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It's official now, Congress has just released its plan to cut taxes for every American but especially the middle class. The IRS is expected to change its withholding tables in February so you will see your paychecks get bigger as less taxes are taken by the federal government. You can thank Trump for the extra cash in your pocket.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gop-tax-bill-passes-congress-as-trump-prepares-to-sign-it-into-law/2017/12/20/0ba2fd98-e597-11e7-9ec2-518810e7d44d_story.html?utm_term=.9afa6b1a2474

No.3487711
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>Many of the tax breaks are set to expire at the end of 2025, leaving a large section of the middle class to pay more in taxes. But Republicans promise a future Congress will intervene to prevent that tax hike from happening.

lmao

No.3487712

>>3487711

>also they made the gift to corporates PERMANENT.

weepeeh!
Can't wait to see a small boost and then another huge recession and then Trump blaming Mexico or China!

No.3487715
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>>3487712 And how the resulting ballooning debt will be a big excuse to cut medicare and social security because "we can't afford it".

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From that article:

"If Trump signs the tax bill into law before Congress adjourns in December, lawmakers could be forced to vote on the PAYGO [A law which requires you to offset the deficit created by a bill with spending cuts to social security and other essential services] waiver measure as soon as next month in order to avoid allowing the spending cuts to kick in. The reductions would cut spending on Medicare by $25 billion in 2018, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Signing the tax bill into law in January would likely defer those spending cuts until 2019, giving Congress almost a year to come up with a solution."

Who wants to bet Trump signs it tomorrow wanting to have a "Win" before the holidays? He's calling this bill a "Christmas gift for the middle class" I'll bet he signs it the moment he gets it having no idea how bad it will be for Americans.

No.3487719

>>3487715
I guess you didn't read the article then. Donald Trump is signing the law in January so that it gives Congress a year to make the necessary cuts as required by law since 2010. If he signed it now, then a waiver would be needed in Congress which requires 60 votes in the Senate. They don't need an excuse, by law they need to make an equal amount in cuts.

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>>3487719

No, everyone EXPECTS him to do it in January because that would be the smart thing to do but Trump isn't smart. He's a narcissist who does everything based on how popular it will make him with his Nazi followers. No reasonable person would sign it now which is why I predict Trump will do that shit in a heart beat. He's a fucking idiot.

No.3487724

>>3487722
There's only a week or so before the end of the year and I'm pretty sure Trump is going to focus on what he's gonna do while on vacation. If you want to pin your hopes on Trump fucking this all up at the finish line then good luck with that.

No.3487727

>>3487719 This is going to go way beyond PAYGO cuts.. The GOP is eyeing for an excuse to 'restructure' Medicare, Social Security, food stamps, all social programs -- all in the name of dealing with the debt.

No.3487732

>>3487722

He's still giving people more money back than Bernie "3 mansions and a luxury Audi" Sanders ever would.

No.3487736

>>348772

And they fucking should because of all the God damn people who've never seen combat leaving the military with fucking PTSD and all the motherfuckers who were just women that can't deal with her panic attacks and all the motherfuckers who were just lazy and fat who are on these social benefits that don't need to fucking be

No.3487748
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>>3487736
And they fucking should because of all the God damn people who've never seen combat leaving the military with fucking PTSD
So what you're saying here is - "fuck Veterans"?

No.3487749

>>3487748
On a more serious note, you don't need to be in combat to get PTSD - a customer of mine (former Marine) wound up carrying someone's skull because of a horrific car crash on-base. The rest of the cleanup was more of the same - less "get them on the stretcher" and more "get a spatula and trash bag".

No.3487754
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>>3487719

>I guess you didn't read the article then.

Of he didn't, most of these whining faggots have never bothered to actually read what the bill is about.

>>3487727

>The GOP is eyeing for an excuse to 'restructure' Medicare, Social Security, food stamps, all social programs -- all in the name of dealing with the debt.

Of course they are, that's what they ran on and part of the reason why they dominate virtually every level of government in this country. If you don't like getting fucked by the GOP then next time you'll just shut the fuck up and vote for whoever we give you and then you'll say thanks.

No.3487758
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>>3487732

Bernie Sanders made over a million dollars last year, putting him in the top 1% of Americans. So maybe when the GOP guts the government healthcare for people like GFF and Sorrowful, they can go beg him to give a little of his wealth to help some of his supporters.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/06/bernie-sanders-made-over-1-million-last-year-and-has-joined-the-1-percent.html

No.3487768

>>3487758
Okay, why the fuck is Sorrowful getting lumped in with me now? Just because he dares to call "Bullshit!" on the GOP?

No.3487769
>3487732

This is what morons actually believe, well you did vote for a lying rich rapist Jew so you were proven stupid long ago.

These tax cuts are gonna be shit. The poor will get a minimum savings, Trump's rich friends get massive cuts even though they don't need them. This will also result in less income for the government to do shit, necessitating a tax hike later on to undo the damage.

Trump has never given a fuck about the poor. Bernie does, but you're too up your own asses about MAGA shit to see it. Fuck rich people, they can pay double the tax rates and not even feel it, they don't need tax cuts. These whiny shits are the ones who push for laws to send music pirates to prison, what happened, do these people need to physically eat money to live now? They act as if they're suffering because of piracy, tax increases or the fact they have to pay for shit to begin with.

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>>3487768
I lumped you two together because you're both bernout rejects who've relied on Obamacare in the past. Then you bitched, pissed, whined and moaned about Hillary Clinton, the one person who could veto and stop all of this GOP bullshit.

But no, she didn't make you laugh like the two chucklefucks who make South Park. Now people like me, those of us who make six figures in low tax states like Texas, are going to get that much richer. Not only the tax breaks, but also because Donald Trump is a boon for all industries, not the least of which is the Oil & Gas industry that employs yours truly. Oh, that industry is doing quite well, and more profitable than ever, even when oil was worth twice as much a few years ago. I've gotten three raises in this past year alone that amount to almost a third of my salary. How much have you made under Trump? Yeah, I thought so.

So all I can say is: I hope it was worth it.

P.S.: Thanks for giving me a very Merry Christmas hahaha!!!

No.3487772
>Trump fucks the poor over, doesn't pay his taxes, molests women, tries to institute racist laws, panders to his Israel overlords
>"but BERNIE did this..."

If it's okay for your rapist kike to do it, then it's okay for everyone else.

Go fuck yourselves and your fake faggot religion. The bibullshit should be burned, not read.

No.3487776

FUN FACT: ID:IDF6u4uS is a GOP/Russian shill

No.3487778

>>3487768

Ahh, they're just reaching for names. Keep in mind that they're a liberal shill that thinks Sorrowful's rootin' for Bernie or something, from the sound of it.

>>3487754

Ahahah, NO. Your side insisted, demanded and forced a shitty, shady candidate that couldn't stop lying, enabled sexual abuse nigh unchecked, and was corrupt as fuck. Well, ok, Trump fits that bill too.

So really, the difference between Hillary and Trump is completely polar when it comes to experience. We got stuck with the buffoon who knows jack shit and doesn't seem to care beyond how America will see him. However, I'm not certain I would have wanted to see how someone with top-tier political experience with those qualities panned out. She probably also would have revived TPP, and that's pretty bad.

So yeah, no. Your people need to not be fucking lazy and corrupt as shit if they wanna win this in 3 years, and come up with a much cleaner, appealing candidate that isn't already stupidly rife with power and above the law. Because I've been waiting almost a year to see the Dems clean house, and they're awfully slow to get things done.

They also need to work on their online appeal and outreach, and curb the arrogance considerably. Because shit like this?

just shut the fuck up and vote for whoever we give you and then you'll say thanks.

Wasn't good enough in 2016. Hillary lost against what should have been a joke. There's no excuse for how bad this made Dems look, but all they can do is blame everyone else.

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>>3487776

Wow, that's a first. I'm a proud neoliberal and Clinton acolyte so I don't how that makes me a GOP shill, much less a shill for Putin. Do not confuse my temporary alliance with Trump and the GOP as a statement on my political stance. I'll gladly and happily accept the money that Trump and GOP will give me. But it's also important that they fuck GFF, 3B, Sorrowful, Nobuyuki, Clockworkringtail, steam, Aufy and the rest of the BernieBroBrigade in the process.

See, it's all detailed in the pic I've posted. It's easy to squeal about how great socialism is and how horrible Obama and we Democrats are after you've had 8 years of us. Let's see if their attitudes stay the same after 4 years of getting fucked by Trump.

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>>3487778

>Your people need to not be fucking lazy and corrupt as shit if they wanna win this in 3 years

No, I'm gonna call your bluff and wait you dipshits out. I'll profit under Trump. If you supported Bernie Sanders, then there's almost a zero percent chance that you're making anything with Trump in the White House. You've only had 1 year of Trump and the GOP, let's see what your attitude is after you start feeling the effects of his presidency. Remember, he still has another 3 years to fuck you over.

>They also need to work on their online appeal and outreach, and curb the arrogance considerably.

No, I disagree. I think that you turds will crawl on your hands and knees over coals to get the Republicans off your back. What, you're telling me the Green Party is going to do that job? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

No, you'll be voting Democrat in 2018 and 2020, otherwise I'll wait until 2024 and get that much richer while you get that much poorer. I'm more than prepared to call your bluff again. Oh, how much I'm suffering personally with Trump in the White House! /s

No.3487784

>>3487780

>Wow, that's a first. I'm a proud neoliberal

So you're a GOP supporter. Thanks for confirming that.

No.3487785
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>>3487784

>So you're a GOP supporter. Thanks for confirming that.

Nope, I'm a registered Democrat who not only voted for Obama twice but served as a delegate for him twice. I'm one of more than 16 million Democrats who chose Hillary Clinton over some socialist crank and hypocrite with 3 houses while other Americans have none. If you need a reminder, Sanders lost by over 3 million votes in the primaries.

You seem upset. Just how much is Trump gonna fuck you personally?

No.3487786

>>3487785

>Nope, I'm...

And I'm actually Hillary Rodham Clinton.

THANKS FOR YOUR VOTE!!

No.3487787
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>>3487754

>If you don't like getting fucked by the GOP then next time you'll just shut the fuck up and vote for whoever we give you and then you'll say thanks.

So you can be fucked by centrist, corporate whore democrats instead? No thanks.

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>>3487780

>Let's see if their attitudes stay the same after 4 years of getting fucked by Trump.

You act like Hillary wouldn't have been doing the same or worse. She was in favor of cutting medicare, she supported the TPP, she's the queen of fracking, she lies like a god damn rug and would have already plunged us into war with Russia to keep her military contractor donors happy. With Trump drunk at the wheel he is STILL more popular than Hillary Clinton. She was that fucking bad that she makes Trump look like the lesser evil to over half of America.

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>>3487787

>So you can be fucked by centrist, corporate whore democrats instead?

Yes. You'll soon find out that getting fucked by the GOP is far, far worse than getting "fucked" by us centrists/moderates/neoliberals. We'll actually put on some lube and be gentle, while whispering sweet nothings in your ear. Trump and the GOP will make sure that a fart will never be heard escaping the open pit that was once your asshole.

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>>3487780
More like "We'll pretend we're helping the poor while in fact helping only the extremely rich, while fucking everyone from poor to rather rich nearly equally, although the medium and somewhat rich somewhat more, so the poor seem to benefit by comparison."

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>>3487789

>Getting fucked by centrists is better than being fucked by the GOP.

You act like Centrists are going to last past 2018. We are already taking them out and more will fall every election until we have a party that actually represents what the American people want, not the 1%.

By ballot or by bullet, we are taking our country back. The right wing have become little snowflakes so we'll have to do it our selves.

No.3487793

>>3487771 I can't wait for the public guillotines to make the rounds so you'll be gone from poisoning the earth, you smug worthless fuck. Believe me, they are coming shortly after this, and you won't be able to hide anywhere.

No.3487796

>>3487788
Even I'll say that neo-Liberals would never be this fucking blatant, if they ever approached it at all.

Also, the fuck are we talking about liberal vs. liberal for when the GOP is the one planning to tear the everloving fuck out of social safety nets?

No.3487797
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Fun fact: There are several economic and social indicators used by the U.N., intelligence agencies and militaries around the world called the GINI.

The GINI is a scale from 0 to 1. The closer you are to zero the more stable and fair your society is. Hunter-gatherer tribes for example are .17, Rome just before it fell was at .59, Nazi Germany was at .67 during the time when they were throwing Jews into death camps.

America is at .81

Armed revolution isn't possible at this point, it's inevitable and it's not just here. Most major countries have a rating in the 60+ range because the wealth distribution is all going to the top.

People are pissed, poor, and out of faith that the system can be fixed. I really do think if Bernie Sanders doesn't win and some faith is restored in democracy, we are in for a civil war.

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>>3487796

>Also, the fuck are we talking about liberal vs. liberal for when the GOP is the one planning to tear the everloving fuck out of social safety nets?

Because you're lying as usual. This isn't "liberal vs. liberal", this is the neoliberal/centrist/moderate wing of the Democratic Party vs. the socialist Sandersista wing. Your side has lost and continues to lose. We just won in Alabama with a candidate who refused to endorse Bernie's plan of Medicare-for-all (which he provided no plan to pay for, not that I expect a peep of criticism from you or Sorrowful for Dear Leader Bernie), $15/hr minimum wage or attacking Wall Street.

> when the GOP is the one planning to tear the everloving fuck out of social safety nets?

Thank you for ignoring my other posts, but I wouldn't expect any less from you. I don't need those social saftey nets, YOU DO!!! I don't fucking vote Democrat for my own fucking health, I actually benefit with Trump in the White House.

So again, how have you benefited by shitting all over Hillary Clinton while praising Donald Trump's skills at "marketing and public speaking".

No.3487800

>>3487799
Okay, at this point I'm starting to think that >>3487776 is right and that you're just agitating to keep the centrist and liberal wings fighting against each other so that the GOP can divide and conquer.

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>>3487793

>I can't wait for the public guillotines to make the rounds so you'll be gone from poisoning the earth, you smug worthless fuck.

Hahahaha! Well, while you're preparing your little imaginary guillotine, I'll be counting all the Benjamins that'll be fattening my wallet thanks to you bernouts "punishing" us Democrats with Donald Trump!

No.3487802

>>3487799
Thank you for ignoring my other posts, but I wouldn't expect any less from you. I don't need those social saftey nets, YOU DO!!!

Also, no, we all do. Let's say the GOP succeeds in Paul Ryan's wet dream and privatize Social Security, where it's given to the people paying into it and invested into the stock market instead.

Remember 2007, and how a lot of Seniors had their retirement savings all-but wiped out because of the stock market meltdown? Imagine that except with even their Social Security funds getting taken out with it.

No.3487803

>>3487799

>I don't need those social saftey nets

Spoken like a real GOPer who doesn't care if people become homeless and starve until the homeless and hungry come to ransack your house and rape your kids and dog.

And then has the gall to blame "liberals".

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>>3487800
You think whatever you want. As long as you get your worthless, broke ass in line to vote for either Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillebrand or whatever non-Bernie Sanders candidate we give you.

Either way, you still won't get all the wonderful promises you banked all your hopes on in 2016 when you failed to actually vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary. Ya know, because you're a worthless NEET fuckwad who can't get laid nor be bothered to read the rules for New York state and how to vote in a primary.

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>>3487799

> We just won in Alabama...

Against a child rapist and less than a week into office -your- candidate is already saying he's going to vote with the Republicans because it's a "Red State" so you elected a Republican running as a democrat. Good job helping the enemy!

No.3487806

>>3487803
Or let's say the oil boom in his area dries up within his lifetime - part of the GOP tax plan means that you can't deduct moving expenses for relocating for work, but your company? It can go way the hell outside the US to drill for oil while leaving you behind to fend for yourself.

Or say we have another massive drop in oil prices - the company might downsize, and you'd be out of a job that way. Would you want those social safety nets then? Because that's their fucking purpose - to act as safety nets, not hammocks, which is what you've been implying in your previous posts.

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>>3487804

>Didn't know how to register in New York.

You know they fired people for rigging the primary in New York, right? Like you do pay attention to your own party politics don't you? They kicked over 500,000 likely Bernie voters off the voter rolls and got caught.

The state of New York is considering criminal charges right now because it's pretty obvious that Hillary's people paid them off to do it. She didn't win dude.

They cheated, they changed party affiliations, they forged signatures, they broke the law because they knew she was that unpopular in New York with anyone who wasn't in the 1%.

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>>3487803
I did care you fucking asswipe! That's why I tried to stop Trump and get Hillary Clinton in the White House. You're right, it wouldn't be "sexy", "exciting" or "revoluntionary" but at least you'd have a veto to stop Paul Ryan and his antics. But GFF bought into South Park as they regurgitated a decade old joke, so I guess we have to endure Trump. I don't know how GFF and Sorrowful benefit but whatever. At least my retirement account is closely verging to a million dollars.

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>>3487806

>but, but what if the oil fields dry up...

Well, because of turds like you, Sorrowful and your buddy 3B, rExxon Tillerson now occupies Hillary's old post so I don't really have to worry about that.

Plus, unlike you, I won't be wasting the extra money I get from Trump on Fleshlights and vidja gaemz. Instead it's going into my savings account just in case that'll happen. How much do you have in your savings account to help you endure Trump and the GOP...oh, really?! Then why did you hate on Hillary so much. You do realize she'd be vetoing much of this shit, right? Please tell me you're not as delusional as 3B?!

No.3487810

>>3487808

>But GFF bought into South Park as they regurgitated a decade old joke, so I guess we have to endure Trump.

Because he too voted for Hillary?

I'm not sure I follow your neo-con/GOP logic.

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>>3487808

It's funny that you think you're going to get to keep that money under the GOP. What you fail to realize is that to them, you are a dirt poor nobody and they are going to bleed you dry just like the rest of us.

I'll have a nice big plate of crow waiting for you when you come crawling back to the left begging for our help because you realized they are going to fuck you too, it's just a matter of when.

No.3487812

>>3487810

>Because he too voted for Hillary?

He was too stupid, lazy and ignorant to vote for his beloved Bernie Sanders, so consider me skeptical about him actually "voting" for Hillary. Even if he did, New York was already in the bag. I'd rather he had shut the fuck up and stop whining about Hillary Clinton while praising Trump.

At the very least, can he stop bitching about Trump? He worked so hard to undermine Clinton and give Trump a bump by praising his showmanship skills.

No.3487813

>>3487804
And you keep acting like I didn't vote for Clinton in the general election - fuck no would I vote for Trump. He was bad enough out the gate with his comments about how "some, I assume, are good people", but he crossed a neon-red line for me with his open advocation for torture.

No.3487814
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>>3487811

>It's funny that you think you're going to get to keep that money under the GOP. What you fail to realize is that to them, you are a dirt poor nobody and they are going to bleed you dry just like the rest of us.

No, I'm somebody with two graduate degrees in engineering fields that's necessary for them to profit. I don't deny that I'm a lap dog for corporate interests, but that comes with a high salary plus great healthcare and retirement benefits. Again, you made this same threat for "denying" Bernie Sanders the nomination. My accountant says otherwise concerning the lower withdrawals will be making from my salary as the GOP tax plan takes affect.

Again, I'm kinda concerned about the fact that you, GFF and the rest of the bernouts haven't answered me about how much you'll get from the GOP tax plan. You seem really concerned about how I'll fair under the plan. Maybe you guys should be much more worried about how you'll fair?

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>>3487813

I don't think anyone on this board actually voted for Trump. Most of us voted Corporate Whore or Green Party.

>>3487812

You're the one who keeps bringing up Hillary. She lost, she isn't running again. She's over. She needs to crawl off into her woods and stop dragging down the party with her stink.

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>>3487813

>And you keep acting like I didn't vote for Clinton in the general election

Because I DON'T GIVE A FUCK YOU PERMA-VIRGIN LOSER! Hillary was gonna win New York with or without your bernout vote. I would have rather you shut the fuck up and not vote, rather than suck that big orange dick because "he's a great showman".

You should be more pissed at Sorrowful, a Wisconsinite who's failed to dislogde Scott Walkler three times and delivered Trump one of his most critical wins.

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>>3487814

>No, I'm somebody with two graduate degrees in engineering fields that's necessary for them to profit.

You don't get it. You are a machine to them and if they can find another machine to do your job cheaper, they will. You are going to be replaced by someone younger and cheaper because they HAVE to. Corporations MUST do everything they can to maximize profit. If a CEO doesn't, he's fired and replaced with one who will. That's what unchecked capitalism does. The success that you think is a bonus to your value is actually a liability because they can find someone else to do your job for less. It's only a matter of time.

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>>3487815

>She lost, she isn't running again. She's over.

Yeah, but we have a near-infinite well of neoliberal/centrist/moderate candidates. You'll be trying to run that ancient mummy of a socialist while you try to argue how the socialism Bernie wants is somehow different than the socialism that has doomed Venezuela to starvation.

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>>3487817
Again, I refer you to my earlier post here: >>3487814

>Again, I'm kinda concerned about the fact that you, GFF and the rest of the bernouts haven't answered me about how much you'll get from the GOP tax plan. You seem really concerned about how I'll fair under the plan. Maybe you guys should be much more worried about how you'll fair?

Thank you for trying to explain to me how I'll fair in multi-national oil & gas services conglomerate. But how will you and your best-buddy GFF fair with the GOP in power?

No.3487820

>>3487816

>Because I DON'T GIVE A FUCK

And yet you keep replying to him, talking about him, obsessing over his every opinion.

Come off it already.

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>>3487818

>Venezuela

Do you realize Venezuela is the neo-Liberal version of Benghazi and every time you bring it up most of the left rolls their eyes and thinks you're an idiot?

>We have an endless pool of Neo-liberals...

Actually, you don't. You have about 1% of the population that would be the problem we are trying to correct and isn't it funny how you brag about the one neo-liberal who won in Alabama but never talk about the socialist, the trans-rights activist, the lawyer for BLM or any of the other non-Neo-Libs who won recent elections? You know why? Because we out number you and we are growing more powerful every day while your people are just getting old and dying.

You are done. Hillary was the Neo-Liberal's last gasp. Just like Trickle-down economics we know Neo-Liberalism dosen't work. We know that your kind of corporate whores would do the same things to us the Republicans will and you, yourself, personally, just proved it by claiming that guy from Alabama who is voting Republican.

You've lost. Everything from here on out for you is just denial and it's sad. When you are done hurting yourself, you are welcome to join us on the winning team.

No.3487827

>>3487814

>I'm somebody with two graduate degrees in engineering fields

What degrees in what fields?

Personally, I have a PhD in Chemical Engineering.

No.3487829
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Furries = drama, but I wonder how many of you fighting over politics in this thread are actually furries.
What are your furry credentials?

No.3487830

>>3487829

>What are your furry credentials?

Says the guy with a (no homo) Bolt fetish who claims to be a dog.

No.3487832

>>3487830
Nice try, but even if I were a human, then pretending to be an actual dog for more than 10 years would still give me greater overall cred than your or anyone's fake non-furry PhD or related claim.

In b4 you agree with me.

No.3487838
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>>3487832 wait! You actually claim to be like a legit dog?! Not I'm a furry, my character is a dog, but like an actual dog that uses the internet?

vc: lass

No.3487839
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>>3487829
I fuck my actual dog, it doesn't get much more furry than that

No.3487841

>>3487838
Yes, you came here after I more or less left for a few months, but I'm a real dog that's been posting here and on the previous board for over 10 years now.
I used to drive a car but had some close calls with the cops, so now I get things delivered or get a human dog-friend to drive me.

>>3487839
Lots of non-furries do that, sorry.

No.3487844

So Trump just exercised his first commuted sentence yesterday - thehill.com/homenews/administration/365907-trump-issues-first-commuted-prison-sentence

President Trump on Wednesday issued his first commuted sentence for a federal prisoner, freeing Sholom Rubashkin, the former owner of the country’s largest kosher meat-processing plant who in 2009 was sentenced to 27 years in prison for a litany of financial crimes.

The commutation had bipartisan support from lawmakers and had become a cause among many leading voices in the legal community, petitioning the Obama and Trump administrations to draw attention to a sentence they said was wildly disproportionate to the crime that had been committed.

Rubashkin, a father of 10, will have served eight years of his sentence. The commutation is not a presidential pardon — Rubashkin’s conviction will stand, as will his terms of release and the restitution payments he will be obliged to pay.

Still, the commutation will clear Rubashkin of the remaining 19 years of a sentence that had been condemned by politicians on the left and the right as cruel and unusual.

27 years sounds about right given the company, under his leadership, did this shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sholom_Rubashkin#Raid_and_arrests

On October 30, 2008, one day after the Iowa labor commissioner fined Agriprocessors $10 million for wage violations, Rubashkin was arrested on federal conspiracy charges of harboring illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft. Federal officials claimed that Rubashkin intentionally helped illegal workers obtain false documentation.[15] After making an initial court appearance, he was released the same day on $1 million appearance bond after agreeing to wear an ankle monitor that tracks his movement, to limit his travel to northern Iowa, and to surrender his and his wife's passports.

Rubashkin was arrested again on November 13, 2008, at his Postville home on federal charges of bank fraud. The charges claimed that under his direction, millions of dollars that were supposed to be deposited in an account as collateral for a loan were fraudulently diverted to another account, and were used to fraudulently increase the value of Agriprocessors accounts receivable. After the money was diverted, Rubashkin allegedly ordered the records of these transactions removed from company computers. The charges carried up to 30-year prison terms.

No.3487846

>>3487839

Wait, so you personally, fuck your dog? I really thought that was a thing that people just did for money in porn. How do you not get your dick bit off?

No.3487847

>>3487846
Oh, stop eeet. You've been here far too long to convincingly play innocent. You just want him to go into a lengthy description with pictures, for you to beat off to.

No.3487850
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>>3487847

Says the dog who won't even post a picture of his junk. Looooser.

No.3487875
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AT&T just announced that they are giving 20,000 employees an extra $1,000 as a bonus this year, in direct response to the lowering of the corporation's tax burden. It's almost as if not being forced to hand over their hard-earned money to the government is giving companies the ability to pay their workers more.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/20/tax-reform-reaction-att-is-giving-bonuses-to-200000-employees.html?__twitter_impression=true

No.3487876

>>3487875
You can be certain this was a carefully planned reward by the lobbyists to pander to Trumps ego. If you think this will be the norm you're an idiot.

No.3487877

>>3487875

We'll see in the long term. I have zero faith that any of that will last outside of some immediate gestures to sooth people's jimmies. I'll be giving my employees more (on top of the above average pay I already give them) but from the talk I hear at the club...not many others are outside of a slightly bigger bonus for Christmas/New Year's.

No.3487880

>>3487876
This. The key will be what happens to AT&T workers' wages next year, when it's less visible. I'm convinced that all of the bonuses will go to the executives, while the average workers get a Jelly of the Month Club membership.

No.3487890
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>>3487829

>Furries = drama, but I wonder how many of you fighting over politics in this thread are actually furries. What are your furry credentials?

Why would you wish this on someone?

No.3487892
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>>3487875

Actually AT&T announced that a long time ago they are just announcing it again to make it look like Trump did something good. You can't just hand out bonus checks at the drop of a hat. You have to plan that shit out the previous quarter. This is just AT&T thanking Trump for the free tax dollars and trying to save their horrible reputation.

No.3487900
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>>3487850
BD is such a disappointment. Now we know how his parents felt.

No.3487907
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>>3487890
Gotta do my part to help keep this place and the fandom pure, and as free from non-furry individuals as possible. You never know what will show up and try to take over if you're not vigilant.

>>3487900
On the contrary. My mother said that she knows I'm as big as my father, and that he never "disappointed" in that area. He's a big GSD and she's a Labrador.
Sometimes she says things like that randomly to shut me up when I get on her nerves too much, but I know it's true because sheath size is an indicator and I once accidentally caught glimpse of him licking himself off... or is that not what you meant?

No.3487918
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>>3487907

>Gotta do my part to help keep this place and the fandom pure, and as free from non-furry individuals as possible. You never know what will show up and try to take over if you're not vigilant.

That's so cute, I never knew you cared. You care more than I do!

No.3487933
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>>3487907

>Gotta do my part to help keep this place and the fandom pure, and as free from non-furry individuals as possible.

That right there proves you are a noob who has no idea what the history of the furry fandom is. In the old days the fandom gave an open invitation to faggots, BDSM freaks, Transgendered and other social outcasts being persecuted by the society of the time. If it wasn't for the inclusion of "Non-Furries" this all wouldn't have happened.

No.3487940
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I'd rather see people not get their benefits cut, you know 50% of americans kinda don't pay federal income tax anyway because they're giving uncle sam a "free loan" in excess of their owed amount so get a refund every year. Who here pays a shitload of taxes and doesn't withhold the proper amount ahead of time to want this? I guess I'll be finding out next year because of my complicated contractor ->employee situation involving multiple forms but whatever.

basically what >>3487715 said. Over 100 million people are on some form of government healthcare now; doing these tax cuts the government can't afford is completely irresponsible and seems like they're doing everything they can to pretend like they're not the ones making the funding crisis to these important programs.

>>3487801
see attached picture

No.3487948

/pol/ is here because

A) they can't stay on their containment board
B) they think they're fighting a battle
C) pedophilia

A) is self-explanatory because retarded people often do not follow the rules. C) is a given because their president has had a lot of pedo friends he's defended and these sick fucks, incapable of getting an adult woman to fuck them, found it easier to groom kids and pretend their sickness is normal.

B) is interesting because these normally pro-Nazi individuals are now doing some tremendous spinning and mental gymnastics to defend trump now that he's openly gone full pro-Israel.

>"he's not Jewish, he converted for business purposes"
>"he only did this to piss off Muslims"
>"He.... he-he- if you don't think protecting Israel is good for America then that means you're an anti-semite! A strong Israel will MAGA because Trump said so!"

"I don't regret supporting him, he has not backstabbed me, I swear! I am NOT crying!"

I can't wait for them to commit mass suicide when he proposes outlawing holocaust denial, the way his puppet Master Putin did.

The delicious irony of all this is that everything /pol/ has ever believed about Jews- or rather about Israel and the rich zionist political Jews, not all Jews- is being displayed in full but they have to support it because they're in so deep in Drumpf's swamp they can't get out without admitting they were wrong, as if the master race will ever admit they did anything imperfect.

Or not. I browsed /pol/ today and half the board was pissed at him, calling him Israel's lap dog. I think even his neo-Nazi supporters are getting sick of him. Like he has ever cared, he's still got the zionist Jews on his side, the ones who are literally saying that the UN is anti-semitic because of the vote, the ones who literally say that supporting Israel is good for the US.

No.3487968

Dumbfucks on /pol/ will remain nothing more than gullible, manipulable tools until they realize that "the Jews" that they're so mad at are really just mundane, run-of-the-mill capitalism.

It doesn't matter if it's run by Jews or Whites or Blacks or whatever else, if it's capitalism, it's going to fuck you.

No.3487971

>>3487876

Agree, look at what happened with Carrier.
They were all "totally keeping the jobs". just to make a 180 turn a few months later "lol, still cutting everything and putting robots with the incentive money !"

Worse is, even Mexico lost money with the tax breaks they gave the company and they had nothing to show in the end.

No.3487974

>>3487724
"President Trump signed the most consequential tax legislation in three decades on Friday, even as he complained that he has not been given credit for his administration’s accomplishments during a turbulent first year.

"Mr. Trump decided against doing a formal signing ceremony early next year because television news networks questioned whether he would keep his promise to sign the legislation before Christmas.

"Mr. Trump said he saw the coverage Friday morning and hastily called his staff to say that the legislation needed to be signed “now,” prompting a last-minute Oval Office ceremony for the president’s greatest achievement in his first year in office."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/us/politics/trump-tax-bill.html

No.3487988

>>3487974

and he then goes back to Mar A Lago.. a place he has been "vacationing" for a ridiculous amount of time (same with other golfing resorts).

No.3488010
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>>3487988
Golf Outings per Year as U.S. President (avg.)

Donald Trump 35
Barack Obama 42

No.3488013

>>3488010
That Trump count isn't an "avg."; that's how many games he's played so far, but he hasn't been in office a full year yet.

According to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/10/who-plays-more-golf-donald-trump-or-barack-obama/ , that count of 35 was as of November 13. Inauguration was January 20. https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=01&d1=20&y1=2017&m2=11&d2=13&y2=2017&ti=on says there are 298 days between those two dates. So the yearly average for Trump is 35/298*365 = about 43. Basically the same as Obama.

No.3488036
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I fucking CALLED IT!! Trump is such a man child he has no idea that he just fucked over millions of Americans.

They are going to have to cut social security and medicaid the first thing in 2018 because of the Pay As You Go rules for congress. What a fucking idiot. He could have waited until after Jan and they would have had a year to find the money to offset the cuts but no, he hates poor people so he isn't going to put off even a moment of self-gratification to keep them alive.

>>3487722

No.3488040

>>3488010
serious question: are you fucking retarded?

No.3488052

>>3488036 Didn't signing also include some kind of waiver of Pay-as-you-go?

No.3488060

>>3488052
only congress can authorize a waiver, which needs a majority in the house but 60 votes in the senate.

No.3488070

>>3488060 But that's exactly what happened at least according to what I can read from this site:

https://www.bondbuyer.com/news/trump-signs-tax-bill-after-congress-waives-paygo-spending-cuts

Funny I can't find it anywhere else though.

No.3488072

>>3488070
It seems they put the waiver in the temporary funding bill.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/live-house-to-vote-on-short-term-government-funding-bill-live-stream/

No.3488073

>>3488070

Ah, they put the waver in the Continuing Resolution. They kicked the can down the road till January but it will still end up with cuts in January because the Republicans will use it to claim they are being fiscally responsible for the deficit.

It's funny that this Resolution passed because the hard right wants even MORE money for war. The left wants more money for healthcare and disaster relief and the centrists just want everyone to stop being news worthy so they can take their bribes in peace.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/live-house-to-vote-on-short-term-government-funding-bill-live-stream/

No.3488119

>>3488010
http://trumpgolfcount.com/
He's actually been confirmed as golfing 37 times - he's gone to the golf clubs 79 at this point.

No.3488230
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>>3487758

>Bernie Sanders made over a million dollars last year, putting him in the top 1%

So did 3B's head just spontaneously explode when he learned of this paradox?

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>>3488230

He's worked for like 30 years, his wife is successful, he's invested his money, he's saved and spends frugally shopping at Costco and flying coach. He did everything right and it didn't hurt that his wife's family was loaded.

You act like democratic socialists are against people becoming rich. We aren't. We are just against rich people exploiting poor people to accomplish it. There are lots of wealthy people we are perfectly fine with because they treat their employees well and don't act like douches.

No.3488243
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The faces of the Trumpanzees when they find out that the GOP just fucked them over HARD.

Cappy (believe it or not): wage

No.3488247
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>>3488242

Bernie Sanders is not successful. He has failed at everything he's done except shill out for communism.

It made him rich though.

Actually, he couldn't even get successful at signing people up for food stamps, literally giving money away, and the old jew couldn't do it.

He wasted his college education (That mommy and daddy paid for) by trying to be some hippie retard.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927_Page2.html

No.3488262
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>>3488247

Are you saying he was a failure because he wasn't born wealthy so he had to live in poverty while unceasingly perusing his life goal of making the world a better place for the poor, minorities, and women?

His life story is everything the Republicans preach about. He pulled himself and his family up by their bootstraps, working hard at multiple jobs, while fighting for what he believed in and living within his means and being frugal. He choose lifelong responsibility for an unexpected son instead of having an abortion.

According to this article he is the Republican super-man made real.
You should be bowing down in awe of him.

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>>3488247

are those casters?

ffs man video sauce!

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>>3488262

>unceasingly perusing his life goal of making the world a better place for the poor, minorities, and women

Whites are the global minority. White countries are also the best to live in. What has Bernie accomplished to the end of making the world a better place for anyone?

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>>3488243 Yeah ... winning...

For starters lets look at employment rates... huhh jobs? Yeeeeaaaah those are kind of important....uhhhh.... I can easily keep going if I need to. But I have to be at work in a few hours sohhhhh

If you could just go ahead and pack up your desk, that'd super.

Oh huhhh yeah have a merry Christmas.

No.3488274
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>>3488271

>Fuck minorities white people are the majority...

You know there are poor white people to, right? Helping the poor also helps white people and half of white people are women so what he does for them helps whites as well. I don't understand why you think he's not helping you.

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>>3488274 Whoa, Gonna ahead stop you right therebecause she said
"Whites are the global minority." And that weeee kinda build solid countries.... soooohhh which ... is true....

Not sure how ya got "Fuck minorities white people are the majority..." from but Don't bother explaining it because I'm sure we've already heard it mkay.
Terrific.

>>3488271 Asking what has "Bernie" done for the "poor working class?" Huhhhh way more than you....

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>>3488275

Sorry, should have been more clear. White people are the majority in America where Bernie Sanders is actually a person who has influence. Saying whites are a "Global Minority" is a bullshit talking point in any conversation about Sanders since he doesn't have power outside of the U.S.

No.3488284

>>3488281

Not a bullshit talking point at all. It shows how Amerocentric Bernie is, which I thought was a sin among the social justice elite.

No.3488285

>>3487787

This graphic assumes that "We" really includes the majority of us, when it doesn't.

Does a black man like Herman Cane really hurt all that bad or lose out when a republican wins? How about Will Smith? Not really. Barely impacts them.

The "We" is assumed to include women voting against their own interests, yet, that assumes most women are pro-abortion, and want to murder or see babies murdered. The reality is that more of the major pro-life groups are run and staffed by women.

So uh... The "We" getting fucked is mostly imagined.

No.3488296

>>3488284

>which I thought was a sin among the social justice elite.

It may be if you are a Clinton-cultist who wants globalization but Bernie has said many, many times he isn't willing to lower the standard of living of Americans to raise the standard of living of other nations. There are ways to help other nations which don't involve sending our jobs overseas.

No.3488298

>>3488285

>We assumes all woman are pro-abortion.

This, again shows the black and white absolutism of conservative thinking. It is quite possible and very widely true, that women can desire the freedom to choose to have an abortion if she wants one without wanting to have one under normal circumstances. Maybe women want the right to have an abortion in cases of rape? Voting to have the choice doesn't imply they all want to do it. You support the right to own 9001 guns if you want to but you're probably not going to actually go buy them. You care about the choice.

No.3488303

SAGE for LEFTIST POLITICAL THREAD #97620837208124.

[-]

No.3488313

>>3488298

This is a good example of how leftists operate:

Leftists love putting different groups of people into their own super special category, almost like separating people into races.

When you talk about "conservative absolutism", it's a clever way of getting around how leftism is built on absolutism, but only absolutism for their own policies. Given they have a multitude of "special groups", they can always claim they're "open" and "understanding of different people".

A leftist woman is always pro-abortion because if they're not, they're not welcome in the leftist spheres, thus they don't have a valid opinion, and aren't a "real person" to a leftist.

This is how leftists commit mass murder. They claim that they're the right ones, and that any dissent from their absolute views is wrong.

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>>3488313 "This is how leftists commit mass murder."

LOL! Man if there's even been a time when the Tropic Thunder meme was needed and absolutely true, it was with that statement there.

No.3488329

>>3488247'
You mean how Trump fucked up companies again and again with bankrupcies? the only smart thing is using lawyers and sidetracks to make his investors and workers PAY for HIS stupidity and he gets away scoot free Enron style.

I mean, HOW THE FUCK YOU BANKRUPT A CASINO.. TWICE?!!

No.3488332

>>3488281

Agree, comparing global standards is strawman argument.

Besides, global wise.. A tiny group of white oligarchs controls almost all the wealth of the world. And the majority of them are from dynasties of families who were born in riches.
>>3488313
lmao, you really put the maximum speed on your bullshit bus.

No.3488463

>>3488332
The Jews and the Arabs control the rest.

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One thing is for sure, you can't make up the literal insanity of the left since Trump came in.

One thing is for sure, there's no line of leftists rushing to give their new money back to the government for all these bullshit fantasy things they believe need to be funded.

LOL giving money back is now "theft" according to leftist shills.

No.3488473

>>3488470 Again, see >>3487711.

Trump's banking on these tax cuts through his presidency just to make himself look good.

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>>3488313

This is the same bullshit argument that conservatives use about racism. They say the left is just as racist as the right because we won't let them hang niggers and that infringes on their rights as white people. Same bullshit that was said by plantation owners who said it was racists against whites not to let them own slaves.

"I'm not X, you are X." is the response of a child.

No.3488506

>>3488470

Did you even read the bill? did you even read that you will pay more in a few years?
did you even read or get informed how these kind of cuts to the rich never give jobs back because they will bank the money and leave government with bigger dept?
did you read WHO will pay said debt later on?

>has to retort to but muh money, dirty liberals said X thing!.
No.3488545

>>3488476

They say the left is just as racist because the left is full of WHITE SAVIORS and people that probably don't realize that half the shit they say ends up sounding like non-whites are wholly incapable without "crutches." Or the people that spout shit that if you exchanged the "WHITE" for any other ethnicity you'd have an internet mob seeking to dox and get you fired.

Y'all can keep trying to avoid having to do any fucking housecleaning all you want but all the trash in the corners will eventually become trash in the middle of the room.

I've long since divorced myself and my help of the local lefty groups. It's fucking disgusting seeing white "allies" self flagellate all the fucking time. Not to mention all the upper-middle/upper-class fucks talking down to people like they've suffered in life.

No.3488580
>the "right" think that gay marriage causes hurricanes, that slavery was not bad, that propping up Israel is good for America, that Robert E Lee was a patriot, that Hitler wasn't so bad, that aliens do not exist because "God made us and no one else", that all Mexicans are laxy, that all Muslims are automatically terrorists and that white criminals are "lone wolves"
>then they blame the left and centrists of being the bad ones

Enjoy your temporary tax cuts, followed by the emergency tax increases because the government doesn't have enough money to fucking operate. Oh good for you, the middle class saves a few bucks, but the rich get the most out of this, nor will they suffer at all when taxes do go back up because they're so loaded that if you taxed them 40% they'd still be rich.

All while Trump has failed on his racist travel ban, never built his wall, never prosecuted his old friend Hillary, has a low approval rating, propped up homophobic conservatives and played golf more than he's done shit to run the nation.

Just admit it, you're fucking losing because of this clown. The right? Nah, you're wrong.

>inb4 cancer

You don't have an argument so you may as well.

No.3488581

Don't forget the right's rampant defense of pedophilia. What the fuck happened there?

In 2007 you were fucking praising Chris Hansen, now it's all "he frames white people" or "he stages that with actors", the fact you can't even pick one, let alone both being disproven, makes you liars. You defend a coalburning gay Jew "reporter" who defends kiddie molestation("Victim" my ass, he said he enjoyed it and was thankful) and supported an Alabama candidate who molested piles of underage girls.

You lose any right to critique anyone else when you think pedophilia is acceptable. It's not Chirs Hansen's fault the majority that showed their dicks to teens online then went to the houses were white men.

I seriously wish Dragoneer walks into one of his stings. That would fuck this fandom over so terribly.

No.3488582

>>3488581

>the right's rampant defense of pedophilia

LOL wut?
No one buys that. The Left have been the historical defenders nay, promoters of pedophilia since forever. LGBTQP was a thing before the P was forced to be dropped. Leftist counselors and social workers have been trying to push for more acceptance of pedophiles for decades. Leftist news sites have articles written by pedophiles begging for understanding.

That you'd even try to say that the Right has anything over the left in Pedo apologia is just laughable.

No.3488599

>>3488476
What an astounding liar you are, nobody on the right has said that.

No.3488600

>>3488582

>Leftist counselors and social workers have been trying to push for more acceptance of pedophiles for decades. Leftist news sites have articles written by pedophiles begging for understanding.

[citation needed]

No.3488611
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>>3488581

>The right defends pedophiles...

That is an unfair statement. Religions defend pedophiles and much of the right is religious but the political movement itself does not defend pedophiles.

>>3488582

>Leftist counselors and social workers have been trying to push for more acceptance of pedophiles for decades.

This also is a unfair statement. Psychologists have been pushing to lower the penalty for pedophilia as to encourage people to seek counseling before they abuse a child. Under the current laws if a pedo tries to get help to stop being a pedo they can be labeled a sexual predator and have their lives destroyed without ever having touched a child. Because of this little research is ever done to find why they are pedos in the first place or how to fix them.

Again, it is not the left who wants to soften the laws on pedos but professionals and scientist. There are just a majority of intelligent professionals in the left as apposed to the right but the party itself is not to blame.

No.3488612

>>3488611

Really? Seven year old tweets is the best that you can come up with?

No.3488616

>>3488611

I don't get it. Why is this awkward? Because a president is acknowledging Christmas? Because Barack is Christian? Why wouldn't he do that?

NOT appearing Christian would just give all the birther retards still wailing that he's an undercover Muslim more ammo fire off with. Notice how empty their guns have been for sometime? Yeah.

No.3488617

>>3488616
Because Trump has been using "Merry Christmas" as a cudgel this year, having promised to "Make Christmas Merry Again" on the campaign trail - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/24/trump-people-are-proud-to-be-saying-merry-christmas-again.html

No.3488618

>>3488611

Tell us how Bernie can still win.

No.3488624

>>3488600

Which you will never find.
These are the idiots who still believes Hillary "ran" a pedo parlor in a pizza joint's basement.. a pizza place that didn't even have a basement in the first place.
And despite being debunked 3000 times.. The idiotic conservative fanboys still claim its true.

Similar to how they blame Soros of everything, when they are sucking the dick of the Koch brothers.

No.3488625

>>3488616

This entire month Trump has been bitching a supposed "War on christmas" and how obama never made it "christian" and how he (Trump) would make Christmas great again.

All a bunch of stupid lies since Obama always said Merry Christmas.

No.3488649

>>3488612

It's a joke. Geeze, don't take Trump so seriously. You are reaching Clinton cultist level of being a special snowflake.

No.3488685

>>3488624

>"...Similar to how they blame Soros of everything, when they are sucking the dick of the Koch brothers."

Nope. The Koch brothers were completely opposed to Trump. So much for their supposed following.

No.3488706
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>>3488624
Wikileaks is a complete lie...

No.3488709
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>>3488706
Oh yeah, just like Reading Rainbow was all about gay indoctrination. It had a rainbow, after all!

No.3488719

lol why are modern americans dumb as bricks

you guys weren't always like this, what happened

No.3488735
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18523

>>3488719
soy TVP in everything, soy lecithin in everything, soybean oil in everything.

No.3488750

>>3488709
Because children being raped....doesn't happen?

No.3488806

>>3488750
No, it's casting aspersions on that conspiracy theory revolving around a pizza place being a front for some vast pedophile ring in D.C.

No.3488874
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>>3488618

>Tell us how Bernie can still win.

Tell us again how Hillary lost?

No.3488901

>>3488719
Unregulated capitalism leads to rightwing media leads to a dumber populace.

No.3488938

>>3488901
Tell me more.
Trump reduces taxes, Liberal media are silent about that - they criticize Trump for not organizing any banquets ("which are an important diplomatic tool").

No.3488939

>>3488938
Oh, they've been speaking up about it - namely how those reduced taxes will spike the deficit skywards, thus "justifying" the GOP's attempts at reducing it by enacting entitlement "reform" (read: cuts to future beneficiaries, as even they aren't stupid enough to try cutting Medicare for existing Seniors).

No.3488965

>>3488938
The only actually liberal media these days is online, and they've been screaming about Trump's bullshit since before he was ever even a candidate.

You're thinking of corporate media, which is center-right.

No.3488996
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>>3488036

>I fucking CALLED IT!!

Haha what?! You claimed that Trump would fuck it all up and damage the GOP tax plan by signing it too early. But it looks like they made a deal to prevent the automatic spending cuts from happening, so now they have all year to make the necessary spending cuts while Trump gets to look like a hero by delivering on his Christmas promise to give Americans more money.

Even your beloved Bernie Sanders has endorsed the GOP tax plan.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/24/bernie-applauds-middle-class-tax-cuts-as-a-very-good-thing-video/

No.3488997
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>>3488996

1) Wow, so desperate to find anything bad to say you had to photoshop an image? Kinda sad.

2) He said that short term tax cuts for the middle class are nice but temporary while the tax cuts to the wealthy are permanent and much greater. Also when you say, "spending cuts" you know those cuts are going to come out of the benefits that poor people depend on to live.

You are literally celebrating the deaths of the most vulnerable American citizens which will be the result of this bill in a failed attempt to justify your failed GOP policies. If killing Americans is the best your party can do, none of you deserve to be in office.

No.3489001
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>>3488997

>He said that short term tax cuts for the middle class are nice

Well, that's in direct contradiction from when he was running for president and proposing to give the middle class massive tax hikes. It sounds like Bernie's a little worried about the boost this could give the GOP in 2018 considering how popular tax cuts are.

We're already seeing the effects occurring right now. AT&T is giving over 200,000 employees an extra bonus of $1,000 as a direct result of the lower corporate tax rates. I also read the Boeing is doing the same thing for their employees. My company will be adding an extra amount to our bonuses for 2017 performance, though I don't know how much they're going to give us. Hmmm, what do you call it when the tax burden of corporations are lessened and the extra cash available to the company then trickles down to all of the employees so that they have larger paychecks and bigger bonuses?

No.3489003
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>>3489001

Yes, it is a contradiction, because you are taking it out of context. He is saying a short term tax break is nice but fucking people over in the long run is bad. You are focusing on the first half of the sentence and pretending the last half of the sentence doesn't exist.

No.3489007
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>>3489001

>We're already seeing the effects occurring right now. AT&T is giving over 200,000 employees an extra bonus of $1,000 as a direct result of the lower corporate tax rates.

That had nothing to do with the tax break. They announced that almost a year ago to try and salvage their horrible popularity. Even if it was true, it would be 0.00006% of what they get in tax breaks. Big fucking woop.

Also, they are ending thousands of jobs in America which was announced almost the moment the tax cuts became law.

http://www.newsweek.com/christmas-att-layoffs-midwest-bonuses-trump-758391

Face it, the GOP is fucking over workers to make themselves rich.

No.3489026

200,000 * $1000 / 0.00006%

You mean AT&T is getting 333 trillion USD in tax breaks?

No.3489028

>>3488997

>That is why you pay taxes

No, you pay taxes because a non-productive group of extra people are pretending to deliver you services which you didn't ask for, in order to hoard money for themselves.

Besides, your naive idea of an economy doesn't include savings which act as buffer against economic instabilities, and the need to accumulate capital to produce projects. If at no point in your childish ideal of an economy, nobody hoards any money, nobody can do anything - no factories are built, no roads are laid down, because eveyone's living hand-to-mouth and spending all the wealth they create immediately without putting any money to reserve. Without any disparity, everyone's equally impotent.

And you don't get around the probem by saying "the government will do it with the tax money", because in order to do so the government has to hoard the money, which according to your idiotic assumptions will collapse the economy - so you're forced to run against your own argument to make it work.

Perfect liberal logic.

No.3489036

there are people who dont have access to bitcoins or using a iphone to mine bitcoins still using the paper coins and credit cards as their source sooner or later super computers we be cheaper to buy to mine these crypto currencies we just dont have enough access to them were trade is limited or legal on other developing countries countries it sucks being unorganized and poor management it is for people to know how to make bitcoins. dont forget the lack of security and power source you may want to use solar panels or other power sources to power those processors.

No.3489103

>>3489028
Okay, by that logic, you're saying the military, infrastructure, safety regulating (OSHA, EPA, FDA, etc.), and a slew of other things should be either privately-owned or voluntarily Crowdsourced for funding.

That never turns out well.

No.3489170

>>3489103

>That never turns out well.

How well has it turned out so far? All of those listed have grown beyond whatever original point or purpose they had, and become entirely self-serving bureaucratic organisms that invent new regulations simply to make up new ways to demand for more money, and to institute crony capitalism to trip the competitors of government-affiliated corporations.

No.3489171

>>3489103

>Okay, by that logic...

Although, if we look at the real fundamental reason why we pay taxes: it's because the government creates the money as debt, as it issues bonds that serve as the reserve currency of our economy, and as the government has to purchase the bonds back when they mature, they have to obtain the money back.

To get the money back the government has two options: either sell some service, such as the military, the EPA, health care etc. for which the people pay voluntarily - or they can take the money from you by force as tax, or by issuing new bonds to create inflation, and then justify that grab by claiming that they're giving you essential services that you'd have bought anyways.

The latter option is favored by governments because they don't actually have to provide services for the full amount, which allows the people in the government - the political elite - to amass wealth for themselves, which results in the main problem: governments tend to shift from serving the people to serving themselves as they find themselves in the position to do so.

No.3489229

>>3489028

Its amazing you still believe all that shit when time after time it has been proven false.
Specially when its the oligarchs the ones hoarding money by using lobbyists.

Why do you think that tax heavens exists? why do you think every damn company wants to skip taxes?
they want the cake and the crumbs.. You're nothing to them and you will be even less once they attain monopoly thanks to deregulation.

Again, you're saving like 1,000 USD and you will pay 5,000 USD when the tax breaks expire.. but guess whose tax cuts wont expire? yes.. the rich and the CEO and executive pay.

Even if the US has the highest disparity between workers vs CEO salaries of all the world (by a huge fucking marging).

You're getting fucked in the ass, you moaning and then trying to keep face "NO, nothing is bad, everything is peachy! its all FAKE NEWS, I AM TOTALLY NOT GETTING FUCKED RIGHT NOW!".

More and more smaller companies are also finding that thanks to the switch of reductions vs taxes, they end paying more. which means more costs for them. Which means increased prices, which means they will get fucked against megacorps who got the giant taxes and can easily undercut price wise.. and then they willl start to fire in masse, destroying the middle class.. and then big corps can "cut costs' by culling thousands of thousands of jobs.. because the "market is stable" and they own everything.

>>3489103

Exactly, fine example of this bullshit is the private prisons.
Which are inventing excuses, taking states hostages by forcing them into either paying huge sums for "breach of contracts" or keep the prisoners coming via quotas that affect minorities on purpose.

Another example are the firefighters, I would love to see that idiot's ( >>3489028 ) house burning to dust, because he "oops" forgot to pay his firefighter fee.

>>3488685
Hu, are you fucking dumb?
Most of the republican senators and reps are sponsored by Koch, why you think there are reports of Koch actually preparing a giant PR machine to defend the tax beaks for THEM for the 2018 battle.

>>the political elite - to amass wealth for themselves

Except its not... Government by itself is not the problem, corruption and lobbyism to favour certain companies are.. and those who have the power to lobby and buy are always oligarchs.
Those specifically are the ones pushing for less regulations so they can dump the worst contaminants in your river, so they can get you sick and sell you bottled water and palliative medicine while blaming "liberals".

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>>3488997

>You are literally celebrating the deaths of the most vulnerable American citizens which will be the result of this bill in a failed attempt to justify your failed GOP policies.

First, I'm a proud Hillary supporter from before the primaries, so get it straight. Second, I do feel bad about the negative consequences that will be felt by those who rely on government assistance. But I'm not one of them and I know that this group includes guys like you, GFF, Sorrowful and the other bernout brocialists. I've never used Obamacare ever, I've had my own insurance through employment since I was 21. Sorrowful and GFF (and I'm sure you too) have needed or currently needs Obamacare. I work for a company that's going to give it's employees an extra bonus from the lightened tax burden thanks to this GOP tax bill. I think GFF works for the post office and Sorrowful mentioned working for the Census, neither of which will benefit from lowered corporate tax rates. I doubt you're any more successful than them.

Look, you morons brought this upon yourselves. We'll let Donald Trump and the rest of the GOP continue to have their way with you for the next 3 years while we win in places like Virginia and Alabama with neoliberal policies. Come 2018 and 2020 I have a feeling that you will all be much more compliant. (pic related)

No.3489272

>>3489271

>I'm a proud Hillary supporter from before the primaries, so get it straight.

Do you think if you say that a thousand times people will believe you?

No.3489277
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>>3488036

>They are going to have to cut social security and medicaid the first thing in 2018 because of the Pay As You Go rules for congress. What a fucking idiot. He could have waited until after Jan and they would have had a year to find the money to offset the cuts but no, he hates poor people so he isn't going to put off even a moment of self-gratification to keep them alive.

Good. Fuck you. Social security is already bankrupt. It was a scam set up by boomers so they could take the money of their future generation and pad out their retirements while we will never see that money ourselves. Fuck medicaid because nobody owes you healthcare. You don't have a right to it. And the private sector has always, literally always, made healthcare cheaper and more affordable through competition and innovation. Not by the government helping protect corporate patents and locking insurance prices.

>b-but you must like people dying

A complete brainlet slippery slope argument you fluoride-slurping cro-magnon dishonest son of a bitch. Go dump out your fridge onto the street and feed some homeless right now, and do it every week. You don't want people to die of starvation, do you?

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>>3489277

>Social security is already bankrupt.

Again you show your ignorance. Social Security is fully funded for several more decades even after Bush stole from it to fund his illegal war for oil. Reagan was smart enough to see the looming crisis so he raised taxes to fund it for when the baby boomers all hit retirement age. Republicans claim it's bankrupt because they want to steal the money. You know, that money you worked for so you could retire.

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>>3489271

No.3489302

>>3489277

>Social security...a scam set up by boomers
>le brainlet maymay

Well, since these boomers have a time machine why can't they just go back to when bitcoins sold for less than a dollar and sell them now? We could easily cancel the entire US federal debt.

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>>3489302
Don't forget the fluoride conspiracy mention!

No.3489455
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45552
>GFF needs Obamacare
>GFF works for the post office

lol really?

https://youtu.be/eT9aU8-ofdA

No.3490135
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>>3489455

Being a full grown man in his 30's and needing to rely upon government welfare is pretty pathetic, but working for the Post Office is actually a pretty decent job considering the workload and the requirements to work there.

>>3489280

>Social Security is fully funded for several more decades

No it's not, it's a Ponzi scheme and the only way to continue it's existence is to have a large population growth rate in order to have the ability to take care of the older generations. Especially when you consider that humans are living longer with technological and medical advances. Eventually the whole thing will collapse and you'll be left with nothing, much like all those who lost their life savings to Bernie Madoff's scheme.

No.3490154

>>3490135

If you just reduce the insane expenditures on the military and raise taxes on all the stockpiled money, America's workers will be able to retire and they won't have to rely on their kids, so the kids can spend their money on goods and services instead.

You can't have a first-world nation and not have a funded public retirement system.

When you say stuff like "Ha good riddance, is ponzi scheme" or whatever what you are actually saying is "So what if the Yellowstone megavolcano is 100 % certainly going to erupt within 30 years? I have already said I don't care about that so why are you even talking about it?"

You have to put money into Medicare and Social Security. There is no option to massively increasing taxes and cutting back on the military so you can fund these programs sufficiently. You will not have an America unless you do.

No.3490160

>>3489001

Boeing is outsourcing and is spending two percent of the gift from the government on its employees.

Tax cuts are wrong. The W tax cuts ruined the US and these tax cuts will as well.

No.3490162
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>>3489284

Capitalism is an extension of liberalism. It is a universalist system that makes commodities out of labor and capital without regard to race, religion or gender. Its logical conclusion is monopolies which are indistinguishable from communism.

No.3490164
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>>3490160
The military makes up a relatively small part of the budget, you could completely eliminate and it still wouldn't be enough to save Social Security at this rate. The interest on our ballooning debt, that is growing larger and accelerating every year, is almost half of what we spend on our military. Hey, how about we pay off our debt and then we wouldn't have to pay any interest? I don't know, seems like it makes some sense.

No.3490167

>>3490164

Nope. More spending on the poor. Fuck the deficit. No one wants to collect on the debt. Fuck not spending money. Fuck reductions. Fuck tax cuts. Take money from the rich, take more from them if they try to flee.

No.3490170
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>>3490167

>Fuck tax cuts

Uh, I hate to break it to you but the tax cuts have already been passed, they've already started for this year. In fact, it was reported in this very thread.

>Fuck not spending money. Fuck reductions.

Paul Ryan is going to be working on that this year, now that he's got his tax cuts and thus, a reason to justify the cuts in order to reduce the deficit.

>More spending on the poor.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen anytime soon. (pic related)

No.3490171

>>3490170
The thing is, the reason socialism exists is because it prevents societal collapse or revolution.

Since less socialism and lower taxes always leads to misery and worsening economic conditions and growth, it is impossible for the US to continue existing without the New Deal. You can't have a future without a social safety net. It is suicide for a nation to not destroy Paul Ryan's agenda.

Corporations don't care about nations. Small businesses might, but corporations never do, because they are owned by foreigners or fund managers.

No.3490213

>>3490171
Don't confuse socialism and social programs.

Socialism is something entirely different - it aims at abolishing private ownership of the means of production. You don't need socialism to have social programs.

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>>3490164
Incidentally, cutting military spending from ~16% to around 2% would close the gap between the government spending and tax revenue, enabling the federal government to stop taking on new debt, which would in turn lower the expense of interest and reduce the future costs, and turn the federal budget into a surplus.

That in turn would allow more spending to health and social security.

No.3490246

>>3490214

Yeah, except considering the bullshit the Navy is doing and all military branches demanding more money (which Trump agreed). That wont happen.

No.3490273

>>3490246
Keep in mind though that there are also programs and projects that the military genuinely does not want to keep around, but due to how many manufacturing jobs are tied into it, Congress keeps pushing it through anyway.

I'm referring to the 3+year pushback against tank production - https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/28/pentagon-tells-congress-to-stop-buying-equipment-it-doesnt-need.html

No.3490282

>>3490273
That affects such a small portion of the workforce that it's not justified even in the jobs stimulus standpoint. It's just a few rich assholes refusing to give up an industry that they are personally profiting from.

No.3490283

>>3490282
It's just a few rich assholes refusing to give up an industry that they are personally profiting from.

That's where I have to disagree - as part of the nation-wide workforce, you're absolutely right, but for the Districts those jobs are in, it could be the lifeblood of the town. Take that away as their Congressmember, and you're out on your ass.

And I was referring more to what >>3490214 posted.

No.3490285

>>3490214
Cutting military spending would leave lots of people (working IN military and even more FOR military) out of work. First, lots of youngsters whose only trained skill is harming people, with no income, then lots of military professionals up for hire by whichever country is willing to pay them. Therefore, army spending cuts is something that can happen on multi-generation scale, not presidential cadence.

No.3490286

>>3490283

>Take that away as their Congressmember, and you're out on your ass.

What I said.

No.3490287

>>3490285
It would cost a fraction of the money to pay the same people a "re-adjustment aid" rather than keep building trillions of dollars worth of pointless tanks and ships and fighters that are never going to be used.

Because you know what happens when the military stops spending so much resources? The price of everything drops as the amount of oil, energy, metals, chemicals... etc. is reduced by a huge margin by the cessation of such pointless activities.

No.3490288

>>3490285
Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_usage_of_the_United_States_military

>The United States Department of Defense is one of the largest single consumers of energy in the world, responsible for 93% of all US government fuel consumption
>The DoD's electricity use would supply enough electricity to power more than 2.6 million average American homes. In electricity consumption, if it were a country, the DoD would rank 58th in the world, using slightly less than Denmark and slightly more than Syria
>The Air Force uses 10% of the nation's aviation fuel.
No.3490289
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>>3490287

>It would cost a fraction of the money to pay the same people a "re-adjustment aid"

Fucking this! Seriously. We are paying people to do nothing productive. We are paying them to make shit we don't need, the military doesn't want, and is just going to waste. Put them to work doing something useful.

No.3490298

>>3490289 But now we do have bankrupts and massive unemployment.

No.3490299

>>3490289
Even when you agree with me, you manage to get the point the fucking wrong way.

In this case, it's the government and not the corporations that are reaping the benefit, because the representatives are covering their own asses by propping up a pointless industry.

In general though, even keeping people on welfare is better than forcing them to derive income by bullshit like services and retail, or things like selling pot to other poor people, because giving the poor the money directly saves the effort and drain of resources of the make-work that they would otherwise perform.

The only problem with the idea is, that the government is tasked with the job of executing this function of income redistribution, and in doing so they will give money to all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons - because the government will be giving out money based on what results in most money back to the political elite.

No.3490300
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>>3490298
There has been a tradeoff.

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>>3490300
And it's not even about automation. Real productive output is down with people getting better pay out of white collar and service/retail jobs.

So in essence, everyone's doing non-useful things, and whining why they aren't getting paid enough to live.

No.3490318

The real question is, why is manufacturing paying so little, and retail paying too much?

1) minimum wage laws. You have to pay the same to someone flipping burgers and waiting tables, as someone actually processing the meat and building the tables or the whole fucking restaurant. Of course people want to just serve coffee rather than do hard manual labor that requires skill.

2) the retail chain has pushed up the sales prices to ridiculous amounts while pushing down the producer prices, thanks to lobbying and selective government subsidies. If you refuse their prices, you're out of business, because the government is subsidizing overproduction of the goods that are still manufactured in the country.

No.3490346

>>3490287
A nice idea that has no chance of surviving the clash with reality. You think with 12% of budget freed up, how much of it would end up distributed to these suddenly made redundant? And how would the citizens look at people being paid not to shoot people?

No.3490350

>>3490299

>Even when you agree with me
>agreeing with 3B

You should just hang yourself. If you agree with 3B on anything, then you should end it all right now.

Nothing makes me happier than when I realize that I have virtually nothing in common with that lumpy potato-headed autistic turd.

No.3490352
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>>3490273

>but due to how many manufacturing jobs are tied into it, Congress keeps pushing it through anyway.

You mean like your beloved Bernie Sanders who voted to get that $1.5 billion in pork barrel military spending to produce the F-35 in his home state of Vermont.

Funny how you never mentioned that when you were bitching about how Hillary is no different from Trump.

http://taskandpurpose.com/sanders-position-on-the-f-35-contradicts-his-views-on-defense-spending/

No.3490353
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>>3490352

>$1.5 billion in pork barrel military spending

Sorry, that should be $1.5 trillion, not billion but trillion. That's enough money to have funded virtually any of Bernie's 2016 campaign promises. Why didn't he spend all that time and energy fighting to get that money spent on universal healthcare or free college education for all Americans instead of hoarding in his tiny, little state?

Hey GFF, how do you justify that Hillary is a "turd sandwich" and Trump is a "douche", but Bernie Sanders is a revolutionary hero?

No.3490357
>Hey GFF, how do you justify that Hillary is a "turd sandwich" and Trump is a "douche", but Bernie Sanders is a revolutionary hero?

He's a useless faggot who can't get laid, that's how

No.3490364
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>>3490352

>But her emails... I mean, but his f-35s!

Bernie flat out said several times that if he rejected the program that it would just move to South Carolina and the jets would still be made so voting against it would accomplish nothing except taking jobs from the people in his state. It's the same thing he said about coal.

"These people are trapped in one of the few industries companies can't ship overseas. Government has a responsibility to not only end these wasteful jobs but create programs to give workers access to the better jobs they deserve. "

If your major complaint about Bernie Sanders is that he won't fuck over workers for his own glorification then maybe you should vote for him?

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>>3490364
First of all, why are you trying to use to the Pope to convince me to support Bernie Sanders, you have no respect for him or the church he represents and you have your tongue firmly lodged in Richard Dawkins' stinktube. He could use that by the way because he just had his third marriage hilariously collapse while he was stroked out.

Second, I don't care what your excuse for Bernie's failure is. I asked a simple question and I'll ask it again. Why wasn't he fighting to get that money used to pay for free healthcare or college? That's enough money to pay for either of those for a few years, at least.

No.3490368
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>>3490357

>He's a useless faggot who can't get laid

It's fun to laugh at for that (even though it probably applies to most of the failures on this board who aren't complete faggots) but the best part is that he'll never reproduce and pass on his failed genes. He'll never climb into the same bed at night with a woman who truly loves him or cares for him, and he'll never kids. He'll just be that weird, creepy uncle.

But really, can he offer a justification for Bernie's supposed "heroic" achievements for progressive politics and his disdain for a woman who's worked to make at least some practical progess to benefit his life? For fuck's sake, he's needed Obamacare in order to get by. What the fuck has Bernie ever done for this useless waste of space besides offer him empty promises?

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>>3490353

>Bernie is supporting a 1.5 Trillion dollar program for his state.

The 1,100 jobs in Vermont are a small part of the program. Unless you think they are paying each individual worker 1.36363636 billion dollars.

Your argument is idiotic.

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>>3490368

For clarification: Are you talking about me and my disdain for Hillary or someone else's?

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>>3490372

Again you're giving me excuses. Why don't you answer my question: why didn't Bernie Sanders spend his quarter-of-a-century in Congress to funnel that military spending into programs that benefit ALL AMERICANS instead of selfishly thinking of stable, high-paid jobs for the few people in his state?

>>3490373

>For clarification: Are you talking about me and my disdain for Hillary or someone else's?

The question was addressed to GFF, the guy who derives all of his political insight from "current year man" and the chucklefucks who make South Park where he stole the brilliant line of "Douche v. Turd Sandwich". Although the question I asked you could also be asked from GFF.

No.3490391
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>>3490375

>why didn't Bernie Sanders spend his quarter-of-a-century in Congress to funnel that military spending into programs that benefit ALL AMERICANS instead of selfishly thinking of stable, high-paid jobs for the few people in his state?

I did explain that. The jobs being in another state instead of his state would have done nothing to actually stop the waste of money. It would have just been wasted on different people. He was elected to represent Vermont so he did that.

I know you think your argument is smart and some kind of gotcha but he just did his job: He protected the interest of the people who elected him.

Or do you think Sanders secretly is all powerful and runs the congress? Is it because he's a jew? Do you think he has the power to dictate where the money goes nation wide because he's a jew?

I don't understand how you think he has the power to tell them where to spend trillions of dollars across multiple states.

No.3490393
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>>3490364

As a shill trying to push socialism for his own self-interest (He never gave back that Audi or any of the mansions), Bernie will shill for anything at anytime he thinks will make an impression with the lower end people.

No.3490394

>>3490368
Okay, if it wasn't "douche vs. turd sandwich", then why the fuck did Trump win? Yeah, we had a Russian disinformation campaign running against Clinton, as well as the fucking FBI dropping the bombshell of "Oh, we're reopening that email investigation again because of more emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer" literally a week before the election - and that completely overshadowed the "Grab her by the pussy" comments out of Trump.

And that comparison, by the way, was just in regards to how popular the pair were - Clinton was, and is, far more qualified than Lord Dampnut (thank you, Colin Mochrie) for the position, and I'd have far preferred her to any Republican candidate that was on offer, but she had 30 years of political baggage working against her in an election where people wanted an "outsider" candidate.

No.3490396

>>3490352
And notice that in my post >>3490283, I said that it would be fucking political suicide for a House member to vote against a program like that, even if they disagree with it. That said, Senators have more leeway on it, though if they piss enough people off the same thing would happen.

Hell, Duckman hit the nail on the head 30+ years ago - https://youtu.be/9TIa8pvS9lQ?t=5m25s - "We want leaders to make tough choices, then we vote 'em out when they do!"

No.3490401

>>3490368
Also, in that post you keep referring to, I also referred to John Kerry and Al Gore having similar problems - despite both being qualified for the position, they both had the charisma of a plank of wood, which is a death knell for a popularity contest.

I mean for fuck's sake, look what happened to Howard Dean - his entire 2004 campaign got derailed because he showed too much enthusiasm! Trump is the only candidate I've ever seen who's recovered from scandals that would have sunk literally any other candidate out there, and that's not a good thing.

No.3490431
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>>3490393

>He never gave back that Audi or any of the mansions

Do you believe everything you see on 4chan? He never owned or even drove an audi. He drives a 3 year old Lincoln Town Car SUV. Or rather his wife does while he rides shotgun.

It was photoshop and you're an idiot.

No.3490452
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>>3490394

>Okay, if it wasn't "douche vs. turd sandwich", then why the fuck did Trump win?
>well, except for all of these reasons that I just listed

Well, his base support came from his economic policies combined with his pandering to Evangelicals. The booming economy, a massive reduction of taxes that hasn't been seen since Reagan and the big middle finger he gave to the UN by standing by the decision to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

You want to know what put him over the top in the Electoral College, despite losing the popular vote? Well, then look in the mirror, it was all Bernie supporters like yourself who delivered Trump to the White House. This is all the more baffling considering that I, as a neoliberal Hillary supporter and engineer with a six figure salary, will benefit immensely from the GOP tax plan while bernouts like you and 3B will get nothing.

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

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>>3490394

>but she had 30 years of political baggage

Yeah you're right, because Bernie Sanders literally had no baggage whatsoever. I mean, we never uncovered his creepy rape essays and he never attacked Planned Parenthood. That's why Bernie won women by such large margins.

He never voted against the 2005 immigration reform bill that hispanics wanted and he certainly never tried to dump Vermont nuclear waste onto poor hispanics in Texas. He's never praised Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. That's why he won states with large hispanic communities like Texas and Florida by double digits.

He has an immaculate record on sensible gun control. Remember when he firmly stood firm against the NRA and with the families of Sandy Hook victims? That is why he defeated Clinton in Connecticut.

He certainly never ignored black people in his home state of Vermont because he didn't need their votes, and he certainly never tried to backtrack with obvious and cringe-worthy pandering and implying that white people can't be poor or live in ghettos.

No.3490455
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And of course Bernie's wife never took $200,000 payday for committing bank fraud that resulted in the bankruptcy of the college she presided over. Oh, and of course there isn't a messy FBI investigation that could dampen Bernie's 2020 hopes.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/08/fraud-probe-into-bernies-wife-could-ruin-his-hopes-for-2020/

No.3490457

>>3490452
Oh fuck right off with that noise. Sanders didn't have an active investigation into him going on, and I know that had a major impact because my own brother, a Marine, bought into the Benghazi bullshit. And yes, that shit happened nationwide - http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls - with Trump carrying 60% of the veteran vote. Not sure exactly what "non-veteran" in the same category means, because it could technically mean active-duty enlisted or apply to just non-combat personnel.

Also, I doubt that Sanders would've had a bombshell drop literally the week before the election - Trump managed to carry that vote 45 - 42%.

And in the wake of this clusterfuck of an election, I'd like to reiterate that I'd love to see an overhaul of the Electoral College happen, where everyone follows the example Maine and Nebraska set and have apportioned Electoral votes, rather than "winner-take-all".

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>>3490457

>Sanders didn't have an active investigation into him going on

The complaint originated in January 2016, before the primary even really began. And we already knew Jane Sanders bankrupted the university and her six figure payday from 2011. But we thought it was just due to her incompetence, not outright felony bankfraud as it currently appears to be. Get your facts straight you fucking dolt.

But we'll never know if that would have cost him the election in a hypothetical matchup against Trump, because of all the baggage that turned most Democrats off of Bernie Sanders and cost him the nomination in the first place. (pic related)

No.3490462

>>3490457
Though all this said - why the fuck are we back to Bernie/Hillary, when Trump is the ignorant asshole currently residing in the Oval Office?

No.3490465
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>>3490462

>why the fuck are we back to Bernie/Hillary, when Trump is the ignorant asshole currently residing in the Oval Office?

Because you fucking bernout failures GAVE US TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! How are you still not fucking understanding this. Bernie's already gearing up for another 2020 run that will likely divide Democrats again and give Trump a second term.

No.3490471

>>3490465
I voted Clinton, and encouraged others to as well.
She didn't win the Electoral college, so how about we look at how the fuck to deal with the temperamental toddler in the White House?

No.3490475
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>43B and GoogleFuFuckwit still defending Bernie

lol tell us again how Bernie can still win

No.3490481
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>>3490452

>But Bernie voters also voted for Trump so it's all their fault that he won...

Yes, according to the @DNC 12% of Bernie's voters voted for Trump. Those people are called Republicans because Unlike Hillary and her horrible identity driven policies, Bernie actually got support from both parties.

Again, according to the DNC, 20% of Hillary's total votes were from us.

>Bernie's wife is under investigation..

Not for long. The accusation was made by someone who worked for Trump directly and has since admitted the entire story was a second hand rumor.

https://www.snopes.com/2017/07/07/gop-lawmaker-allegations-sanders/

>Bernie Sanders made it so the Sandy Hook families couldn't sue gun manufacturers...

Hillary, personally, said that in a debate on TV which everyone mocked her for because the headline for that morning was a story about the families of Sandy Hook suing gun manufacturers that same day. She cared so little about the victims of Sandy Hook she had no idea that they were in court at that very moment doing the thing she claimed Sanders made impossible.

>>3490462

>Though all this said - why the fuck are we back to Bernie/Hillary....

We can't move past it because Hillary cultists can't accept that she lost. It's a religion for them. They are Jihadists who would rather keep Trump in office than let Sanders win because he dared question the holy purity of Hillary-Christ.

See: >>3490465 where it's somehow Bernie Sanders' fault that Hillary didn't win the states she failed to set foot in through the entire length of the campaign and barely spent any money in while he went there and campaigned for her. In fact he stumped for her in person more than she did for herself while she went over 275 days without holding a press conference or answering questions of any kind.

No.3490482

>>3490475

Tell us again how 50 thousand dollars worth of facebook ads, most of which were targeting red state, let Russia swing the election against your super-popular candidate?

No.3490483

>>3490482
That was just the most overt shit - they also co-opted Wikileaks, and had a steady disinformation campaign going throughout the general election which we only really found out about after Election Day.

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>>3490483

>Russia co-opted Wikileaks...

I don't know if Russia was the source for the wiki-leaks and we'll never know for sure but it's really an unimportant point because the things they leaked were true and no one, not even Clinton herself, disputed the fact that those were Podesta's emails and her own emails. If she wasn't a greedy, two faced, narcissist her emails getting released wouldn't have been so damaging. Face it, she was a shitty person and it bit her in the ass.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-says-she-has-both-public-and-priva/

No.3490507

>>3490501
Ugh, now you're quote-mining - everybody has a public vs. private face. Otherwise, do you think everyone here acts the way they do in public the same way they do online?

Hell, that can genuinely extend to politicians, who may believe one thing on a personal level, but hold a different viewpoint when it comes to actual policy-making. Abortion tends to be one of the biggest, since a lot of people don't approve of it, but they can see why others might want to have one.

No.3490524
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>>3490507

>All politicians have a public and private opinion.

This is true, but her private opinion was that unfettered international trade was awesome, shipping jobs overseas was just a side effect of a good market, that cutting social security and medicare was more important than cutting military spending and people were treating the 1% way too harshly. Those poor bankers were the true minority being oppressed in America.

In private she was the worst kind of Republican. When your private views and your public views are slightly different, that's politics. When they are the views of your enemy, it's being a traitor.

No.3490529

>>3490481

>Bernie actually got support from both parties.

Oh so when a 3B-approved democrat has some appeal to the center it's a good thing.

No.3490530

>>3490524

>cutting social security and medicare was more important than cutting military spending

Where did Clinton even say this or indicate this with her voting, you tiresome fucking yokel?

No.3490533

>>3490530
Don't worry - 3B only uses organically-sourced bullshit.

No.3490534

>>3490501

>no one, not even Clinton herself, disputed the fact that those were Podesta's emails and her own emails.

You're making a dishonest argument.

Whenever a public figure responds to false allegations by saying "not so", the public finds it a confirmation of the allegations because they don't trust the person. It's "the lady protests too much", ie. if you bother to respond, it is interpreted as trying to cover it up. Of course, because that's what the guilty would say.

If they don't respond, you will take the silence as an admission. In other words, they can't win. You've already decided they're guilty, and that's that. There is nothing they can do that would convince you of their innocense.

No.3490543

>>3490534
Oh, so like Glenn Beck's strategy where he'd cast accusations like this - http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/glenn-beck-rape-murder-hoax - and then deride the target when they inevitably declined to comment on the spurious allegation?

No.3490556

>>3490543
JAQing off, is the technical term.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

No.3490557

>>3490481

>We can't move past it because Hillary cultists can't accept that she lost.

By cultists, you mean trumpists? they have to bring Hillary every.. fucking.. second.. as a retort to anything the soggy cheetoh says.

No.3490560
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>>3490530

>Sources?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-hillary-clinton-wall-street-speeches-leaked-20161007-story.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/10/07/wikileaks_releases_excerpts_of_hillary_clinton_s_wall_street_speeches.html

Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean it isn't.

>>3490530

>Where did Clinton say she wanted to cut social security?

She didn't want to raise taxes to pay for it and she certainly has never met a war she didn't like sooo... where is the money coming from?

I know you like to believe that magically giving corporations money will make the economy grow but we know trickle down economics never, ever works. The money has to come from somewhere or they have to cut the program. That is why she supported the ACA because it forces the burden onto young, poor people instead of her 1% donors.

No.3490562
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Honestly I am so fucking tired of Hillary Clinton I really wish the bitch would just go the fuck away so the rest of the world can move on. Instead she's talking about running in 2018, while under FBI investigation again, because that's really going to help Democrats.

No.3490576
>brings up hillary whenever possible
>complains that hillary just won't go away

really makes ya think

No.3490580

>>3490576

What do you propose I do just let her cultists lie to everyone without setting the record straight? No thanks. Unilateral disarmament never seemed like a winning strategy. I'm not a corporate Democrat. I don't get paid to lose the war of ideas against Republicans.

No.3490581

>>3490580
How about we fucking focus on the asshole actually in the White House rather than "Oh, so-and-so might run in a few years!" That'd be a great start.

No.3490583
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>>3490581

The only way to get Democrats to not be the total fucking losers they have consistently been since Regan was in office is to kick them out of office. Trump is a distraction that will take care of himself. He is clearly crooked as hell. We already know what happens in 2020. Bernie runs. Bernie wins.

The question is how many people can we replace in the corrupt houses of congress to help him fix shit once he's in office. How many democrats can we replace in 2018?

No.3490584

>>3490583

>The only way to get Democrats
>Bernie runs. Bernie wins.

Sanders isn't and never was a democrat though.

No.3490585

>>3490580

>I don't get paid to lose the war of ideas against Republicans.
>Legitimizes every talking point targetting the leftist candidate while regurgitating all the claptrap about Trump's "populism"
>It is the DNC's fault Trump won

White boys can't help themselves.

No.3490586

>>3490583

>How many democrats can we replace in 2018?

Yeah, they should totally go the route the GOP took and seek out fringe candidates. Because there certainly isn't enough tribalism in politics right now.

No.3490589

>>3490586

republicans can afford to go insane because their voters are also sick.

But I actually agree all democrats have to move to the left. Especially when it comes to marijuana, lower military expenses, and free trade. They have to abandon the gun issue though. People simply love their massacres.

No.3490591

>>3490583
Ugh, and this is why nobody likes talking politics with you - you're so one-note that it's like the record started skipping. Sanders may very well not run at all in 2020 - he's getting up there in years.

No.3490598

>>3490589

You mean republicans love massacres.. because muh murrica, muh guns, muh capitalism... thinking their guns will defend their already gone freedom.

No.3490601

>>3490598
yeah, but those liberals commit a massacre on the scale of the holocaust every year on innocent babbys, so it all evens out

No.3490612
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>>3490589

"Voters are also sick"

LOL. Have you seen what kind of votes the left goes over? The literal definition of "sick".

Remember, a huge part of the leftist "progress" is providing and supporting mentally ill transexuals and their quest to find a supportive "safe space" toilet.

Wow. There's something that's going to be remembered in two hundred years.

No.3490615

>>3490586

Just look at Speaker Paul Ryan, and his upcoming re-election campaign.

In the primary he's opposed by a total nutcase, one of these "alt-right" racist anti-Semites, (I know that makes him a hero to some of the losers here,) but in the general election he's running against a real challenge, somebody who isn't bought and paid for.

I have no doubt the GOP will go the route of Bush's goons in 2000 and 2004, lie and cheat.
Although Trumps' fake "voter integrity committee" has gone pif.

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>>3490591

>Sanders may very well not run at all in 2020.

His wife said he is, his campaign manager said he is and he's been doing everything someone does who is planning a run. Trump and the DNC sure think he is. The DNC's new strategy is to throw as many people in the primary as possible to distract from Sanders because they want anyone who won't cut off the flow of bribes. They are terrified and that means he's doing something right.

No.3490635

>>3490634
Again - there's 2 years in the meantime. Sanders is 76 years old.

So how about we focus on the fucking asshole residing in the White House right now rather than theorycraft about 2 years from now?

No.3490639
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>>3490635

>So how about we focus on the fucking asshole residing in the White House right now rather than theorycraft about 2 years from now?

Because Democrats are like spoiled children. If you don't keep on them constantly they will just keep behaving badly. They are already setting themselves up to fail. Instead of getting behind the most popular politician in America who has the most popular policies in America they are searching desperately for any corporate tool who might be able to defeat Trump in 2020.

The new Democrat plan is to run at least 17 people in the primary and see which corporate tool the American people can stomach. The DNC leadership is basically throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Anything but Bernie or anyone who will stop them from taking bribes.

No.3490646

>>3490639
Because Democrats are like spoiled children.

Yes, and acting like a spoiled toddler in response is the perfect fucking solution. We can't afford to have what's happening with the Republicans (Tea Party/Trump vs. Establishment) happen to the Democrats. Yes, they should embrace their proposed ideas rather than flee from them, but going to extremes is just as harmful long-term.

No.3490649

>>3490612
You are obsessed with harming and marginalizing trans people, so anyone that does not must therefore be "obsessed" with supporting them rather than just want to protect them from you. You're the one that started the issue because you could no longer get out voters by screaming about scary homos.

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Trump and Pence.

No.3490669
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>>3490639

>They are already setting themselves up to fail.

Sure, just look at our two recent failures with the Governor race in Virginia and the Senate race in Alabama. Two races that we Democrats lost because Tom Perriello of Virginia and Doug Jones of Alabama refused to endorse universal healthcare, free healthcare, etc. That, of course, made Bernie refuse to endorse them and campaign for them, which naturally made them lose.

...wait, looks at pic

...oh, I guess I was wrong, I guess we Democrats won both races without Bernie's help.

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>>3490635

>So how about we focus on the fucking asshole residing in the White House right now rather than theorycraft about 2 years from now?

Well, what's your idea then? What exactly do we do except plan to have him replaced in 2020 and much of Congress this year?

You want us to grab our arms and revolt against Trump? Because, I got news for you. Those of us Democrats with guns who could fight (like myself down here in Texas) don't have nearly as much of a problem with Trump in the White House as tax&spend socialists like yourself, so I don't think an armed revolution against Trump would work out nearly as good as you hope it would.

Do you mean consuming endless hours of Current Year Man and the black replacement for Jon Stewart and then bitching about it on the internet...then good luck with that. I'm sure it'll yield you very useful results. /s

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>>3490646

>We shouldn't embrace extremism.

Incremental change has been the death wail of the democratic party for over 30 years now and you want more of it? Idiot.

No.3490676

>>3490671
Picking up arms? No, not unless Trump tries to pull a stunt like instituting Martial Law.

Call your congress-critter to register your views on X/Y/Z legislation? Fuck yes. Get out and protest some of the most overt bullshit coming out of the administration? Sure thing! Filling other, less politically-savvy people in on the latest round of assholishness being committed by the GOP? Definitely.

Seriously, there's a shitload of relatively minor things that a person can do on a personal level that would go a long way.

No.3490677

>>3490669

>we Democrats

>>3490671

>us Democrats

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

No.3490678
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>>3490676

>Call your congress-critter to register your views on X/Y/Z legislation? Fuck yes.

Is that what you did with the GOP tax bill? Because that didn't really do jack shit and won't do anything until Democrats control Congress (assuming you live in a district with a Democrat). Anyway, I don't think you want me to do that. You live in New York, not in Texas. My Democratic representative isn't a tax & spend socialist Berniecrat and he, like myself, supports the GOP tax plan, as do many of my centrist and neoliberal Democratic friends and colleagues. Hey, if we have Republicans in control of everything, then the only upside is that they'll at least cut your taxes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against all of Donald Trump's social policies with the exception of abortion because I'm a pro-life Blue Dog Democrat. But the GOP and Donald Trump haven't done much on that front, they seem to be concerned more with economic policies (which is smart on their part) that has already yielded tangible results (most notably the AT&T bonus to 200,000 employees).

...you don't really understand the Democratic Party, do you?

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>>3490677

I hate to tell you but I've been a registered Democrat for the past decade since I graduated high school. I voted twice for Obama during the primaries and served as a delegate twice for him..

Do you mean I'm not a "real" Democrat as opposed to GoogleFuFailure (emphasis on the the failure)), who was a registered Independent and was too stupid to research deadlines so he couldn't actually vote for a "true" Democrat like Bernie, again because of his own ignorance and ineptitude?

No.3490681

>>3490678

>I'm a pro-life Blue Dog Democrat.
>...you don't really understand the Democratic Party, do you?

You display a stunning lack of self-awareness with this pair of statements.

No.3490682

>>3490678
Nope, I live in Katko's District - and yeah, didn't do much in changing his mind (or the mind of the staffer I talked to), but a lot of his constituents are pissed off over it.

No.3490684

>>3490678
Okay, next on the agenda (according to Paul Ryan) is Entitlement Spending - that tax plan of theirs is projected to add roughly $100,000,000,000 a year (on average, as it's staggered to be incrementally less-generous) onto the Deficit, something the GOP shut the government down on back in 2013.

Sanders did hit the nail on the head with that one when debating with Pat Toomey (R-PA) - https://youtu.be/zhvuWGBrlSg?t=3m52s - the GOP will almost assuredly use that newfound debt/deficit as an impetus for why we have to get Entitlements reformed, none of which will impact current retirees, but everyone who'll need it in the future? Yeah, they can go pound salt.

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>>3490681
No, you seem to not understand since you don't realize that Blue Dog is a thing in the Dem Party. You do understand that there are other Democrats besides Berniecrats? I mean, he lost pretty hard because there are a lot of us who hate that turd for giving us the "tax & spend liberal" label.

>>3490682

>derp, my Republican congressman ignored me, derp

Why do you have a Republican Congressman to begin with? Wow, you've been really useful in this fight....

Otherwise, I guess 3B and I are right (oh God, how did this happen?!) in that the only way forward is to replace the Republicans in Congress including your own, and then replacing Trump in 2020.

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>>3490684

>Okay, next on the agenda (according to Paul Ryan) is Entitlement Spending

I'm a Democrat and I support this. The most important thing for the economy is that we have a balanced budget and a lessening of the national debt.

No.3490689

>>3490685

>you seem to not understand since you don't realize that Blue Dog is a thing in the Dem Party

Unfortunately, you are once again wrong.

>You do understand that there are other Democrats besides Berniecrats?

Thanks for pointing me out to myself.

No.3490690

>>3490687

>I'm a Democrat and I support this.

Curious, how many issues can you depart from the party platform and still count yourself as a member?

No.3490691

>>3490689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

>The 115th Congress has seen the Coalition grow to 18 members.

>>3490690

>Curious, how many issues can you depart from the party platform and still count yourself as a member?

I thought we Democrats were corporate whores with little difference from the Republicans? Since when were we the torch-bearers for socialism/communism? Bernie is a singular member in Congress all on his own. There's no allies he has beyond the Democratic caucus.

No.3490693

>>3490691
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Caucus

>In the current (115th) Congress, the group has about three dozen members.

They speak more for the GOP than your right-wing fringe speaks for the Democrats.

>I thought we Democrats were corporate whores with little difference from the Republicans?

You really ought stop calling yourself a Democrat.

>Since when were we the torch-bearers for socialism/communism? Bernie is a singular member in Congress all on his own.

What the hell are you on about now? Are you having a Bush "with us or against us" moment w.r.t. the Democratic party? If so, see above.

No.3490694

>>3490687
Clinton never had a $200B surplus. The debt increased every year he was in office.

No.3490695

>>3490685
I voted - and as for why, I live in a solid-red County, and Maffei (our last Democratic Congressmember) lost in 2014 due in no small part to the fact that his political ads mostly around why people shouldn't vote for Katko, and always the same 3 points. That shit doesn't really fly well for the incumbent.

No.3490697

>>3490694
Except no - https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

No.3490700

>>3490693

>You really ought stop calling yourself a Democrat.

Well, unfortunately for you I am a Democrat and they haven't thrown me out. I'm sorry that I'm overrepresented because socialist asswipes like GFF couldn't be bothered to join and work to pull the Democratic Party to left. It's like myself nor any other Democrat prevented him from joining, he did that to himself.

You need to question turds like GFF for not joining and not making the Democratic a far-left party, not people like me who actually bother to join and keep it center.

No.3490815

>>3490669

Considering the opposition.. (aka GOP's candidates who are a total piece of shit rapists apologists, serial liar, corrupt, power hungry "judge") I'm surprised he didnt win earlier.

But then, have you seen the interviews of people who said their vote was for Moore? they looked dumber than your worst type of swamp hillbilly.

No.3490816

>>3490601

>on the scale of the holocaust every year on innocent babbys, so it all evens out
>complete baseless and bullshit numbers straight out of the ass.

so no proof?

No.3490817

>>3490694

Thats pretty much the definition of gas lighting fake news spouted non stop by the GOP to try to lessen the fact that GOP economics will never work. Cause Recessions constantly and only stagger the economy by putting all the wealth on oligarchs who already have way too much money to begin.

No.3490897

>>3490697
Except yes.

09/30/2001	5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

Every year the debt increased.

>>3490700

>and they haven't thrown me out

And furries haven't thrown out animal and/or child molesters. It's not like it's an exclusive club.

>people like me who actually bother to join and keep it center.

You're delusional if you think you're anywhere near the center.


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