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153800 No.3517299

Hello all.

Those of you of an administrative position in the business of operating a furry forum, meet, convention or other furry related business as I do; may want to take notice of this very serious situation regarding the recent ideological* purge.

I just discovered that IMVU, the parent company for Furaffinity, is now being sued for at least 1.5 million for its role in perpetuating the TORT of Defamation and Character Assassination against an entire class of furs.

Defamation which, as near as I can tell, initially began with an economic act of war against RMFC by way of a "petition to boycott RMFC unless it bans an entire group of furs known as furry raiders" including raiders that did help run RMFC for years.

This lawsuit does name some of the major players involved in these crimes against furs and our furry culture including Dragoneer, Deo and Dogpatch.

It appears that not only did FA become a party to the defamation against numerous furs by way of block lists and banning entire groups of furs; this may also involve contractual issues such as a breach of contract harming users who acted in good faith by maintaining their FA pages and placing their PROPERTY (journals, submissions and etcetera) in the care of this IMVU agency now being sued.

But also; potential civil crimes by way of banning furs from a business merely based on concepts or ideology such as their mere personal beliefs, religion, culture or politics which of course; are crimes against the many Constitutions and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) which are supposed to protect us from these types of discrimination.

This case is in it's early stages and the legal maneuvering has only just begun and I am of the opinion this probably needs to go to a higher law jurisdiction in light of the contractual and civil issues on an international level since this IMVU agency does conduct business world wide where international commercial law and UDHR does apply in these cases.

And of course; the FA sponsors may now be sponsoring-supporting harm against numerous furs on a grand scale including grand theft 'pirating' of all the properties of all the users who did not contractually agree to engage in criminal activities when they submitted their properties of their journals and images to FA then were harmed by way of Fraud on Contract that was amended without due process or agreement of all the parties to the contract in Blatant Violation of Contract Law as well as its own Terms Of Service of this IMVU agency.

For those who are interested in these things such as those who administrate forums or events involving our fellow furs; here is an interview with the party who did bring and file this lawsuit against IMVU and its subsidiary FurAffinty:

It is going to be VERY interesting to see how this plays out with regards to these potential crimes such as perpetuating defamation and character assassination by way of things such as block lists, bans, slander and libel that perpetuates the defamation somebody ELSE issued such as a petition, boycott or crusade of Deo Comrades on a forum that could potentially be held liable as a party to these crimes including the potential felony of false reporting of a crime by way of accusing others of a crime where none exists.

This is just business and it is NOT good business to be violating generally accepted business practices including a code of ethics regarding how all people shall be treated Equally and with Respect for all. And to NOT use the violence of intimidation to achieve a political goal such as "Conform to our political standards or be banned" which is a definition of terrorism.

I did not create this known history and legal action that does exist.
I am merely a messenger of this news regarding our furry culture.
My desire is that we do a better job of treating each other equally.

Kindest regards;


*ideological purge of Furaffinity-

Who and what is scorch?
A short bio of more recent facts-


First his wife cucks him, now this. Bwahaha.


Fucking millennials.


Oh, please. Go fuck yourself, Scorch. This is all you ever do: talk, and talk, and talk. Because you're nothing but talk. You've never had the fucking balls to do anything more.

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Do it

Do it all


I don't like FA and its moronic management butI don't see what ground they have, FA can kick whoever they want, it's their servers, it's not a democracy with free speech.


scorch is fucking based. But 1.5 Million $ sounds like a pretty tiny amount for a lawsuit in burgerstan. Can we please get it to 10 Million at least?




Sure they can ban whoever they want and censor content however they want. But when you go and defame someone, suddenly your right to do whatever you want ends. They called certain groups "hate groups". Now they're legally going to have to back that up with proof or get their shit kicked in.

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itt people defend SovCits




Oh shit, really? This should be fun. :3

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It's fueled by your work, your art, your comments, and they treat you like shit., You are still the cuck here Anon! But why?

This is defamation and despite not being a fan I do support this person's initiative.

Celestial Speed to you, OP!

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This should be an amusing era of FA.

>they called people who support the Nazi ideology a "hate group"

They ARE a hate group!



>art should be free, it's for the enrichment of the world

Fuck you. The world's not enough "art" floating around, if every artist collectively quit making drawings, stories, music, movies, TV shows, there would still be enough in existence we'd never run out.

You want more? Artists need payment and ownership. Don't want to pay or let them own it? They don't have to make it if they don't want to.

That's how the world really works, get used to it.



>I don't see what ground they have

I'd personally laugh the defamation shit out of court if I were a judge. Furries talk so much shit that the entirety of the fandom would get sued and broke.

On the other hand, the contractual stuff/copyright I would put to trial. Fun thing is that a contract cannot overrule law. The ending or termination of a contract where objects of copyright are of concern should in theory mean that the site has no further legal right to host or redistribute the uploader's art, the whole "in perpetuity" contract clause be damned. Copyright holder should maintain full control of copyright in all circumstances.


Good luck trying to prevent people from downloading images off of the internet fag



>Artists need payment and ownership.

No they don't. If you're already paid for it, it's no longer yours. Copyright is double dipping for extra cash you didn't work for.

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I'm gonna get drunk tonight (`・ω・´)

Sean Piche you made your ☭BED☭ now lie in it.

Defamation has nothing to do with SovCits. FA defamed people by implying certain people/groups are hate groups and refused them service based on those criteria, which is a damage to the reputation of said people/groups and now it's going to court, simple.
TL;DR if lеftists keep calling people nаzis, one day they may be slammed with a defamation lawsuit. And that's GOOD. So, do your research before you say shit about people :>


if everyone who made art for money or bought art fucked off, leaving behind only enthusiasts willing to put in time and effort then the fandom would be an immeasurably better place to socialise, with an immeasurably larger focus on animal-people rather than on individual personalities.



>If you're already paid for it, it's no longer yours.

Doctrine of first sale on art does not apply unless the contract specifies so or the work of art in question deals with a character that you own/have trademark upon/copyright upon. This is probably one of the very few things that can break any sort of commission.

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>scorch is fucking based.

What is this? This use of "based?" I see it a lot. Is it a misspelling of biased? Is it a meme, where people are intentionally misspelling it to mock someone who did on twitter or something? #outoftheloop

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>"hate groups"

Okay, so let's clear this up once and for all, cause I have been in these groups that lеftist indoctrinauts call "hate groups" and it's nothing like it in reality. Who could have guessed.

Before I even begin, here are my biases. My political position is Centrist*

From my observation 9/10 of furries who are said to be in "hate groups" are actually cеntrists, kicked out lеftists who did a wrongthink or people just fucking fed up with the progressive socjus politically correct hysteria nowadays.

We want a place where we can say stuff without having to walk on eggshells, post a few edgy jokes maybe, maybe say what we really feel about some issues even if it's not the politically correct opinion to have, laugh at oversensitive babies who want to ruin this for us and basically have a home where we know we'll always be welcome as long as we aren't too much of a nuisance to the other members. A PLACE THAT WON'T BAN US FOR HAVING THE "WRONG" OPINIONS. Can't have that anymore nowadays.

It's mostly the kind of average regular furry you'd bump into until ~2012 in terms of attitude. Basically it's furs who wanna go back to the "pre-tumblr" days. Regular non- and anti-SJW people chatting about stuff going on, making art, making edgy memes, sharing porn, pissing on political correctness and far-left ideology (cause you asked for it). We're building alternate communities and being the change we want to see. These are the places that the far left call "hate groups"

Overall there's a wide range of opinions. And even if there are self-proclaimed "nаzis", you can't label an entire group a "hate-group" cause there's like one. Or heaven forbid even two of those omg. How does being a furry and a national socialist at the same time work anyway (larpers excluded)? Furry itself is "degeneracy" to even more moderate rіght wіng people, any furry that has talked to /pol/ or AltRight on Twitter and Youtube surely knows this :v


*- technically lеft-wing libertarian moderate in average with some righty opinions, but I'm ashamed of the absolute fucking state of the left nowadays so I don't take that label any more). But I am very left-leaning on nearly most social issues. Right-leaning on guns and defense (and maybe economics to a degree). Far-right on Islam and 3rd world immigration (I stopped caring what other people think at this point, it's getting too hot for comfort here in Europe, especially with my atheism and gayness).

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I think I know about 2 people around who are as close as you get to the Alt-Right (not necessarily National Socialist) in their rhetoric. Not saying who, but I'll say this much. One of them did lots of anti-gay posts during pride month (now I have my issues with pride month and the lgbt community, even if I'm gay myself but this dude took it too fucking far maybe) and the other took a dump on skeptics and centrists on stream, being unable to understand that we're not actually fence-sitting cucks, but our politics just don't align with most left-wіng and most rіght-wіng positions and that's all). Maybe 4-5 furries and/or bronies who are actually honest conservatives (furry doesn't have all that many of those) and we often disagree on stuff. There's a handful of Religious Right people too, I really like disagreeing with those.

And I have to say these communities were always very accepting and welcoming. I mean if we have people like Chairman Squeek (national.. bolshevist??) and Telikonol (antіfa, but he's/she's cool) around, in fact I think Squeek was/is a mod, we even did let some of the SJW furries in until they started gathering dox and posts to complain about and allegedly putting all members on the FA to-be-banned list.

And yes, I do admit that if you poll some of these groups, you may get a greater than 50% amount of people who have opinions that are pro country borders, pro gun and self-defense, anti 3rd world migrant immigration (but not necessarily against legal immigration), anti-Feminist and anti-Islamist. Hell, there may even be a few people who will have the balls to admit that race is a biological reality (not necessarily that anything should or can be done about it) or that we're pro freedom of association and against government attempts to inject "diversity" into our neighbourhoods and that maybe white people have a right to exist as white people and not be ashamed of their identity. Spicy hot opinions amirite? Well that doesn't make us part of "hate groups".

We don't dislike people, we dislike the ideas that some people put forward and it's our human right to say our opinions as our conscience dictates us, even if you disagree. We may dislike people who commit terror and subversive actions against us, but that's not a bad thing either really, as long as you can see and judge all people as INDIVIDUALS, not by groups or race or gender or whatever. Something that the far left is more guilty of really.

TL;DR Anyone calling these groups of non-SJ furries "hate groups" is engaging in defamation.

And if you don't believe it, why don't you check for yourself. Or if you wanna have some fun and are tired of killjoys ruining the fandom, join the Raiders, join Xanadu, post in #AltFurry, don't be too much of a dick, share ideas and art and get to know people who can take a joke.

Alright, I'm done.



How do they imagine this working? You don't need a download button. You just need right click > save as. And if you use javascript to disable right click, I'll disable java. Ultimately, I can just hit print screen if I have to, or pull the file out of cache. The point is, if I am viewing it on my monitor, it is already downloaded. Viewing is downloading.

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The involvement of one SovCit nutjob is irrelevant to the core of the lawsuit.

This is about defamation not about "fuck the state I know my rights"

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whoa there marx and engels


I'm not posting to FA :P

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Isn't it a bit too early to be getting drunk?



>Before I even begin, here are my biases. My political position is Centrist*

Thanks for telling us all that you're a liar to begin with.


>The involvement of one SovCit nutjob is irrelevant to the core of the lawsuit.

Uh, he IS the core of the lawlsuit.

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Ummmm.... o.o;;;
To my defense, timezones. It was already late in the afternoon when I made that post.

But Neer getting his pants sued off him and possibly stepping down as admin (hah, we can only hope) is a cause worth drinking to at any hour in the day lol

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>>Thanks for telling us all that you're a liar to begin with.

No, that means that I admit that I am not entirely neutral in this issue. And obviously neither are you. Fucking obviously.

Your lot is full to the brim with dishonesty. You pretend you're just the "average rational person" when you are in fact peak utopian leftism.
You assume I'm telling the truth when what I say you view as bad and you assume I'm lying when what I say is something you could agree with, cause you can't have me saying things that make sense.
You have to dehumanize me and portray me as a bad and untrustworthy person, cause otherwise you fear I might be right and change minds.
I've seen this time and time again and your tactics don't work on me buddy.

>>he IS the core of the lawlsuit

How does him being a SovCit tie into the lawsuit? Care to explain? Or is this basically an attempt at smearing and downplaying the lawsuit with basically guilt by association.

It's not like your lot does this kind of shady underhanded shit for the first time.



>Your lot
>You have to dehumanize me

I love it when hypocrites get angry.

Anyway, you aren't a centrist or a left-libertarian. The only "left" social issues you back are self-serving ones. This is why I call you a liar.

>How does him being a SovCit tie into the lawsuit? Care to explain?

I don't have time to explain sovcit shit to you, largely because it's irrelevant to this exchange, but let's clear things up.

You: (SovCit nutjob) is irrelevant to the lawsuit.
Me: he is the person that filed the lawsuit.
You: What does him being a SovCit have to do with the lawsuit?
Me: ?__?

So watching the legal drama unfold, IMVU has already fucked up by being unable to respond to/reply/file specific things in a timely manner.

I wonder if IMVU bought FA's incompetent legal representation as well when they bought FA?


Is this a class action lawsuit? Because I want in! :D I like money.



>it's irrelevant to this exchange

It's irrelevant to the lawsuit too.



>butI don't see what ground they have

they're implimenting a technique that's grown in popularity in recent years, known as "hurrrrrrrrrr faaaaaaaaaart waaaaah"


RMFC was cancer.

RMFC was threatened by lefty cancer. (deo)

The new crowd running DenFur is cancer.

OP is also cancer. (as are all "soverign citizens")

This entire thread gave me ligma (and cancer)



How? They're both owned by Best Buy. Only way they'll get into financial distress is if the furfags in the investorship at BestBuy decide the IMVU/FA boat has sunk.


This lawsuit will get tossed out. It's baseless bullshit from an assmad racist. No, you wanna take Dragoneer down, compile all the Zaush/ferality stuff and send it to every media outlet. Take him down for something he actually did.


This is why work for hire should apply to all paid art jobs, period. Artists don't need to keep ownership of work they were paid to draw, and if they wish to do so they can lose customers. On second thought, let them die homeless for being so greedy.


Know the character Basehead from Black Dynamite? I think it means someone is a fucking moron comparable to being on serious drugs, but mainly in pro-/pol/ viewpoints

>is a piece of shit
>has always been a piece of shit
>will never stop being a piece of shit
>"The SJWs did this."

sovereign citizens are the most retarded autists to ever grow from cumloads. if we're lucky the judge will tell the bailiff to shoot Scorch and then Dragoneer.


>>3517605 Interestingly, I had a twatter user (now deleted) messing with a friend's video, stating that it depicted Dragoneer and indicating it in a very hostile way. Nothing I did would convince this person otherwise, so I had to issue a takedown on it. Twitter complied, the person screamed that I was a fake account, then vanished.

I have to wonder, since this person was also tweeting to some alt-right fur group, if it was related to the problems at FA.


When exactly did that happen? I'm still finding plenty of results for that on FA.

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