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17017 No.3511085

How do I get better at drawing? And don't give me bullshit like "practice" or "study", I want the real answer!

No.3511086
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are you sitting and drawing or are you standing and drawing? standing while drawing helps you focus more freeing all the blood vessels from your legs also your motivation plays an important role.

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https://www.artistsnetwork.com/art-mediums/pastel/how-to-paint-the-pros-and-cons-of-sitting-or-standing/

No.3511088

Drawing is an exercise in copying. If you can see a picture, you can copy it line by line simply by re-drawing it until it looks right.

For most people, what they see in their mind's eye is instantly distorted by what they actually see on the paper because the brain is actively trying to replicate the surrounding reality instead of hallucinating things that don't exist. The brain tries to draw in your mind what exists outside of the mind, while what you're trying to do is shape the outside reality to look like what's in your brain.

So, the secret to drawing is being able to hold a clear and consistent mental image of the picture you want to draw for long enough that you've actually drawn it. You simply copy what's in your mind.

This skill comes through practice, and the more you practice the more elaborate the picture you can draw because you're able to hold a more complex image in your head for a longer time and you're able to lay down the lines with confidence without re-doing them multiple times. But if you don't want to practice then you have to draw simpler pictures. Instead of imagining the end result, you have to imagine intermediate states of the image. Then you simply copy that onto the paper, and then imagine more details as you go along. For example, if you want to draw a perfect circle, you start by laying out an equal sided box, and then round out the corners.

This is why artists start by laying out simple lines for scale, then simple circles and boxes for shape, then fill in the lines for detail, then the color, shade, etc.. They don't realize what they're actually doing is breaking the process of copying their imagination into smaller pieces that can fit in the mind, but that's how they've been taught to do it and that's how it works.

No.3511089
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make a lot of mistakes and never throw it away that's how I kept getting better MAKE A LOT OF MISTAKES AND KEEP IT!

No.3511090

THE ANSWER IS PRACTICE, ASSHOLE

No.3511091
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are you drawing in a lit room or a dark room?
what is distracting you from drawing?
Ask these questions to yourself.

No.3511092
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The secret to being a good artist is: being born a female.

Alternatively: meth

No.3511095
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I was always told to start with basic shapes -- triangles, rectangles, circles -- Even if you're doing a big fancy scene you first want to get your basic shapes right then work on the fiddly details. That means occasionally stepping back to see the whole picture. It sucks to get all the details in place then look back and see that everything is 'wonky' because your basic shapes weren't right.

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Take the Loomis pill.

No.3511118

>>3511104

loomis is good, but too advance for starting artist. Loomis overlooks a lot of the basic, what I found for myself is that most of the drawing books out there suck, because they were written back in the days when schools had art classes, and make assumption that you know the basic. if you want to get good at drawing take a basic drawing class

No.3511120

Pick out what you want to draw.
Draw it with pencil or digitally.
Erase errors.
Draw it again, but with more detail.
Erase errors.
Repeat until it looks ok to ink.
Optional: Ink it.
Optional: Color it.
Optional: Shade it.

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>>3511118
My bad. I was memeing too hard. Three point perspective is more beginner-tier.

No.3511135

Loomis is overrated, use Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain instead. It covers the basics in a more understandable way.

No.3511144
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>>3511135
your face is overrated

No.3511236
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One stumbling block to learning to draw is that you fixate too much on accuracy rather than confidence. A confident drawing looks more appealing than an accurate one drawn self-consciously.

This book helped a great deal in getting down the sharp beauty of professional sketches without having much experience under your belt.

https://www.amazon.com/Exceptionally-Simple-Theory-Sketching-Beautiful/dp/9063693346

No.3511237

This is a similar, more comprehensive textbook that covers the same ideas. It's intended for industrial designers but is of use to anyone learning to draw:

https://www.amazon.com/Sketching-Basics-printing-Roselien-Steur/dp/9063692536/

No.3511238
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How old are you OP? If you haven't discovered a knack or at least a continued enjoyment of drawing into your middle school years you might never get better. Do they still teach art in regular school? Cheap how-to-draw books are an aid into learning basic forms and correct proportions, and the ones that have been in print since the middle of the 20th century will likely be more help than some contemporary digest-sized comic book about how to draw Furries, or the Marvel Way. The ones by Jack Hamm are good ones to start with, as are some of the Walter Foster books (they had the bible of character animation books by Preston Blair, which is also why many furries were animation students.) Lending libraries are still a thing; max out your borrowing privileges and test drive a bunch of how-to-draw books, then buy or steal the ones you find helpful.

Do you instinctively "get" how multiple vanishing point perspective works or is it challenging to get right? Are you more adept at drawing mechanical structures and have trouble with organic forms, or is it the other way around?

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>>3511238 Do they still teach art in regular school?

I honestly don't think they taught any kind of art in regular school even back in my day. We had mandatory art classes but for the most part people were given a bunch of art supplies and some general directions and told 'have at it' -- as far as actually 'teaching' art skills or techniques .. not in K-8.

Art beyond those grades, was more of an elective and that's probably where skills would have been taught.

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Artists are worthless to society. Please aspire to be more.

No.3511243

do 2 even draws?

No.3511246

>>3511085 Shit man, if I can get better anyone can get better. Having that creative magic is a different story though.
You've gotten good advice in here.

Have some useful links and whatnot: https://8ch.net/loomis/hub.html

Out of everything, I think drawabox.com and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain really helped me. Too bad I never finished all the lessons.

No.3511247

>>3511085 Oh also, post your progress to the art thread.

No.3511249

here is a video give an overview of drawing comics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5tU2PuRdU8

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>>3511085

The secret is to draw porn. No seriously. I know I never would have learned if not for the lack of content I liked. You'd be surprised what an erection will help you do. Pic related. My horrible fetish.

Oh yeah, also all that other stuff about perseverance and drawing every day, or something.

No.3511255

I should also point out that I started drawing in in 2012 and in my mid twenties at the time. Follow your dreams, kids.

No.3511267

>>3511085
just draw, and have fun.

when you look up to all these artists who draw porn and great shit, and try to get good... you forget why you wanted to draw in the first place.

No.3511274
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>>3511252 Is that... who think it is?

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Traditional Art:
1.) Find a thing/genre/theme you'd like to draw. Anything that feels good while doing it. There's no point to it if you're not having fun.
2.) [very important] learn about line weights and crosshatching techniques so you don't look like a 5yo mashing his crayon into the paper
3.) Shamelessly copy technique from the people you like. Don't copy the drawings tho, or if you do copy them, eyeball them, don't trace them, also don't upload that shit. Alternatively you could eyeball your own photography, that technically makes you not an art thief.

Digital Art:
1.) [see 1. from above]
2.) Buy a 2nd hand used Wacom. Don't even think about other brands, their pens are too heavy, only Wacom has battery-less pens. Bamboo One can go for probably as low as 25$ so you have no excuse for not getting one. It's good for a first tablet. If you like it, it's useful. If you decide art is not for you, no big loss. Besides they make for pretty good mice anyway. Graphire4 A5 are pretty good as well, I still like them, tho they are 4:3 so not ideal for widescreen monitors. Graphire4 A6 will kill your wrist don't get that. You don't need an Intuos5 or god forbid a fucking Cintiq just to start. Though tbh if you want a multi-monitor setup, a larger Intuos 3 A4 (probably around 100$) could do wonders. Intuos4 Large (PTK-840, probably around 150$) is the best you could get. Anything newer or more powerful is overkill. For a low-budget Cintiq experience look into a Thinkpad X200/X201/X220/X230/X240 tablet (screen is 1366x768) or a Toshiba Tecra M7 (old, screen 1440x900). I have an X61 Tablet, but it's only worth getting if it comes with the high-res 1400x1050 screen (sadly mine is 1024x768).
3.) don't use photoshop, use SAI, openCanvas (4.5 and up, records the entire drawing process), IllustStudio or Clip Studio Paint.
4.) don't use dodge and burn tool, don't use fully saturated colours, yet again learn about line weight
5.) LEARN COLOUR THEORY. I know I'm gonna get bitched out by better artists for suggesting this http://stuff.veekun.com/pkcolor/ but hey, it's better than nothing)
6.) Shamelessly copy technique from the people you like etc. I dunno if the openCanvas recordings PGN site is still up, but you can find a lot of good shit in there. Just looking at the layers of a drawing helps sure (look into yiff.party's patreon shits, plenty of PSD files there) but sometimes it's better to see the entire process. I had an archive with that stuff but it went down when megaupload got v&, so if you're interested maybe I can make another one.

Yes, it's all about practice practice practice practice (why I never get good) and most importantly about having fun.

If you only draw cause you wanna be popufur or something it will not be fun and you will not have a good time.

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>>3511085

give me shit to redline

No.3511292
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Forgot to add. USE HELPER SHAPES (boxes, spheres, rectangles, curved lines, crosshair circle for joints etc) to approximate characters and objects and place them into your drawing properly before you add too many details. Helps a lot with perspective errors and saves a lot of erasing later on.

Also never shade with black. See the linked color tut for more details.

>>3511238

>>How old are you OP? If you haven't discovered a knack or at least a continued enjoyment of drawing into your middle school years you might never get better.

Nah. Dan here on this board is a very good example against this.
In 2012 he was at 5yo mspaint kiddie scribbles. He got a tablet (I remember us talking about it)
Now in 2017 he's even giving me a run for my money cause he used to draw like almost daily and I draw like once a year.
Of course, he could get a lot better if he'd stop drawing nothing but pedoshit but whatever floats his boat I guess.

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There are two graphite grading scales used to measure the hardness of a pencil’s graphite core.
Numerical Graphite Scale

The first graphite grading scale is a numeric scale. Using this scale, the hardness of the core is often marked on the pencil — look for a number (such as “2” “2-1/2” or “3”). The higher the number the harder the writing core and the lighter the mark left on the paper. As the pencil core becomes softer (through the use of lower proportions of clay) it leaves a darker mark as it deposits more graphite material on the paper. Softer pencils will dull faster than harder leads and require more frequent sharpening.
HB Graphite Scale

The second graphite grading scale is known as the HB scale. Most pencil manufacturers outside of the U.S. use this scale, using the letter “H” to indicate a hard pencil. Likewise, a pencil maker might use the letter “B” to designate the blackness of the pencil’s mark, indicating a softer lead. The letter “F” is also used to indicate that the pencil sharpens to a fine point.

Historically, pencil makers also use combinations of letters to tell us about the graphite — a pencil marked “HB” is hard and black, a pencil marked “HH” is very hard, and a pencil marked “BBB” is really, really black! Today, however, most pencils using the HB system are designated by a number such as 2B, 4B or 2H to indicate the degree of hardness. For example, a 4B would be softer than a 2B and a 3H harder than an H.
Graphite Scale Comparisons

Generally, an HB grade about the middle of the scale is considered to be equivalent to a #2 pencil using the U.S. numbering system.

In reality however, there is no specific industry standard for the darkness of the mark to be left within the HB or any other hardness grade scale. Thus, a #2 or HB pencil from one brand will not necessarily leave the same mark as a #2 or HB pencil from another brand. Most pencil manufacturers set their own internal standards for graphite hardness grades and overall quality of the core, some differences are regional. In Japan, consumers tend to prefer softer darker leads; so an HB lead produced in Japan is generally softer and darker than an HB from European producers.

Finding what works best for your own artistic and writing needs is generally a matter of personal preference and experimentation with different brands of pencils.

No.3511294
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You wanna trace? go head take mine but it wont feel the same as the original!

No.3511295

>>3511293
A HB pencil and a (ugh) 3B pencil are probably enough for a beginner tho. Buying a box of all off them isn't expensive tho so next time OP goes to an office supplies shop he can grab a few.

Personally I'm kinda annoyed by softer pencils cause my cheap erasers don't erase them all that well.

It's perfectly possible to use a HB pencil and copier paper only, really. Yeah, there are limitations, but until you get good there's no point wasting a ton of money on art supplies.

No.3511296
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-dUchnFOEM

No.3511297

>>3511294
Those jagged lines are scandalous :v
Use a stabilizer or something.

No.3511298

Practice, and study.

No.3511310

>>3511282

Oof, what a killer bod.

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You have to devote a significant portion of your time to drawing, and when you do draw, you should always be observing and learning from what you are doing.

Some faggot was giving me shit about how my art never improved and all of my faces sucked and he is/was kinda right because I wasn't trying to new things and being experimental on the foundation of everything. It's good to relax and doodle, but also better to try other techniques and try them in different styles and in ways you will enjoy, at least at first. I will have periods of doing nothing but ink for a few weeks, then color, then shade, then back to doodles, using different subject matter: most of it is enjoyable but there are definately periods of shit you have to pull through.

Ultimately you need to have a reason and desire to draw and a reason to feel the need to improve, hopefully a positive one. Eventually you will build up a huge library of techniques and 'rules' on how to draw certain things that is only reinforced doing them a lot, and when you get even more advanced, you can 99% of the time visualize every little detail at any angle in your mind before you even draw it.

>>3511310

thanks. hey, pick your fav out of these

No.3511320

>>3511312
I like your art and faces you draw.
Your Name/Handle you go by however is pure shit,
it sounds like KingNiggerLips or something.
Why such a stupid name?

No.3511324

>>3511320
I'll go ahead and guess that he built his online identity around that name when he was a teen and now, over 11 years later it's just too much of a hassle to change it.

No.3511327

>>3511312

Go draw Donald Trump fucking Kim Jong Un.

No.3511354
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Go for the least effort style possible, never practice more than 15 minutes in one go, don't ever practice anatomy or perspective, make sure your opinions are heard on tumblr and twitter, and, most importantly, offer furry porn commissions at no less than 50 bucks a pop

No.3511358
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>>3511354
It's true. I've made so much money and eat tons of burger each day.

No.3511371

>>3511324 lol, accurate. It's a reminder to not take furry so seriously

>>3511320 posting as anon is pleb tier, and generally a good indicator of posts that have little value

>>3511327 are you still mad that I have posted opinions counter to your libshit narrative

No.3511376

>>3511371
Your opinions are the only thing worse than your terrible failed art.

No.3511378

>>3511371

>posting as anon is pleb tier, and generally a good indicator of posts that have little value

You were fine until this

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>>3511376
>>3511378

you're proving my point

No.3511405

>>3511394
again, good work on the face here

No.3511408
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>>3511320

Entirely arbitrary. I think was watching Nostalgia Critic's review of Pound Puppies, of all things, and the villain's name was Mr. McNasty I think. I needed a name for the FA account I created that very day and McNasty was the first thing to come to mind. Much like my feelings in real life, my name is essentially meaningless, so McNasty it was. Yeah it does sound dumb as fuck in hindsight, but much like >>3511324 mentioned, now it's just too much trouble to fix, especially considering I don't care about it that much to begin with.

No.3511432

>>3511394
You're proving that your """art""" is still shit.

No.3511434
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I know you all love the feeling of each others' claws running across your veins but can we like not drive away all the artists for no reason again

(except for Ultros, he can almighty fuck off)

No.3511438

>>3511434
What artists are being driven off? A talentless hack is being told to stop wasting our time, but that's not the same thing.

No.3511441

>>3511432>>3511438

post your art before being a rude meanie pants

No.3511442

>>3511441
I'm not an artist. That's why I don't post my terrible, terrible scribbles all over this site.

No.3511445
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>>3511434

stop bullying ultros.

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http://drawabox.com/

No.3511449
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>>3511445
u standin up 2 me bish?

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>>3511434 [-] hey... Ultros is cool.

No.3511488

Ultros is a very talented artist.
I envy his skills and dedication.
And he posts regularly, unlike other artists here.

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>>3511488

i unironically agree.

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vegex supporters all up in this bitch. I feel dirty as fuck

No.3511501

>>3511481
>>3511488
>>3511493
Fuck off posers. I'm the president of the ultros fanclub and his ONLY officially licensed cocksucker.

No.3511502

>>3511497
delete this. now.

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>>3511502
I'll delete it if and only if you delete trudeau from existence

(Yes you must become a terrorist - but what does that term mean anymore?! Think about your mother and your loved ones)

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>>3511512
I really hate to butt in and dredge up old crap that nobody should or needs to care about, but you do realize that he got into fucking trouble on this board for pissing off the kind of people that you also hate. And if you were to actually get him to sit down and want to talk politics with you that he probably agrees with you on the ridiculous cucked state of the west. And yet you still hound him and hate him.

Dude, why :/


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