924 and and 1965. What kind of educationally deficient person doesn't know that?

No.3491457

>>3491454

I'm saying niggers need to learn their history before they claim the American spirit is one full of nobility and charity towards sloppy seconds of other countries.

It's just like food. You gotta eat some, and shit some out. You do too much eating or too much shitting, too quickly, and you die. A country and it's expats/immigration is no different.

No.3491459

>>3491456

>No it fucking hasn't. The U.S. virtually shut down immigration for 40 years between 1924 and and 1965. What kind of educationally deficient person doesn't know that?

Average leftist. It is why they keep virtue signalling how "smart" they are.

>>3491452

Don't forget! It's still illegal for a communist to emigrate to the US.

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>>3491443
100 years ago, people were saying the exact same shit about the Irish (Potato Famine) and Italians (rampant poverty).

No.3491461

>>3491460

100 years ago, we didn't have automation that could weld together an entire car. We didn't have automation that could prep you a meal that has a 6 month refrigerated shelf life UNLESS it had toxic amounts of salt or required 40 ounces of water to digest.

What we need now and what we needed then are different. Just like a baby needs baby food and adults need 2,000 calories.

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>>3491456
Emma Lazarus wrote "The New Colossus" years after the statue was installed.
Yes, because that's what the symbol represented, to her and countless others.

https://youtu.be/36DfnX5OqKE
It's genuinely sad how relevant the fucking Wolfenstein series has become.

No.3491463

>>3491462

Countless because it was so unremarkable outside academics that no one bothered survey opinion on the matter. =)

No.3491464

Ha! Comparing irish and insane islamistst...

No.3491465

>>3491464
Two words - Irish Catholics. Keep in mind that people were paranoid about JFK becoming President because of fears he'd take marching orders from the Pope, and the KKK was vehemently anti-Catholic. Hell, there's a shitload of Protestant denominations that vilify Catholicism as misguided at best, outright Satanic at worst - namely any that freely endorse Chick Tracts.

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>>3491366

>mixed with "buh-buh-but Bernie's tax plan would have cost you $8 more a year, he's worse than Hitler!"

Your hyperbole aside, Bernie would have cost a middle-class individual like myself twice the amount of money that I'm going to get back thanks to the GOP and Donald Trump. It's a key reason why Bernie had so much trouble attracting anybody with a non-zero income. If given a choice between losing $600 every two weeks and gaining $300, then the choice is pretty easy.

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>>3491354

I always laugh at that comic because they try to sneak in a racial element with the brown person serving the rich, white people. That's ironic because I grew up as a poor, brown person with a mother who worked part-time at a Pizza Hut. Yet through hard work, determination, and applying my natural talents with math and science, I've been able to earn two master's degrees and now command a salary that probably surpasses 3B's, GFF's and Sorrowful's combined.

You wanna know how I did it as a poor, pitiful brown person, then read that last couple of panels.

"What's the secret to your success?"

"Less whining and more hard work I say. I'm sick people asking for handouts. Nobody ever handed me anything on a plate, not the least of which includes my graduate degrees."

No.3491471

>>3491470

According to 3B and all the leftists in America, you're an "Uncle Tom".

Not only that, but you're also extremely stupid because you aren't buying what the old, rich, WHITE people like Hillary, Bernie and Elizabeth Warren are pushing.

But then again, those people only look to brown skinned people as a voting block.

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>>3491470

we are so blessed, in our sub-100 user furry-drama-turned-political-shitposting imageboard community, to have such hard working individuals as yourself.

kind of weird that you waste your precious time posting here, though.

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>>3491471

>because you aren't buying what the old, rich, WHITE people like Hillary, Bernie and Elizabeth Warren are pushing.

It's sad because up until recently, I've been an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter, in addition to being practically a zealot for Barack Obama twice. But now it feels like I'm starting to wake up and realize that the only real reason that I ever supported them in the first place is because I was told to support them, all due to my skin color.

But now with a booming economy under Trump and listening to feminists whining because they can't accept that Hillary lost when she ran a completely incompetent, shitty campaign, I'm realizing that these people never actually wanted me to succeed. They don't care that I spent a decade since I was 16 working multiple jobs in restaurants scrubbing dishes and coming home smelling like grease and french fries. They don't care about the tireless hours I spent studying to drag myself out of poverty. They can't use me as a pawn anymore, so I have no value to the Democrats.

Now I can understand why so many Democrats jumped ship to support Ronald Reagan after getting the shaft from the limp-wristed Jimmy Carter. I think it's way past the time for me to grow up and abandon the Democratic Party that has abandoned so many hard-working Americans like myself.

No.3491475

>>3491473
It's almost like the internet is infested by failures and morons who turn to the far-right to compensate for their aggressive mediocrity. It's almost like things were better before the rightwingers got here. It's almost like putting them in gulags would make the entire world a better place.

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>>3491451

>Don't you know ... history? America's statue of liberty ... born out of trying to appear nicer than we really are.

Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi, a mid-career statue maker. He wanted to build a lighthouse in the shape of a woman that would go down in history as a wonder of the world. He originally intended the lighthouse for Egypt which is why she is wearing the robes. It's a traditional garb for a female Muslim slave. Her face is exposed as a sign of her freedom. The statue was originally planned to be gold but when Egypt and France refused to help him fund it he just built it himself using primitive crowd funding.

Still unable to find a home for his sculpture with people saying it would never be built because it was simply impossible, he decided to pitch a country he had never visited before on his vision: America.

It was news paper mogul Joseph Pulitzer who made the statue possible by fundraising for it by offering to print the name of anyone who donated in his paper. It created a massive boom in his business as people donated then purchased copies of the paper to have their name in print as part of what was marketed as a historic project.

They never could get the light house part of the design to work nor the giant record player they planned on putting in her mouth to make her speak.

No.3491478

>>3491474

>feminists whining because they can't accept that Hillary lost when she ran a completely incompetent, shitty campaign

A pundit from a "liberal" news channel joked about giving her a Cosby pill and both Glenn Trush and Matt Lauer, two men who went after her and shaped election coverage, are proven misogynists and sex criminals like Trump.

Then there is Comey.

So yeah, all her fault.

No.3491479

>>3491473

>sub-100

More like sub 20 you delusional faggot. Everyone who is worth anything moved to 8ch /fur/ a long time ago and never looked back. Stagnate here with the Antifa fags if you want.

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>>3491478

>Then there is Comey.

Blaming Comey for Clinton's loss is like saying everything would have been just fine if that cop hadn't fucking arrested you for robbing that bank. If she hadn't been a shit person in the first place who failed in almost every conceivable way to maintain even basic human decency and security, all the leaks and investigations would have done nothing. They were only effective because she was scum.

No.3491504

Gonna be hilarious when the GOP have no one to vote for them. The plan of "repeatedly sabotage the economy so we can blame the democrats and get reelected" isn't going to work anymore after 2020.

No.3491505

>>3491501
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

Read.

Then, make a counterargument or submit.

No.3491509

>>3491501
In this case it's at least somewhat legit, since he announced that the investigation was being reopened just a week before the election, and then closed it a couple days later - but that inflicted enough damage to overshadow Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" bullshit.
>>3491435
Incidentally, someone on my Facebook feed shared this this morning - https://twitter.com/ChetPowell/status/952042048806359040?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E3 - and its worth a read.

No.3491537
>3491358

So, when its convenience it doesnt count? because its "California" and "Toyota" ?

Nice gymnastics!

No.3491540
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>>3491505

fivethirtyeight.com is ran by one of Clinton's most infamous cultists. He destroyed his credibility as a professional supporting her in the face of overwhelming data showing she was going to lose. He ignored every poll, ignored every problem and sung her praises at every chance giving her a 90+ percent chance of victory right up until the moment she lost.

No.3491543

>>3491443

Problem is, that in the mayority of the cases.. the US is directly an indirectly to blame these countries were turn into shit.

They have sold weapons for "freedom warriors" (aka terrorists) on convenience. CIA constantly destabilizes countries to make smaller nations always dependent on US aid at the cost of resources and money.

And outright invaded nations for convenience and resources.

No.3491545

>>3491455

These Arab people? those who have been fighting each other or the europe/us block has bombed to shit over and over? all to support dictatorships because "anything remotely close to democracy we cant manipulate.. are commies and thus terrible"?

No.3491546

>>3491190

Follow unbiased histories of their success

Their success is always pushed by wealth and having huge starting points. From huge loans that not a single normal person would get..
To family loans like Trump.

The real rags to riches is a rarity that you can have bigger chances in winng the lottery than actually be a rags to rich.

The tests for mobility shows that its worse now than before the industrial revolution to advance in wealth status.

No.3491547

>>3491469

You talk like that money is free, you're going to pay it back in 3-5 years you know. Worse when you get downsized because there was yet another recession while the ultra rich laugh all the way to the bank.

No.3491548

>>3491470

>et through hard work, determination, and applying my natural talents with math and science,

Sure lol. Ironically those who talk like this are those who usually had a stepping stone but are too blind to see it.

No.3491549

>>3491474

>...booming economy under Trump and listening to...

Again, what booming economy? wall street alone isnt the status of wealth of a nation.

No.3491565

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-no-social-security-medicare-medicaid-cuts-2018-1

No.3491566

>>3491543

Don't forget the Clinton Foundation's millions and millions in "aid" for Haiti that went right into the Clinton's pockets.

No.3491567

>>3491565
The Wisconsin Republican said the GOP's slim 51-to-49 majority in the Senate prevents any significant overhaul because Democrats are not on board and could filibuster any cuts. Also, Ryan said, any bill dealing with Social Security can't go through the process of budget reconciliation, which allows a bill to pass the chamber with a simple majority.

In short - "I really, really want to, but we can't with the slim margin we've got."

No.3491569

>>3491566

No lie - From earthquakes to shady American politicians, Haiti has has a truly shitty decade.

I haven't seen any trace of that aid money actually making a difference on the streets of Haiti, or even appearing. Haitian government (what little there is) is notoriously corrupt, but that alone can't explain it. Clean up efforts after the quake destruction were virtually nil, and there's still huge areas that resemble landfills from all the trash and pollution.

And right now, Haiti's facing a new crisis - They're almost out of trees, because no one's planting new ones, and they can't stop chopping them down because their way of life is highly dependent on charcoal. They're down to their last 2 of tree cover%, and they won't last long.

But hey, I'm sure that gold mine owned by Tony Rodham (you know, Hillary's brother) is trodding along just fine, and will continue to do so as long as people stop looking at Haiti. No seriously, pay no attention to the desolate millions of people here, we're- I mean, they're doing just fine!

No.3491570

>>3491566

>Don't forget...

gotta fund your child-trafficking pizzerias somehow, right?

butt seriously, where do you get all of your conspiracy theories from?

No.3491571

>>3491543

It's no wonder anti-communist propaganda is pushed so hard. Communism is a giant fuck-you to that entire state of affairs. And we just can't have that, can we?

No.3491573

>>3491569
I only hope the Dominicans are ready for the impending nigpocalypse...

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>>3491573

It's funny because I remember "An Inconvenient Truth" made a big deal about being able to identify the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republican by the irresponsible deforestation by the Haitian people who couldn't be bothered with using their natural resources responsibly.

But yeah, okay, the Haitian people are completely the same as all the others and Haiti is no way a shithole despite the absolute poverty and garbage that fills their streets. Also, if we bring them over here to our shores, they'll totally behave differently from the way they behave in their own country.

No.3491576

>>3491575
If we punished the citizen for what the government of their nation did, nobody would be safe.

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>>3491547

>You talk like that money is free, you're going to pay it back in 3-5 years you know.

No, I won't be paying for it. If the US government gets into the same position as Detroit or Greece where they can no longer borrow money, then it'll be the people who rely on government handouts who will be the ones to pay. Because the moment the government runs out of money, then it'll simply stop writing checks. As someone who doesn't get a nickel from the government, I don't have anything to worry about.

>>3491548

>Sure lol. Ironically those who talk like this are those who usually had a stepping stone

I did have a stepping stone to becoming an engineer with a six-figure salary. It's called working two jobs to get myself through college, that's the "stepping stone" that led to where I am today.

No.3491578

>>3491576

>If we punished the citizen for what the government of their nation did, nobody would be safe.

Who voted for the Haitian government officials in the first place? Yeah, I thought so. Explain to me why the Haitian refugees won't vote for the same shit here in America if they're given the chance?

No.3491579

>>3491578
So by that token, if things go tits-up because of Trump's dealings domestic and abroad, everyone in the US should be held accountable for it?

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>>3491579
Well, let's take your hypothetical scenario and assume that Trump will destroy America and turn it into Dr. Robotnik's wet dream. Now, I'm assuming that you won't be filing for a visa to Haiti or Venezuela, but someplace like Norway. Are you saying that the Norwegians will, or should be obligated, to take in all Americans? And they won't have any skepticism or ask questions like "why should we let you in when you destroyed your own country?" They won't want to separate those Americans who could prove themselves responsible and willing to respect their laws and environmentalism? I guess they'll just take us all with no questions asked?

No.3491584

>>3491582
Are you saying that the Norwegians will, or should be obligated, to take in all Americans?

Not "all", obviously, but saying "We're not accepting you because you come from nothing" is bad practice, and that's the sentiment Trump was expressing.

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>>3491584

America has some of the most stupid people on earth living in it. Why would any nation want our people to move in? Canada is probably going to need a wall more than we are after Trump's second year in office. Americans are going to be fleeing this sinking ship by the millions.

No.3491586
>America has some of the most stupid people on earth living in it.

Ladies and Gentlemen, 3B

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>>3491586

Ladies and Gentlemen, a Trump voter.

No.3491588

>>3491586

>>America has some of the most stupid people on earth living in it.

Technically, the idiot people are everywhere, except.. somehow.. in the US they get to voice themselves the most loudly.. and other idiots applaud them.

No.3491589

>>3491577

Tax going up, you idiot.

No.3491590

>>3491578

>Who voted for the Haitian government officials in the first place? Yeah, I thought so. Explain to me why the Haitian refugees won't vote for the same shit here in America if they're given the chance?

In some places, voting makes zero help.
Because corruption is so deep ingrained that the government is pretty much a supported (by third party nations who wants the slice of resources) organized crime.

No.3491592

>>3491590
Also this. The Congo in particular springs to mind with that one.

No.3491599

>>3491590
Doesn't matter who votes, and how, if you're the one who creates the candidate list.

No.3491608

>>3491585
Does that mean you'll be moving out? knock on wood

No.3491635

>>3491444
Funny you should bring up doctors, as those trained overseas can wind up doing menial work here - http://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2016/09/30/foreign-trained-doctors-challenges

No.3491680

>>3491540

>fivethirtyeight.com is ran by one of Clinton's most infamous cultists. He destroyed his credibility as a professional supporting her in the face of overwhelming data showing she was going to lose. He ignored every poll, ignored every problem and sung her praises at every chance giving her a 90+ percent chance of victory right up until the moment she lost.

This is 100 % the opposite of what Nate Silver did, and you are actually mentally troubled.

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>>3491680

You know the internet doesn't go away once you read it, right? 538 just kept increasing her odds until she lost.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clinton-gains-and-the-polls-magically-converge/

No.3491705

>>3491700
No, Nate Silver was the one who cautioned people the most, predicting a relatively high chance Clinton would win in any real democracy, but lose because of the pro-White system that the Slavery States blackmailed the United States into.

Nate Silver was the most bearish on Clinton. He also rightly ascribes the result to Comey rather than "SJWs have taken over the left" or "White people are tired of being lynched in the streets" or whatever narrative you Assange-leftists are currently peddling.

No.3491715

>>3491705
Translation:
"Believe me, don't believe your eyes. Don't look at the evidence that clearly proves me wrong.

I'm angry that Nate Silver once said something that wasn't sucking Hillary's cock 1010% so he must be an enemy of the state. "

No.3491720

>>3491715

You are aware.

That an FBI director.

Breaking the Logan Act.

To attack one presidential candidate.

Has not happened before in any election?

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>>3491705 One thing I never liked about the whole 'OMG electoral college made Hillary lose blah blah' argument is that whether it's a good system or a bad system everybody knew the rules going in.

No.3491799

>>3491732
Yeah, my preference would be the same setup New Hampshire does and apportion the EC votes - that way you wouldn't have solid blue States like NY and California, nor solid red States like Texas and Alabama, and might have higher voter engagement/turnout because of that, rather than the status quo of "Well, I'm a Republican in NY, so my vote basically doesn't count."

No.3491801

My preference is that people that hate people and therefore live in backwaters don't get to assault the future, which resides in cities.

No.3491802

>>3491799

Did you mean Maine and Nebraska? I think those are currently the only states that award their Electoral College votes proportionally:

"All states except California (before 1913), Maine, and Nebraska have chosen electors on a "winner-take-all" basis since the 1880s.[8] " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

Although NH is considering doing that: https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/01/03/bill-proposes-changing-new-hampshires-electoral-vote-system

And yeah, I agree proportional EC votes are inherently more fair, and help prevent voter apathy in deeply red/blue states.

No.3491803

>>3491802

>And yeah, I agree proportional EC votes are inherently more fair, and help prevent voter apathy in deeply red/blue states.

America has the shittiest voter representation and voter participation among all democracies. America does everything to keep certain people from voting, because America was not meant to be a fair democracy for all to begin with.

No.3491805

>>3491801
>>3491803
You'll feel better about yourself once you lose your virginity. I promise.

No.3491806

>>3491720

No one has ever been successfully prosecuted under the Logan act as intended. It's meant as another form of Sedition. Comey did not violate the act because he was not convicted, in addition, his actions were not of Seditious nature.

Stop lying, faggot.

No.3491809

>>3491806
He intentionally used his position to sway an election, thereby making the election, this administration and the entire country illegitimate.

No.3491817

Just prevent rightwingers from voting and ban rightwinger political parties.

Problem solved forever.

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>>3491809

>He intentionally used his position to sway an election...

Again, if Hillary hadn't been a monumental shit stain of a person, literally one of the worst human beings to ever live, then no accusation from him would have made an impact. Even assuming your insane theory that he somehow swayed that many voters is true, it would have only been possible because of her long and detailed history of corruption, greed and generally being an epic cunt to everyone she knows.

I mean for fucks sake she tried to steal shit from the white house when her husband left office. There was no low bar for her. There was no depth she would not sink to.

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>>3491827
literally one of the worst human beings to ever live

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>>3491837

No, I know exactly what I mean. She is literally one of the worst human beings to ever live. she has never met a war she doesn't like, she raised billions of dollars in money to fund aids relief then sent out-of-date bottom shelf medicine to Africa and pocketed the money. She might as well have sent them injections of water to fight HIV.

Even if you don't believe the reporting from Africa on that, the DNC itself admits she outright legally purchased control of the Democratic party 14 months before the primary. There is a legally binding contract that put her in charge of the party. She literally purchased control of the party then spent the entire primary lying to the American people and ordering others to lie to the American people. She knew with 100% certainty that she was going to be the nominee because she paid for it yet she bold face lied to the nation for over a year pretending we have a democracy. Her default action on any given subject is to lie and obfuscate. That is what cost her the election. We can smell the bullshit coming off of her.

No.3491842

>>3491827
>>3491839
In a sense, it is very good that the simpleness of America's White blue collars is hurting them, but it's terrible that city people have to suffer because of it.

Why did the bestest coolest grandpa ever lose to the Most Evil Human ever by 3.7 million votes again? Oh yeah, those nasty non-White voters voted for her 75-25 %. And then those same non-Whites tried to save the country and the working class from Trump.

Weird how the people that rejected The Bestest Nicest Most Perfectest Awesome Grandpa didn't vote for evil when it mattered, while the people that hated The Most Evil Lady Ever faltered when push came to shove.

3B, have people that actually know you in real life told you that you are hysterical, imbalanced and seem desperate to inject gravitas and importance into your life by trying to create epic narratives and stories when regular descriptions suffice?

Clinton is awesome and Bernie is droning and would never be able to accomplish anything because he lacks charisma and respect for his listeners. I would cut off my finger to make him the president, of course, but what you WASPs and Whitebreads see in him I'll never understand.

No.3491849

Clinton didn't win the primary. The DNC cheated for her.

Millions of votes were left uncounted when she was declared the winner. Those votes where independent voters and NPP which broke almost exclusively for Sanders.

https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/confirmation-bernie-won-california-by-at-least-100000-votes/

No.3491869

>>3491839

> She might as well have sent them injections of water to fight HIV.

Ironically, this happened in my country but for cancer patients.. KIDS with cancer received water while the dipshit governor pocketed the change. Worst of all? All the money funnelled is linked not only to that governor, but to the president lol.

>>3491849

Don't forget the dirty tricks of asking Democrats to re register to vote, if they were not affiliated their votes were null. This happened almost exclusively on heavy pro Bernie states.

No.3491875

>>3491869
Which country is this? Brazil? Only assuming that because I know the President was recently deposed, but I'm hazy on the details beyond a general "she was corrupt!" vibe.

No.3491932

>>3491849

>Those votes where independent voters

Indies/centrists are the most disgusting Americans. Even worse than republicans and libertarians.

Republicans and libertarians are honest about being cunts. Indies and centrists try to pretend they might might might vote Democrat if all leftists jump through hoops and abandon several positions.

No.3491934

>>3491875

Mexico.

And no, despite insurmountable evidence, not a single president has touched jail. because they pretty much appoint the justices lol.

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>>3491932

Most independents are far, far, left of the Democrats. They want leaders not owned by corporations. I can only assume that you mean bribery when you say policy that independents demand the Democrats abandon?

No.3491954

>>3491943

Why would an independent thinker want to vote for the party that says "You're racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic if you don't think our policies are the right approach." ?

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>>3491954

>Why would independents want to vote for Democrats?

We don't. That's why we are trying to vote out the democrats at every level and take over the party.

Why do you think the 1% is freaking out so much? They have an army of progressives knocking their puppets out of power one by one across the nation at every strata of the system.

No.3492000

>>3491968

>Why do you think the 1% is freaking out so much?

Why do you think the 1% are freaking out?

They're not.

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>>3492000
right, anyone smart enough to be in the 1% is smart enough to know the system protects them from dumb people.

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The 1% should freak out. The masses are angry and they are not immune to bullets.

In the past uprisings were common and those removed from power were often beheaded. Modern people got soft but eventually they'll have to go back to the old ways because peaceful protests and voting do not work.

/pol/ screams "daye uv a roap" but it will be the day of the guillotines, and /pol/ will be marched to them along with the leaders they praise and support.

Calling Mr Rogers a racist? They are always wrong. Never forget that.

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kulaks all up in di strhead

No.3492067

>>3492061

Wait. If repenting and changing just comes with further beatings... why the fuck would anyone adopt your political stance? This is basically terrorism. Rule through fear.

No.3492069

>>3492067

>Rule through fear.

This is what kulaks deserve

No.3492086

>>3492069

And this is how you lose all capacity to lead effectively. I'm sure North Korea is example enough of what a fear economy of yesmen leads to. Chubby boy couldn't hold together the legacy his father and grand-father left him because he had no experience with free men. No experience with disagreeing without scorn.

No.3492091

>>3492067
Full agreement here - it'd literally become a case of "Then Let Me Be Evil", as there would be zero incentive to change their ways. Scrooge, for example, was told "Change, or your fate will be dire", and for all appearances he avoided that fate. Short of there being an undiscovered epilogue that gleefully reveals he still got the same treatment as Jacob Marley.

No.3492102

I know, it's kind of a pisser that I lose my Part A because I was actually really close to being able to go to the doctor's when I got sick, for free.

Now I have to -- gasp! -- actually get a real fucking job with health benefits instead of sitting on my dick for 8 hours at a time in some field in Buttfuck California.

Thanks, Donald Trump!

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>>3492102

>Now I have to -- gasp! -- actually get a real fucking job with health benefits instead of sitting on my dick for 8 hours at a time in some field in Buttfuck California.
>implying that most basic salaries can actually pay healthcare without getting in crippling debt.
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>>3492086

>lead effectively
No.3492127

>>3492122
Comrade, please, my penis can only get so erect!


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