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No.3477564
Just a simple link to the dev board: https://dev.lulz.net/furi/
No.3477565

Don't know why that didn't make a proper link, but whatever.
https://dev.lulz.net/furi/

No.3481520

Unstticky and unlock. I guess y'all can chat about how it isn't going happen or whatever.

No.3484813

>>3481520

That's because he promised it would be ready in a few days late June and now it's been around 5 months and he still hasn't delivered anything to us except a shitty dev board.

No.3484815

CHO0B IS CREATING LULZ.NET - BECOME A PATRON.

No.3484850
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TBH it's working

My evaluation:

The pros:
1.) Tor works, thanks Choob, I never post without a proxy
2.) WEBM with sound is sweet (last time I checked it worked)
3.) Average page has about 184 KB of scripts, for a 2017 muh web 4.0 page this is actually fucking amazing and the layout feels mostly comfy
4.) Stupid auto-scrolling toolbar gone, thumbs up fam!
5.) Multiple images per post is a godsend, more tightly packed content

The cons:
1.) Green usernames on blue background barely visible, border only on lower right looks odd, tbh a proper border would be nice, dark blue post links on blue background looks wonky, post highlighting is clumsy (it "highlights" to the default background color, whose bright idea was that?) Just stick with the old layout, copy parts from it as is, attempting to improve by just randomly fucking with something that already works well is a serious mistake (Choob must be working for Microsoft now, they are pros at ruining perfectly good things)
2.) not really a problem, but some of the automatically generated names are actually funny and quirky, "Anonymous" sounds fucking dumb, a touch of lulz would be lost if those vanish, we're not [insert-letter-here]chan.
3.) Kinda major issue imho, original filenames aren't preserved and downloader plugins (DownThemAll tested) don't know how to use the download="blahblah.jpg" attribute of the <a> tag. Not having timestamp filenames is pretty much a lulz tradition at this point. Either find a way to make the server spit out an alternate link with a proper filename (one physical file server-side, obviously) or do it by some other way. DownThemAll has a filename renaming function, but it takes that info from the server, I believe. Here it just adds the the download attribute into its "description" field and does nothing with it. Would be a shame if we can't get this working properly on the new board, having a proper filename makes finding sources. And few people will bother to save a dump thread manually fucking file by file. Seriously, who has time to click on a couple hundred pictures. Protip: use a different virtual folder for the original filenames, don't just dump them into the same location, so we can apply filters on the url from the downloader plugin.

Neutral:
1.) Activating the captcha might not be too bad of an idea.

But at the end of the day, if you ask me, audio webm and multiple images per post are the only features that makes the new lulz vaguely interesting. And I'm not even using that greasemonkey scipt that adds features to lulz (because it makes the color scheme fucky and I'm too lazy to customize the script to add the old color scheme instead).

Tbh we could go on with the old lulz for another 10 years probably. And yes I know lulz is older than that.

No.3484875

>>3484850

> Green usernames on blue background barely visible

No no, that's a great feature - if only it applied to the namefags.

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>>3484875

Here, have a hot package XD

No.3485009

>>3484850

>Tor works, thanks Choob, I never post without a proxy

"Error
An error has occured.
Your IP address is listed in tor.dnsbl.sectoor.de."

Idiot.

No.3485082

>>3485009

press crtl+shift+l and get a new IP adress, idiot.

And if that fails repeat until succes. Mkay?

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>>3485082

Mmmkay. Well Allright!

No.3485217

Place your bets. What gets updated first? /furi/ or Prequel?

No.3485220

>>3485217

Prequel has been updated like 3 or 4 times in the past 2 months, so...

No.3485221

>>3485220
I sense another two year wait...

No.3485390

>>3485221

Probably not two years, but another delay is possible since he's selling stuff again: http://www.prequeladventure.com/really-simple-reprint-run/

No.3485421
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Will the new board allow niggers?

If the new board allows niggers to post (or blacks, for all you people that think blacks and niggers aren't the same thing; it is really not worth making a distinction), then it's not improvement enough to justify having. Anyone who admits to being black should be immediately banned.

We should reflect this in the url:
https://niggerfree.lulz.net/furi/

When the board is finished, we should have
https://lulz.net/furi/
redirect to
https://niggerfree.lulz.net/furi/
so that the enhancement is clear for everyone and there is no confusion on the purpose.

No.3485443

>>3485421

But if the new board bans niggers, you won't be able to post.

Oh, the irony.

No.3485627

Oh boy, I can't wait!
The new board's gonna be ready any year now!

No.3485884

>>3485421
This post is from the Russian COINTELPRO.

No.3485910

>>3485884

Well, they're clearly new here, since they stand out from what few racists are actually here by using that term way too much. Seriously, when you say nigger about as much as actual niggas use the term nigga, its time to check yourself.

No.3485919
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>>3485421
You can't say that. That's racist D:

No.3486000

>>3485919
I've never seen such a retarded attempt at racist humor before, good god.

No.3486004

>>3486000

I think you'll find that most racist humor on the internet isn't exactly high brow or even a thinking man's humor.

The IQ it comes from is suitable for those it's intended for. Stupid jokes for stupid people.

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>>3486044

No.3486234
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>>3486044 He's just saying that the variety of humor is low and unfunny. My guess is it's probably some altleft goon shill false flagging race bait to stir shit.

No.3486259

>>3486250

Yeah, no. It's all too likely, and your post merely looks like an attempted distraction away from it.

We've had some racists here and there, but no one who just repeatedly goes nigger nigger nigger like the term was going out of style. Also as soon as we call them out, they vanish.

Its amazing how much lefties rail against that which they hate, yet know their enemy so little.

No.3486263

>>3485919
fuck it I'm bored. I just don't know how broken your brain has to be to make this funny.

>what species of primate is usually brought over in boats

Initial set up of the joke doesn't even make sense, except as a lead in to the punchline, cause since when do we import large amounts of 'monkey and gorilla' primates by boat?

>black people
>I-I said primate, as in monkeys and gorillas
>same thing

Teacher seems to accept that black people are a separate species, and that they also aren't primates. Kid says no they are primates. Cause people are primates. But black people aren't another species.
So to get the 'humor' you have to be that screwed up in your world view to accept that black people are another species? And the humor is that they are the same species as gorillas and monkeys? And white people/japanese people/any other race are primates, yes? And this sort of brain damaged logic would fly in a classroom?

I really think the modern internet rightwing whatever is made up of people who were too stupid to understand that all of the racist shit on 4chan was for humor and shock value, and instead were dumb enough to actually believe all of the idiotic crap spewed there. Like after the memes got boring and the gore stopped being impactful all you had left was extreme racism and the morons coming along ate it all up. As evidenced by this sort of total failure at a meme.

No.3486273

You fags will bicker about politics anywhere.

No.3486347
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>>3485425
>>3485443
>>3485910
>>3486004
>>3486263
Well boys, looks like we got some monkey-loving race traitors on our paws.

How does it feel to betray your own heritage? Probably really good to you, since liberals get off on throwing their own kind under the bus.

Funny that, blaming everything on the internet on 4chan. That doesn't remind anyone of anything...?

Maybe someday you'll wake up and realize the harm you've done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqYpxXQYYT4

No.3486353

I love how racists pretend you owe others with a similar skin pigmentation and cry rivers of bitch tears when their fellow race members aren't bigoted assholes just like they are.

It's like telling an SJW that the Misfits are a New Jersey punk band and not misandrist hair-dyed Hasbro cartoon characters. Guaranteed hurt feelings and whining.

No.3486358

>>3486347
Fuck your heritage. I take personal delight in tearing down every worthless, vile thing you hold dear and pissing on the ashes. Everything you believe in is worth less than my shit. Slit your throat, vermin.

No.3486364
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>>3486347 dat song

No.3486388
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>>3486347 Your "heritage"? My "heritage" is being an American. That doesn't involve throwing around racial slurs to stir shit. Than ain't no heritage thats just sorry ass rais'n. This is why I think your shilling. If your not... dude you got to let that race hate shit go man. That kinna shit just makes everyone hate you and not want to hear a damn thing you got to say. Then their hate for you rebounds to other white people who happen to be around who want no part of it.

I get it, the left is pushing super hard on everything, they throw each other under the bus constantly over not being left enough, there's militant refugees flooding into cities all through Europe. Antifa are becoming the new "in thing" apparently by calling their movement "anti" fascist, they aim to become better at fascism than actual fascists.
When their flags have flags on them, you know it's bad news. But this kind of display is just in poor taste. If you want to do your race right, you live right, you do right by others, and you damn well speak like ya got a lick of since.

>>3486358 So does that mean white people in general or specifically people who are distinctly hateful to other races?

>>3486364 I don't know what the statistics actually are on this but he might be flipping out because he feels like "white genocide" is think. But how he's doing it is kinda making a case for it. Which is why I question his authenticity.

It's okay to have certain conservative values, it's okay have certain leftist values. We shouldn't have to be tied down like that. Really its only in our minds that that we are.

vc: young

No.3486410
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>>3486364
Ode to a Dying People was an original by the Canadian white power metal band, RaHoWa, fronted by George Burdi.

In 1997, Burdi renounced racism after just 4 months in jail and finding religion or some dumb shit like a desperate rat. In response to this pathetic treachery, Saga and eventually other artists picked up the song and re-popularized it to its original intended glory (and further since Saga's version is a thousand times better than he could ever do), and now Burdi can never again walk away from what he started and the rest of us are better from it.
In fact nearly all the covers no matter how poor are still better than his original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbvwnJmoLqI

No.3486411
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>>3486358
That's super cute, the vermin thing.

No.3486417
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>>3486004

>>Stupid jokes for stupid people.

Well, the idea was to make a post where the written part genuinely calls out racism while the image part shamelessly endorses it, therefore creating a contradiction of values. I guess y'all too stupid to get it.

Instead everybody decided to get turbo-butthurt. It's not the first or last racist pic on lulz.

No.3486420
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>>3486412 so in another words...

Peace through tyranny

No.3486422

>>3486421 So that means Japan... So now you got beef with Japanese?

No.3486424
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96515

Aufy, you don't have to do this in my place. I know you mean well, you are just misguided. Maybe it's hard for you to understand because of your past and upbringing. But that kinship you feel for furries? It is the same, except for the white human race, with its rich vibrant history - the greatest race that ever walked the earth.

Above everything we have to keep white countries white, run by whites with white agendas, and white cultures strong. But don't take it from me, the only voice you need to listen to is this honest swedish woman's crying for the destruction of her nation from within, an unspeakable crime; let it touch your heart and put your empathy where it deserves to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWOmqYCfZXw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8dyCm7aOqE

No.3486429
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>>3486426

No.3486432
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>>3486426

>Black, White, Brown, Hispanic, Jewish
>They are my countrymen and my allies.

Good lord. This filth will turn on you in a flash when the going gets rough. They all stick to each other, and you are nothing to them, no matter how much you concede.

It is so sad to see my fellow whites so suicidal. You can talk like a suicide bomber and wish me dead, but you're holding the knife by the blade, and I only wish for you to recover from this terrible state.

No.3486437
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>>3486433
It's alright, these things take time. The day reality finally comes tumbling down around you, just know, I'll be there for you when no one else is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLisEEwYZvw

No.3486439
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>>3486438
Just promise you'll talk to me first, ok? It's a very nice trailer park.

No.3486441
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>>3486440
That's like my favorite song of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCRG6V62ss0

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>>3486424 Dude, don't even try to lump me in with you. I'm white and that's fine, and sure I hold certain conservative values it's true, but you're just straight up white power Aryan nation Hitler youth over here. Your lot are one of the main reasons white people are getting such a bad rap these days. Just because I'm not some black bloc domestic terrorist antifa goon, and just because I recognize the blatant hypocrisy on it, doesn't mean I'm on your "side" either.

No.3486461

>>3486460

Hahah holy fuck Antifa is the same as KKK and ISIS? A totally disorganized group of hippies shouting about Nazis is the same as a domestic terrorist organization and an Islamist Caliphate?

You're on acid, bro.

No.3486462

>>3486461 It's the same kind of thing, it's terrorism.

No.3486465

>>3486462

Terrorism is when you attack innocent people. Heroism is when you attack vicious monsters that nobody else will touch. And there is nothing more vicious and monstrous than a Nazi.

However, I don't particularly want you to see the light on this issue. You would make my side look bad. I prefer seeing you on the side of the fascists.

No.3486481

>>3486465 They have, they do, and there will be more.

https://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/

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>>3486460
No one's asking you to sign wavers, Aufy, it's just relating in terms I know you understand a little. Baby steps. Just baby steps.

>>3486481
Sad. Antifa is so ridiculous, they make the world more black and white than I ever could. Life is all about knowing where to draw the correct line. Those kids are trying to use chalk on grass.

No.3486500

>>3486481

I haven't been following this conversation, but that guy turned out to be lying: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/neo-nazi-stabbing-fake-colorado-joshua-witt

No.3486528

>>3486465
If you commit violence against someone who is not violent, you are the monster.

The only time it's okay to escalate to violence against someone who is non-violent is when democracy has crumbled, as in when elections are canceled or rigged, and only for the purpose of reinstating democracy.

You can't just attack people you disagree with, not matter how much you disagree with them.

No.3486533

"There is nothing more vicious and monstrous than a Nazi."

...aaand that's why Antifa attacks anyone anytime anywhere without warning, cuz for Antifa, every white person is a nazi.
Like they do allover europe.

No.3486557

>>3486481 Didn't you get beat up by an Antifa one time? I seem to remember something about that.

No.3486578

wew lads how about those felony conspiracy charges

No.3486631
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>>3486548
Fucking everything that isn't outright supporting Antifa counts as "supporting nuhzees" to you braindead commies
how about fuck off

No.3486634

>>3486632

>If you're not supporting the violent, communist fascists on the left, than you MUST be a nazi!

Liberal logic.

No.3486645

>>3486643

>violent oppression of the exploited vs violent oppression of the exploiters

Fixed.

No.3486797

>>3486645 violent oppression of the exploited vs screeching oppression by the exploited.

Fixed

No.3486948
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>>3477564

No.3487260
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51682

Would the person maintaining the FA Conglomerator & FA NewSubs Conglomerator be willing to update them? I would really appreciate it. They've been loading blank pages for me for a couple of weeks now.

http://pastebin.com/u/lulzScript

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>>3487260
Greasemonkey 4.0+ breaks compatibility with older scripts. Had to roll back to ver 3.17.

No.3487297
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>>3487264 Tampermonkey works for me (in Waterfox, dunno about Firefox).

No.3487298

>>3487260
>>3487264
Use Tampermonkey instead. I didn't get the newest Greasemonkey to work with Firefox 57+ at all, so I switched to Tampermonkey. Tampermonkey works on Firefox 56-, Firefox 57+, other Firefox based browsers and also on Chrome and Chromium based browsers.
There is an updated install guide for Tampermonkey at https://pastebin.com/u/lulzScript

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>>3487297
dat touhou

No.3487324

>>3487308

To be fair, that sheet music is not actually anything, it's simply comedy. It was designed to make fun of the composer's contemporaries like Robert Crumb, who would often oversaturate their scores with absurd, often pointless observations and instructions. Most of the instructions in that score are either contradictory, impossible to perform on the designated instruments, or are designed to be skipped via instructions elsewhere in the score. From my recollection if that piece was actually performed 100% accurately, it would be almost entirely, if not entirely silence punctuated by a few sound effects.

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>>3487324

Robert Crumb
(googles)

Wait..........this guy?!

No.3487330
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>>3487329

Jesus, this guy was counter-culture personified, once upon a time. Well, his art, anyways.

No.3487339

>>3487329

Different one actually. Not the comic artist that made fritz the cat.

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462809

Could we have a Robert Crumb the cartoonist thread instead? That's be awesome!

No.3487369

Robert Crumb Documentary 1994

\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPEY58kDU2M

No.3487375

>>3487324 At least this performance disagrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCgT94A7WgI
(Myself not note literate enough to comment who
is right)

No.3487376

>>3487375

I've seen that 'performance'. That's more of a bunch of elderly people doing a piece of performance art loosely based around things written on the score and actually has little to nothing to do with the actual score.

No.3487377

>>3487376

If you would like a starting reference point for understanding what I mean, observe the bracket on the left side of the first grand-staff (the first two indented lines of the score). This is essentially saying "To be played by one performer, with two hands, on an unnamed instrument". Normally this would imply piano, but on numerous occasions it references playing methods designed for other instruments, many of which are not designed to have more than one note played at a time. The fact that the performance you showed is not a solo performance means that it can instantly be discounted right off the bat.

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>>3487377

You. Are. Literally. Autistic.

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>>3486645

>>violent oppression of the exploited vs violent oppression of the exploiters

The very moment the exploited start oppressing, they become the exploiters, unless this little detail escaped your mind, but I suppose >>3486636 is a brilliant example of Dunning-Kruger.

>>3486643

>>Violent oppression with private property vs violent oppression with no private property.

Tbh I like private property...

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No.3487479
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https://ychan.net/f/mt+little+pony+changelings/?results=20#129735

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No.3487481
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No.3487485
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>Evil Steam
No.3487495
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>>3487480

Episodes of season 8 and 9 have been leaked. Season 8 is mostly about Queen Chrysalis feeling that everyone has turned against her and stopped hating ponies just because they are different. Her children have joined the fruit colored liberal hive so she is alone in a shrinking world where no one even among her own kind is willing to be with her.

She tries to get revenge on everyone she blames for stopping her from establishing her white supremacy nation while the ponies try and redeem her and help her see that living together is the best way for everyone, including her.

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>>3487498

No.3487500
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No.3487501
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKv9lcge594

No.3487502
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No.3487503
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDO36WZMfLQ

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>>3487434

>>Dictatorship of the worker is a good thing

Are you for real? Cause if you are, and it's not just edgeposting, I am going to piss in your mouth you stupid entitled delusional 1st world shithead. Your commie teachers taught you shit that doesn't conform to actual reality. Your worker's utopia will never happen. Fuck, we've even moved on to a primarily service-based workforce anyway, your "problems" are literally 50-100 years out of date.

Also putting Joe factory worker in charge of an entire fucking country is the most stupidest idea ever (pic related), as much as I hate career fucking politicians as the alternative, at least usually the people advising them will be half-competent, not some friends or family of somebody in power who are way too underqualified to draft a plan for the country's economy. Especially since it ALL HAS TO BE PLANNED DOWN TO THE INSANEST TINIEST DETAIL.

And just so you know, communism is the REASON why my country is only bordering on being 1st world. Fuck, even then when we were a Kingdom we were not really too far behind the other countries, in terms of living standards (as shit as they were in average) and scientific development and contribution to tech and science innovations. Maybe if the Germans won WW2 we would actually be somewhere.

Also tell that to West Germans, who to this day have to subsidize through taxes the formerly commie economically sub-standard East Germany. To this day. Because communism fucks up an area and its people.

No.3487566
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>>3487547
Cool revisionism bro. You make porky happy.

No.3487568

>>3487566

I'm a hell of a lot more likely to listen to someone from a place marred by Communism than some American Stalin-loving hipster, you shmuck.

No.3487570
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>>3487566
Cool picture collage bruh. Hope none of those photos are staged.

My folks were kinda lucky enough to live in the countryside, and through connections and other family members could secretly trade stuff amongst themselves. But all the people I've spoken to in the cities said they remember the store shelves being mostly empty at times and it was hell. That's the problem with central planning. Doing a bad plan, people misinterpreting the directions or outright cutting corners to meet a stupid quota or the government outright starving you just to pay off some debts that nobody cared about in the end anyway and you end up with a shortage. Even fucking Orwell predicted this in "1984", written 1949. It's just bound to happen when you have bureaucracy AND incompetence working in tandem.

Also I am no friend of the rich either. It's just that I don't think a worker's fucking revolution will accomplish anything more than what it did for every other fucking country that tried it: miserable failure. Capitalism just works, bitch. Deal with it. Not saying it should be unhinged ancapistan-esque capitalism, but just enough so that things work. I never said "no worker's rights and protections". In fact you may find I am probably going to agree with most measures to rein in companies. Even China realized this. How dense are you?

No.3487572
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>>3487568

>I'm more likely to believe someone who was there...

Except he wasn't. That picture is from the 1991 food shortage created when Russia switched currencies. It had nothing to do with socialism or communism and everything to do with capitalism.

They were doing exactly what America is doing right now, they were pumping most of their budget into a military larger than they needed, underpaid their workers, and cut taxes on the wealthy then expecting the poor to cover the bill. The economy became detached from reality because the government was run by private contractors and corporate puppets. There was no incentive for the workers to work because they got paid so little it wasn't worth the effort.

One mine worker was quoted as saying, "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work."

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sovietcollapse.htm
http://students.sras.org/7-facts-about-the-april-1991-economic-crisis/

No.3487573
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>>3487568
Thanks.

Communism destroys the will to be inventive (why would you bother if the state takes credit anyway) and entrepreneurial (you can't, cause that's evil capitalist oppression), so it creates bored, lifeless depressed people that only do the job because not doing the job would get them sent to the gulag.

That's why most of the stuff in the Eastern Bloc was just knockoffs of Western capitalist innovations and would in the end be the final nail in the coffin for the USSR because people can take shit living conditions only for so long.

It also encouraged bribery, nepotism and corruption in general, because the system was oppressive and rigid, but humans still do what humans do, so it was inevitable. And that mentality remained even in Capitalism, because people were so brainwashed by the whole social circumstances around them, that it became second nature to be corrupt. That's why Eastern Europe is shit. It will never stop being shit even when all people born in communism and tainted by it will die out, because the next generation is also tainted by the bad commie habits of the previous one..

No.3487575
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>>3487572
I could upload a few pics from my home country and prove the point properly, but that would just give more ammo to the "he's a Slav" and the "no, he's Romanian" and "he's a Slav AND Romanian" people, so have google-searched images instead

No.3487577
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>>3487572
Also, yes, "I wasn't there" theoretically speaking, MY PARENTS were there, because I as a toddler didn't need to go buy food.

No.3487578
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>>3487576
You know, if I wanted to, I, a poorfag, could prove you wrong by getting a good business plan together and submitting the proper paperwork to get some EU funds to get my business off the ground, to show you that ANYONE can be an entrepreneur as long as they have a marketable idea for a product/service, but I'm just too lazy to do it.

I do have a childhood friend who is trying to get a tourism-oriented business off the ground soon, so yeah, anyone can do it.

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>>3487578

>get some EU funds to get my business off the ground, to show you that ANYONE can be an entrepreneur..

This is how Socialism works, kids.

No.3487583
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>>3487581
See >>3487570
Especially "Not saying it should be unhinged ancapistan-esque capitalism, but just enough so that things work. I never said <<no worker's rights and protections>>. In fact you may find I am probably going to agree with most measures to rein in companies."

Also that's the have the government subsidize the poor people to do stuff to improve their condition kind of socialism, not the LET'S OVERTHROW THE STATE AND BUILD A CLASSLESS WORKER'S UTOPIA (read: mob rule) kind of "Socialism".

No.3487602

>>3487575

Actually, those images are bullshit for one reason.
Almost all the shortages (Ie Venezuela) are usually because business stops trying to import because its not "cost worthy" for the owners.

Others (north korea) because a) they use all the money to military b) they get economically blocked by the superpowers like the US.

Cuba would have been a very important economy if it wasn't for the US trying at all costs to take down the economy just to prove a point and because they couldn't accept It was one of the very few countries that they could not take over with direct interventionism.

No.3487622
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>>3487611

>Communism! Communism Ev'rywar

Well played

Also, saging inna sticky trhead

No.3487625
>communism only works when fellow comrades don't know that things such as full grocery stores exist.

Damn that pesky capitalism with it's bountiful goods.

No.3487629
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>>3487575

This is the same asshole who spent weeks talking about how all governments eventually become corrupt then when I asked him what his better plan was he stopped replying. He's just trying to get attention.

Capitalism and socialism need to exist together in order to work. They are tools you use to fix specific kinds of problems. Neither is perfect and both need to be regulated so they don't spiral out of control. Capitalism in and of itself isn't bad. It is unchecked capitalism where a tiny group of people create monopolies that things go to shit. Socialism works best when applied to the needs that keep a nations economy thriving like education, healthcare, transportation infrastructure and so forth. The basic things all societies need.

No one system is perfect, no one method works 100% of the time.

No.3487630

>>3487627

Propaganda pictures? Kaaaay.
Sorry friendo, my older relatives and siblings lived in that commie shithole. They're boggled as to why anyone would want to bring that garbage back.

No.3487649
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>>3487630

>They're boggled as to why anyone would want to bring that garbage back.

No one is. Even the most serious left people in the world are democratic socialists which is just another word for capitalists that want a well regulated market that puts the benefits of people over the normal capitalist goal of making the maximum profit at any cost.

You are literally protesting a thing which does not exist. Communism isn't even a thing in communist nations any more. Capitalism won. We just want to stop capitalism from destroying the world by being left unregulated and out of control.

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In other news that doesn't deserve it's own thread, Bernie Sanders found a reason to make the Republicans vote for their tax scam again. Now when it passes they will have no excuse for the devastation it will cause to the economy. No more of this "I didn't know what was in the bill because we didn't have time to read it." now they have plenty of time. He's forcing them to vote to screw over their own base again. Bet that'll put a dent in the election come 2018.

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>>3487649

No.3487708

I bumped this thread weeks ago from the last page of the board to see how long it would take you retards to start screaming about commies or minorities or muslims or what ever, and you chuds did not disappoint.

No.3487714

>>3487629
Agree, Balance is the only key.

No.3487911

This little obscure corner of the internet is filled with easily-triggered whiny shitheads that are easily offended, think anyone who disagrees with them is worse than Hitler, and most of you lack employment.

It's been that way for years, actually- now the focus is less about "this furry pissed me off 5 years ago, everyone hate them" and more on "anyone who doesn't have my political views has cancer".

Most of you have also given up on ever having sex with another human being, and I'd be surprised if you are capable of masturbating to anything other than animal porn.

Sick Fucktarden holds onto TGFB even though it's used by all of 4 people now because he has to scream out "muh SRS went wrong and I still look like a man, SJWs are to blame!" somewhere, this place is joining that little faghole fast. Give it 6 months and ch00b will either get sick of paying to host or run out of money for a site that's used mainly by /pol/ escapees that can't accept other points of view.

No.3487917

>>3487911

>This little obscure corner of the internet is filled with...

Let's see... Hedda Trotshaw, 3B, Aufy, Steam.

And you.

No.3487921
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>>3487911
Suppose, just suppose you were right about everyone. Ok, now let's move on. What about you? Where d'you catch that bug? I see a lot of anger, a lot of impotence, and one is surely fueling the other.

No.3487958

>>3487921

He is never, ever going to answer this question. All he wants to do is bitch.

No.3487992

>>3487958

It's true. Look how long they took just to prove that they understand what a poster ID is?

>>3487921

No one's really sure what his deal is. Not even sure it's a "he", but I don't care. Cancer doesn't get gender distinction. All I know is that they're some left-leaning atheist who's values are mostly shrouded in mystery.

Leukemia mostly started off being a rather vocal Anti-Gamergate shill, spreading their false narrative with every opportunity and bashing on gamers, so we thought he was with their camp. But then it turns out Leukemia has no love for Anita Sarkeesian (who does, really), so that was a bit of a curveball. As for what else he's generally bitched at us at for the most part, I refer you to the middle section of post # >>3487822 .

It's tiring really. He'll make up any and all excuses to keep up his Haterade on us, with little to no evidence to justify it. And it's not just us. I've seen Leukemia pop up in old 4chan threads, with the same troll posts, the same reasons, the same "fuck your feelings". Basically, he was bashing on /pol/ from the start, back when he had their location right. It's quite obvious that Leukemia was unhinged even then, and when /pol/ got purged from 4chan, Leukemia seemed to attempt to hunt them down to wherever he thought they migrated or fragmented off to, and seems to keep it up to this day. For whatever reason, that includes Lulz.

>>3487911

This little obscure corner of the internet is filled with easily-triggered whiny shitheads that are easily offended, think anyone who disagrees with them is worse than Hitler, and most of you lack employment.

Leukemia just described Liberal shitmongs to a T
But he thinks we're all bible-thumping Conservative gamers

Did I forget to mention that Leukemia is also quite good at contradicting themselves?

No.3488009

>>3488000

Wha? YOU guys were the latecomers, smashing the balance.

God.....Leukemia really is cancer.........he's multiplying

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>>3487629

>>This is the same asshole who spent weeks talking about how all governments eventually become corrupt then when I asked him what his better plan was he stopped replying. He's just trying to get attention.

Sorry that I can't be online all the time to reply to every single damn comment you make, but I'll let you know I actually don't have an internet connection at home (my choice).
Also I didn't call you an asshole.
...
Recently.

>>Capitalism and socialism need to exist together in order to work.

Hey, that sounds fucking familiar. ALMOST LIKE.... I said that myself.

Also, yet again. Fuck commies.

No.3488017

>>3487629

>then when I asked him what his better plan was he stopped replying. He's just trying to get attention.

I told you multiple times, but you just weren't listening.

You keep saying it's the government's job to do this, that, and the other, and I said it has no such job: the government should only exists as a legal court set up by the people to settle their differences and strike compromizes - the government should not act as a proactive "leader" who gets to define what everyone else can do, because the moment you instate a leader of any sort, you get corruption.

The answer to the question is: don't put your faith in governments; re-define government in such a way that you do not have to trust "the system" to work. Have NO SYSTEM.

>No one system is perfect, no one method works 100% of the time.

You silently assimilated half my answer, claimed it as your own, and yet you didn't get half of it right. You're an incorrigible ass, and that's why I left.

No.3488018

>>3488015

>>>Capitalism and socialism need to exist together in order to work.
>Hey, that sounds fucking familiar. ALMOST LIKE.... I said that myself.

Wouldn't be surprised at all, because capitalism and socialism acting together is know as crony capitalism.

Which is fucking horrible. It's the worst of the two worlds combined, where social power gets to decide capital power, and capital power in turn gets first dibs on social power.

No.3488020
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>>3488018

No, not really. First, you need capitalism, you need to let people start and manage their own businesses.
But you also need to protect the workers, where socialism comes in.

No.3488022

>>3487629

>Capitalism in and of itself isn't bad. It is unchecked capitalism where a tiny group of people create monopolies that things go to shit.

Yet when governments actually regulate capitalism, they cause these issues by picking winners and losers among the market, according to what's in their own best interest. See the AT&T monopoly which was basically set up by the government.

>Socialism works best when applied to the needs that keep a nations economy thriving like education, healthcare, transportation infrastructure and so forth.

Except when is applied in such ways, the system develops its own internal goals which supercede the original external goals, the budgets and expenses start ballooning, and suddenly a tax collected for road construction gets spent on the military industrial complex - and the roads go unmaintained for decades.

>The basic things all societies need.

When the best leader's work is done the people say, 'We did it ourselves.'
--Lao Tzu

No.3488023

>>3488020

>But you also need to protect the workers, where socialism comes in.

Worker protection doesn't need socialism. Socialism means the social ownership and democratic control of the means of production, which goes directly against private ownership and control of the means of production, aka. you no longer own the factory you invested in and built, and cannot exert your will and control over your business because that power has been handed over to the "society" (read: the political class).

Labor rights and collective bargaining through unions is a separate question from socialism vs. capitalism, where the left has simply hijacked the cause as their own.

No.3488024

>>3488020
Also, many forget - especially the socialists - that even the modern welfare state wasn't a leftist invention but actually comes from Chancellor Bismarck.

>"All the modern twentieth-century European dictatorships of the right, both fascist and authoritarian, were welfare states"
>"They all provided medical care, pensions, affordable housing, and mass transport as a matter of course, in order to maintain productivity, national unity, and social peace."

Again the left likes to claim fame for that idea, to make it seem like the only way to have labor rights and welfare is by installing some form of socialist vanguard, when in fact the question can be settled quite simply by the people themselves: labor can organize and bargain for fair rights without turning into socialism. The left's insistence on being the leaders in this process is simpy preventing it from happening, because socialism is poisoning the well of the labor movement.

No.3488029

If you want to understand how you can solve the problems of socialism and capitalism, simply understand that you don't need either of them. You can mostly ignore the whole state machinery alltogether, as they will never solve the issue. The government hasn't got the power to do what only the people themselves can do - but they sure do like to pretend to get your vote and your money.

Simply do what must be done - and to do that you could start by learning from those who already do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_the_Debt_Trap

>Cooperatives seem on average to last longer and be more responsive to the needs of customers and the communities in which they operate, because their shared ownership and participative management generally makes labor more flexible while reducing the incentives of upper management to maximize short-term performance at the expense of the long term.

Example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

> tenth-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2014, it employed 74,117 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[3] By 2015, 74,335 people were employed.
>$12 billion a year worker-owned corporation

The reason why cooperatives win in the long term is because they're not self-destructive. The corporation exists to benefit its owners, and in a traditional capitalist corporation the owner acts like a parasite on a body, like a fungus controlling a zombie ant, because they can: the whole thing exists just for them. They made it happen, so they can drive the corporation to the ground, and in fact often do by purchasing and then destroying competitors, because they are not personally affected by it - other people's jobs and lives are just tradeable commodities to the owner. Meanwhile, in the cooperative corporation, everyone has a stake in, and nobody has a golden parachute so they better make sure everyone gets by alright.

Trying to force cooperation by taking away, or restricting private ownership of the means of production, is socialism; it's like trying to make people act charitably, which instantly fails its purpose because it's forcing you to do the voluntary, which turns it involuntary. All the problems that follow from socialism follow from that basic contradiction.

But, negating socialism and demanding full laizzes-faire capitalism is still missing the point, as it's still putting trust on the social system to make things work for everyone, which won't automatically happen due to the parasites mentioned above who will fuck you over if you just let them. What you need to realize is that there is a better way to do things, but it requires you to do it. Not bank on any political party or candidate to do it for you.

So people like 3B going on the Bernie train are just being taken for fools, likewise on the Trump train. Even people who call themselves "moderates" are not going to help you - they're just in to fuck you between the toes, and recruit as many tools to their political rallies as possible while doing absolutely jack shit about anything.

Wake up already: politics is dead.

No.3488033
>anyone who says a thing I disagree with has cancer! No it can't be several people, muh opinion is the popular one, it's all ONE person that doesn't like what I like! It's not multiples! Stop not liking what I like, you have cancer, that explains why you're not conservative, you are sick!

I'd tell you to never have kids but your hero is a gay Jew reporter and you hate women so that's not likely to happen. You get as much pussy as Sam Farber, and you're as much of a pussy as Richard Spencer.

I wish he had brain cancer to explain his bullshit crying over Lou-Key-Me-Yeah or whatever but nah, this obsessive jackass is just a moron who hates opposing views. I thought this was a /pol/ meme but they don't do it, it's one whiny fuck who never leaves this forgotten shithole of a board. Hell off himself someday when the real world finally eats away at his right-wing fantasy.

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>>3488042

>>3488023
okay to be fair I didn't include the part about wealth redistribution and helping out the poorer social classes, I also agree with some of that.

I don't mind state owning or managing certain sectors of business, or certain public services, but I have to admit that IN GENERAL these do better under private ownership. Or at least, with private businesses acting as competition to prevent state monopoly.

No.3488046

>>3488039

>lol

I'm not shitting around. For example, when AT&T started abusing their dominant market position, the government went "Alright, you're too damn close to a monopoly, so now you have to go through us to validate any new purchase of a local telco so you don't get any more powerful".

And then they rubberstamped every single fucking one of them without question, letting AT&T grow and grow to the point that the job of the government was simply to dictate the prices dictated to them by AT&T lobbyists.

The government's job was supposed to be to protect the people from the self-serving assholes of this world, but as the government consists of the very same assholes as everyone else, and the very nature of a government is to concentrate the assholiness of people into a single congress that gets to decide what everyone else can do, all the people can do for the sake of their own wellbeing is to restrict the power of what that government can do on its own. Otherwise, there's no end to trouble.

No.3488047
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>>3488042
Also yeah Marxism =/= Socialism.
It annoys me that people generally think that.

No.3488049

>>3488042

>Hitler also said the same thing.
>>>3488047

Hitler also said this:

>Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, Deutschland, Deutschland, über Alles, to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land, land and people — that man is a Socialist.

-- Hitler, Mein Kampf

Hitler re-defined socialism to mean nationalism, which isn't the point here, as nationalism is about the hegemony of states that would assert arbitrary control on you. The state is again the idea that your efforts belong not to yourself or your own social environment, but some arbitrarily defined society - again as if a guy in Seattle has to work his ass off to benefit another guy in Florida just because some asshole in Washington says they have to.

No.3488050

>>3488045

>I don't mind state owning or managing certain sectors of business, or certain public services

A state-owned business or service is simply another form of cooperative ownership. The problem with consumer (as opposed to production) cooperatives though is that the consumers rarely exert their power as they expect just to use the service, so the controlling members get to do whatever the fuck they like. That's a problem with large co-op store chains for example, where the executive board bleeds out money by building ever-more new shopping centers and expansions that nobody really needs, in order to avoid giving the profits back as dividends to the actual owners - who in turn are largely ignorant of what's going on because they're just collecting the shopping bonuses out of inflated prices.

So, when the government collects tax to provide all sorts of services, they allocate some of the funds to the actual services, and other funds to all sorts of extraneous activities that provide kickbacks to the members of the government and benefit their adjacent special interest groups. The public may complain that they aren't getting enough services for their money, but they can't see why that is happening, and by their voting behaviour cannot directly change the fact that it is happening, or re-direct any of the taxes to specific purposes, so they're fuck out of luck.

No.3488064

>>3488047

Yes it does.

Socialism's definition and Wikipedia references Marxism and communism. Marxism and communism refer back to socialism. They feed directly into each other.

You can think of it like a right arm and a left arm, they're not each other, but they're still part of the same body and work in tandem.

One is more the government social policy, the other is the economic social policy. In the end, both privilege classes of people, groups, over individual's, the rights of individuals, and individual outcomes.

It's a social policy of a beehive vs the social policy of say, tigers. Bees work for the overall health of the hive. Tigers pair together just to create children, and the children live with the mother just long enough to become self sufficient and after that, they're entirely responsible for their own survival.

As mammals who are quite good at being selfish, I think we're naturally suited towards the latter strategy than the whole alien hivemind thing.

Very few people would ensure their own death in defense of a stranger-citizen, but most people would ensure their own death in defense of their own children for example.

No.3488151

>>3488049

Hitler didn't "redesign" socialism into Nationalism...

...it was socialism that he used as a way to reach out and influence people by peddling them free shit.

Believe it or not, Nazi Germany was incredibly socialist, to the point that if you really delve into what the Nazis were trying to push, you'd think you were listening to Bernie Sanders.

Their idea was that "Rich people" (Jews), stole their money, and by attacking Jews (Rich people), Nazis demanded their money and wealth for some mysterious and poorly thought out crimes.

Sounds like your average Che shirt wearing socialist talking about "Bankers".

PS: "Bankers" used to be "Jew Bankers", but no one says that anymore, but it's the same implication.

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prepare your requests cause an artist is about to draw for Christmas!

No.3488252

>>3488251 I find that unlikely. But hey, I'll give it a sticky if true.

No.3488263

>>3488151

>Believe it or not, Nazi Germany was incredibly socialist, to the point that if you really delve into what the Nazis were trying to push, you'd think you were listening to Bernie Sanders.

Kew word is

>were trying to push

Because Germany was an oligarch state, most Fascist regimes were oligarch states with financial elite in control. You know that Fascist sate is really a big corporation, if you look closely to it their policies within state are very similar to policies within big corporations.

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>>3486557 yes.... and that I know was real , were eye witness a police report. He's a trian hopper who goes by the name Echo. Believe what ever you want, it fucking happened.

No.3488304

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No.3488513

>>3486429
key word.. radical..

just like radical christians also murdered people..
just like how Buddhists are killing muslims too...

No.3488546

>>3488513

>Buddhists are killing muslims

Actually radical buddhists or sikhs are almost non-existent, they're true pacifists unlike most religions, if it weren't for muslims who tried to genocide them first with a cowardly surprise attack, no wonder they're crying crocodile tears to the media now that they're tasting their own medicine, now they're taking responsibility for your actions, this wasn't a small group of a few radical muslims who did the attack, it was the huge majority:
https://youtu.be/xC7QFwiHYkI

No.3488571

>>3488546

This is not the only case dipshit.

Buddhists for example have had their own civil wars too, killing other groups and nearby religions.

No.3488579

>>3488571
Sauce/examples?

Specifically, with religious, as opposed to national background. c

No.3488619

>>3488546

I've seen videos from Buddhist countries of temples going to war with each other, fortunately it appears to be only sticks are used as weapons.

Last one I saw was a dispute among two temples over tourist dollars. (Naturally)

No.3488623

>>3488579

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence#Southeast_Asia

No.3488674

>>3488513
It's not even radical, it's fundamentalist. Mohammad taught his followers to kill all non-Muslims. Islam is inherently violent and terroristic. I'm not sure if Jesus ever said to kill and or subjugate everyone who didn't follow him, but I'm pretty sure Buddha, didn't.

No.3488675

>>3488674, see >>3488623. There are extremists in all religions.

No.3488676

>>3488675
An extreme pacifist does not kill people. There are people who kill in spite of their religion's teachings and there are people who kill as directed by their religion's teachings. Some religions are founded on violent conquest, and Islam is one of them.

You can corrupt a religion to make it violent, but Islam doesn't need corruption. It is already violent at its core.

No.3488678

>>3488676

Technically if you read the bible.. its pretty violent as well.
Littered with conquests, murders, exterminations..

Still, plenty of leaders who modify, change, swing their religions for their own purposes. Be economical, power or just plain vanity.

No.3488682

>>3488678

All, and I do mean all religions are of two types.

  1. "Believe the way we tell you or you'll be killed/jailed/punished!"
  2. "Take our word for it, never mind their is no evidence our beliefs are real and not just fairytales."
No.3488708

>>3488682

>all religions are of two types

Then Buddhism cannot be a religion.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.065.than.html

>As they sat there, the Kalamas of Kesaputta said to the Blessed One, "Lord, there are some brahmans & contemplatives who come to Kesaputta. They expound & glorify their own doctrines, but as for the doctrines of others, they deprecate them, revile them, show contempt for them, & disparage them.
>And then other brahmans & contemplatives come to Kesaputta. They expound & glorify their own doctrines, but as for the doctrines of others, they deprecate them, revile them, show contempt for them, & disparage them. They leave us absolutely uncertain & in doubt: Which of these venerable brahmans & contemplatives are speaking the truth, and which ones are lying?"
>"Of course you are uncertain, Kalamas. Of course you are in doubt. When there are reasons for doubt, uncertainty is born. So in this case, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.'
>When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering' — then you should abandon them.
>When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness' — then you should enter & remain in them.
No.3488714

>>3488708

It still is the "Take our word for it..." type.

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This can apply to ANY religion.

No.3488716

>>3488714

>It still is the "Take our word for it..." type.

How?

It's explicitly saying "Don't take our word for it". The relationship between the student and the teacher in Buddhism is exactly that the student has the responsibility of choosing the teacher and the teaching.

If you choose to define religion like that, where simply suggesting someone to evaluate the truth for themselves is seen as religious dogma, then there cannot be anything but religion. All ideas become religion.

No.3488778

>>3488714

Buddhism basically tells you why shit is bad and it's really up to you if you want to follow what they say or not. Even karma is misunderstood as some sort of cosmic force of retribution, when it's more like digging your own grave. Or in other words, hate others and you'll end up hating yourself, love money and you'll always feel poor and so on.

No.3488877

jesus

No.3488894

Thank God for Jesus!

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Couldn't be more correct.

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>>3488908
In fairness, a lot of those are Op-Eds, and most rely on the old Russell's Teapot argument - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

TL;DR: I say there's a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between Mars and Earth - prove me wrong.

And I say this as an agnostic theist (I think there's a God or some form of higher power, but I admit to having zero evidence of it)

No.3488920

>>3488674 [Jesus said] But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:27

No.3488923

>>3488908

> Why did the natural world always – so far as we know – obey laws of mathematics?

Simple answer: it doesn't.
1) Mathematics is a study of rules which can be formulated, so any system that has any rules can be said to "obey mathematics". This is an ass-backwards way of proving God because it's a truism; a semantical magic trick.

2) Not all of nature is proven to follow rules. E.g. quantum mechanics cannot be explained by "hidden variables" or more fundamental underlying rules, rather it appears to be fundamentally random, even though a non-random classical world may emerge from it at a larger scale.

No.3488925

(G)od almost definitely doesn't exist. A god is possible. If there is a god they probably don't have an existing religion and don't seek worship. What the hell is worship for anyways? lol. Some Stargate style soul battery shit? A higher being with a fetish?

Some of it straight up reeks of "papa was never in my life but I still hope for cummies."

No.3488976

>>3488906

You're an atheist. You have bought into your own smug self-assurance that you know everything about everything when in fact the sum knowledge of the human race hasn't even put the tiniest mark of the vast complexity of this dimensional universe much less a potential multiverse of infinite realities. You furthermore have concluded by your minuscule understanding of said universe/multiverse that there is no God. You demand proof of God and that your caveman like understanding of the cosmos indicates there is no God. The whole point of faith is there is no proof except what you find within yourself and what you observe about your fellows and the world around you. God doesn't run popularity contests, He tests people to make sure those He offers companionship with Him for all eternity aren't a pack of smug self-assured assholes that are going to be one headache after another for all time. You know of God, you know what He stands for and what He's all about. So you of your own volition have turned your back. Good for you. Now, when the time comes, and it will, I would pay a dollar to see the look on your face when you realize your wrong, and a billion dollars to see the look on your face when you realize how youre going to be spending eternity. Since you can't even conceive what eternity is or wrap your head around it, the shock and horror when you receive your fate is so mind-blowingly horrific... So for your sake, buddy... you better be fucking right. :) The consequences for being wrong are beyond you're ability to reason.

No.3488977

>>3488976

>The whole point of faith is there is no proof except what you find within yourself and what you observe about your fellows and the world around you.

You're running a double argument. First you assert no proof is needed, then you admit that proof is available and necessary - after all, if you have no reason to believe, why do you believe?

> You know of God, you know what He stands for and what He's all about.

Actually, we don't. Nobody has defined God to such a degree that we could even agree we're talking about the same thing. Is it Allah, Yahweh, Krishna, Shiva? Which of the millions of understandings of God are you referring to, and why do you think that is the correct one? Why should I think it's the correct one.

>I would pay a dollar to see the look on your face when you realize your wrong, and a billion dollars to see the look on your face when you realize how youre going to be spending eternity

Just those words, placing that bet, would ensure your place in hell just the same. What, did you think God would want callous, malicious assholes in heaven with him?

Maybe you do - maybe that's your God.

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>>3488976

>when you realize your wrong
>how youre going to be spending eternity
>The consequences for being wrong are beyond you're ability to reason

You should ask for forgiveness for this post.

No.3488981

>>3488976

>Since you can't even conceive what eternity is or wrap your head around it, the shock and horror when you receive your fate is so mind-blowingly horrific...

The common Christian understanding of eternity is childish. Consider the ground of being, even behind God there is a more fundamental something, because for all things we can say that existence precedes essence; that means, before anything has any properties or qualities, it must exist. Therefore, before God, before the world, something IS, which is not called God or the world. IT is the true uncaused, unmoved, pure existence, which cannot be named, described, defined, studied or measured because it is before all qualities. We can use words like void, sunyata, ground of being, but always remembering that whatever we call it is not its true name, so we don't fall to the error of thinking that by naming it we understood it.

Whatever IT is, it just IS, and this is the ground of being from which all the named and the unnamed things arise, it's the true eternity which outlasts heaven and hell, to which heaven and hell return once they've run through their course. It is the eternity of eternities in which any universe of any kind is not even a blip because it is truly timeless, boundless, spaceless, yet it contains everything and everything is IT.

So when Gods arise, the come out of IT, and they understand nothing and think "I am IT, I am all there is", because they are like children - they don't know what the difference is between this and that - so they start to differentiate between things like a baby once realizes that they have hands, legs, toes, fingers, and then other things which don't seem to be attached to the body, and as they are doing so the Gods think, "I am creating these things out of myself because previously there was nothing but me, and now all these things appear just as I am thinking about them, so I am the Creator, I am the maker of this world". And so the God "makes" the world as it happens to come out of the void this time around.

So it repeats. If it didn't repeat then it would be static and nothing would happen, so there could be no God, no heaven and no hell, no eternity to experience because experiencing is a doing and a doing requires there to be a change in the way things are. Therefore, your eternity in heaven or hell eventually runs out - it must change - so the world must change.

So you get to live again, you get to happen again, and every time you experience pleasure and suffering. Every time around you are in heaven AND in hell, in the true eternity of eternities in which the God's eternity in hell is not even a blip - though you won't remember it after the cycle is done.

Think about it.

No.3488986

>>3488980

>And look who it's by, of all peope.

It's a nice novel, but the glaring plot-hole is that the omnipotent God couldn't create just the damn computer and save all the trouble of 14 billion years of existence to solve a simple calculation.

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>>3488981

>So when Gods arise, the come out of IT, and they understand nothing and think "I am IT, I am all there is", because they are like children

This is more or less the way Gnostics describe the Demiurge who created material existence and the true God: the Monad, the Perfect Aeon, the First Principle.

No.3489027

>>3489015
Gnosticism is an offshoot of Judaism where they invented a new God above the God of the prophecies when the prophecies failed to come true. It's basically anti-Judaism.

The idea of the gnosis got corrupted by the fact that they had to shoehorn the idea of the Monad to fit the existing scripture that was being written by the Christians, another popular ex-Jewish group that was looking to consolidate its power, so Gnosticism hijacked or molded itself around that story and started asserting that the Biblical canon is true. It simply inserts a "prequel" to explain certain things its own way.

The problem with gnosticism is that it assumes a dualism between God and the world, which means the supremest God they're referring to, the Monad, cannot be the true ground of being, the real IT which has no dual or opposite. They try to define God through apophatic theology, by telling what God isn't, but they stop just short of IT.

No.3489033

I'd like to take a minute to interrupt your discussion on whatever the fuck and get back to the original point of this thread, because it seems to no longer be.

Dan, you still around? https://dev.lulz.net/furi/ has been down for some time. What's the scoop?

No.3489041
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>>3489033 Beats me, I'd surmise cho0b didn't want to pay for the domain anymore.

No.3489106

>>3489041
In general, you buy the entire second-level domain, e.g., lulz.net. Once you have that, anything beyond it is already yours... there's no extra charge for dev.lulz.net or www.lulz.net or whatever.lulz.net.

No.3489290

>>3489106 Maybe it was hosting space?

He's been quiet in IRC, so I ain't got any real answers for ya.

No.3489314

>>3489041
I'd surmise he thought it wasnt worth all the effort for the 6 people that still bother posting here


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