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396778 No.3471294

I've been sober since the 4th. I've blasted though enough books to almost fill an entire new shelf, I've been trying out a ton of new recipes, deep cleaned everything in my house, been working over time, and started trying to train my dog in agility. And its all an insufferable, monochrome, emotionless, life sucking drag.

How do people do it? I've always been high functioning, and able to just suck it up and take life's monotony then go home and get shitfaced and play emotional russian rulet, but to endure people ALL THE TIME is hell. Just walking down the Street, or god forbid a Walmart and actually noticing people is rage inducingly disgusting.

Also A.A. is nothing short of insane. The meetings are like walking into an eternal bible camp where all the kids are on heavy Ritalin and their parents beat them when they go home; and the online forums are just as cringe worthy.

No.3471295

Did you finally start dating Brave? Cuz you sure sound like his whiny, attention-craving ass.

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>>3471295
Brave and Steam have been dating for a while

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>>3471299

I've been dating delicious scatmage for a long time already. No, he's not into scat, he made his name like that as a play-on-words of delicious catmage's name, whoever that guy is.

No.3471309
>going to Walmart or AA

Shit nigger, what are you doing? Might as well shove your dick into a box of rusty razor blades while you're at it.

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>>3471309

I know hating on people who shop on walmart is a meme and everything but Im curious, where the hell do you shop to get your everyday items?!

No.3471314

>>3471310
grocery store

No.3471465

>>3471309
This is Steam's munchausen syndrome acting up again. He's been doing it for years, making up stories about shit that's never happened to him to get asspats on Lulz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome

>patients also have a history of recurrent hospitalization, travelling, and dramatic, extremely improbable tales of their past experiences

Read it up, and stop replying to him.

(-)

No.3471584

>>3471294

>but to endure people ALL THE TIME is hell. Just walking down the Street, or god forbid a Walmart and actually noticing people is rage inducingly disgusting.

Thin skinned pussy. If you need booze to cope with minimal shit like this, you are very weak (minded). Like, get a fuckin GRIP.

No.3471657

Most people "endure" life because they aren't anti-social mentally disturbed beta fucks like you. Seriously, just go walk in traffic and spare is your self-pitying monsense. It doesn't even have the benefit of originality or amusement.

No.3471660
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I've been sober for over 6 months. The first two weeks suck a lot, and then probably even more the second and third month. After a while you don't really want to drink anymore because you think about all the negative shit it does to you.

AA helped me a lot, but yeah AA is quite uncomfortable because everyone there treats everyone else like a little kid, with the clapping and the 'good job' etc. For the purposes of recovery it's really helpful if you take it somewhat seriously. If your life is completely damaged, and you make an effort to stay sober, the people there can point you in the right direction if you ask.

You're going to have to deal with shit people and shit situations all your life, because life is horrifying initself so going dry from time to time will certainly help you out. The idea is to invest your efforts into avoiding the things you really hate, and deal with the rest as it comes. (Re)learning to live sober is a very difficult thing to do, because drinking will constantly pop into your head, I personally have cravings for shitty light beer and margaritas occassionally. If you can manage to limit your alcohol intake moving forward then that's great but that's always going to be a slippery slope until the next bad thing happens related to alcohol.

Also, you're probably noticing all the bullshit and not the nice things that happen around you. Most people are generally pleasant in contrast to a dying forum like this.

No.3471661
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>>3471294

What you are having is called an existential crisis.
You see, as a child everything is simple and easy to understand then as your brain develops you start to question more and more until you get to the questions that can't be answered. This usually happens around the age of 25 for most people.

It's that point when you face a choice of embracing the fact that your life is meaningless, society is a lie, people are generally just walking buckets of emotional issues, and love isn't the magical wonderful thing you were told but a struggle to find another human being who's shit you can deal with on top of your own and still be happier carrying the shit for each other OR you can drink like a fish, do drugs, base all your relationships on sex, obsess over some fictional character like Jesus/Allah/Harry Potter in order to do ANYTHING to distract yourself from the truths you don't want to face.

This method of distraction only works for so long though because maintaining the lie is hard work and eventually you just get too tired to go on and by that time you have dug yourself into such a deep hole you feel like you can never, ever climb out of it.

The good news is, that's never true. Start doing cardio every morning, get your heart pumping for at least 30 minutes a day for 10 days and you'll see a world of difference. Your brain, like all your organs needs oxygen to work properly. Pump that sucker back up and it will re-balance your bio-chemistry. That is why people who jog are statistically happier. Better brain function.

Also, watch some Rick and Morty. It's good for the soul when you are facing oblivion head-on.

No.3471664

>>3471660
Why can't you just drink here and there? I don't get it. I have a few beers a MONTH with dinner. I rarely drink without dinner, once in a blue moon I'll have a beer changing the oil on the car. But man, I don't get the types that feel the need to down one after the other. Yes of course you are going to fuck shit up if you do it heavily. Why can't you see that going into it?

I have an uncle who is almost 60 and has completely fucked his liver. Night and day, not so much beer but cheap sherry. Everyone told him to quit or cut down, even his father who died of cancer back when my uncle was in his 30s. "It'll get ya." he said to him. He didn't listen, but hey he was still young and had youth on his side. His liver is beyond repair and he is on pill after pill for water issues. He smokes and eats like shit too, but the drinking did the worst damage. What I really don't get? When told by his doctors "If you don't cut this shit out right now you'll be dead soon", he stopped drinking cold turkey. Entirely. After decades of abuse. Why the fuck couldn't he do that even ten years ago? Five? I asked him, did you have any withdraw? Anything? He said no. Great, quit drinking when his belly was already retaining water. Guess he got the fear of death in him, but now all he drinks he sugar filled pop. I fuckin love my uncle and he used to be a talented builder and was great with wood, fantastic, built his own cottage up north. But he just couldn't put the bottle down until it was too late. It fuckin kills me to think where he would be right now if he didn't drink. He'd have his strength, his muscle mass back. He looks like a starving child and lost all that now. If he makes 70 I will be amazed, the last two years have had him close to death's door.

>>3471661

>Your brain, like all your organs needs oxygen to work properly.

Well, that certainly explains 99.3% of your posts on this board. Your brain doesn't get enough oxygen.

>That is why people who jog are statistically happier. Better brain function.

Jogging is a horrible exercise over a certain age (and hey, you should know, 43B), because all it does is wear your joints down faster. Like running up more miles on an already old, beater car. Some of these 50plus folks I see jogging look a step away from a chest clutch. Why can't you just go out for good, long walks? Fuck jogging.

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>>3471661

>existential crisis

I've actually been wrestling with the idea of canceling my internet. I've got a prepaid smart phone that would let me keep up with emails and the news, but other than that I'm starting to realize I'm doing nothing useful with the internet, and without alcohol just sitting around trolling isn't fun at all. That and I'm beginning to suspect that having toxic people on internet forums being my only significant social outlet since I was 12, might have been a little unhealthy.

I'm considering doing it Monday, It'll be my birthday, I'm going out of town to see the eclipse, and it seems like a good a time as any to try to make a start date for a major change.

>>3471664

>Why can't you just drink here and there?

Thats kind of the base definition of an alcoholic. Thats like asking a person with diabetes and being "Why can't you just make insoline here and there?"

No.3471783

>>3471768

>Thats kind of the base definition of an alcoholic.

That is not what I meant you dope. I meant in moderation, vs. all the fuckin time which is the impression I get from you and other alkies.

No.3471786

>>3471783

>I meant in moderation, vs. all the fuckin time

Thats kind of the base definition of an alcoholic.

No.3471787

>>3471786
You're kind of the base definition of a retard.

Forget it, done talking to you, attention grabber. Slowly starting to realize that along with 3B, you need to be ignored.

No.3471818

>>3471787

what insight

where can i follow your blog

No.3471833

>>3471786
We know why you can't now. I think he was asking why you couldn't practice moderation from the start, before you became an alcoholic.

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>>3471768

>I've actually been wrestling with the idea of canceling my internet.

Give the modem to your mother or someone but don't cancel the service right away. If you can't live without it when you turn it back on you'll be under a 1 year or more contract again. Being practical, you can detox for a month and when your bill comes due next time then make a more rational choice before you go cold turkey then end up being a contract slave. As long as the modem isn't in your house, it's the same effect.

No.3471839

>>3471833
I don't think I ever could. I didn't drink until I was 21. I've always been an introvert, and one day I got dragged to a party/gathering thing, someone made me a fruity mixed drink since I hated the taste and feel of liquor and beer, and suddenly BAM I was a social machine, and got my first consensual blowjob within the hour, and woke up the next morning with a blackout.

I'm pretty sure right after discovering that, I was pretty much out of control, its like there is a gear missing in my head that alcohol barely catches teeth for, and all the other gears in my head want that thing rolling, but don't understand that it will never work properly. I'm pretty sure I drink in a desperate attempt to get where everyone else is, normally. My thoughts sober are usually varied between "not thinking about it" "hate" "HATE" and " HATE " when I drink its the same way, but every time there is this tiny gap that I can never really lock in on thats ok with everything, laughs, and thinks I'm a pretty ok guy.

No.3471841

>>3471837
My Mother hates me and always has, along with most of my family. I'm pretty sure I used to mention that regularly.

I called my ISP and they're doing a "seasonal pause" on my service starting monday, for 2 months.

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>>3471836

>I'm pretty sure I drink in a desperate attempt to get where everyone else is, normally.

You are making the mistake of believing the hype. EVERYONE is broken. Just all the time. All adults are a walking meat sack full of angry chimps throwing shit.

Part of living in society is pretending you aren't on the brink of madness but most people are, all the time. What you are without alcohol in you -is- normal.

The drink just helps secure the mask that everyone else wears to. Life sucks, you are going to die, there is no afterlife, there is no point, we are all just muddling through the best we can. The only thing we can ever do worth while in life is help make life more tolerable for each other.

Life is suffering interrupted occasionally with a moment of beauty or joy. Even for the most well adjusted people. Why do you think Religion is such a huge thing?

You should really read Fallout Equestria Project Horizons.
You have a LOT in common with Blackjack the main character.

Most of it is on audio book https://youtu.be/UjGUsM32nLs?list=PLBX-BvTh7SMCoxEAnWnpMcd5r44Ldl7Xg

The text version is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D6PJA5lrE0OzzS-ZC2kbf-4piyyuUdF-zniVqUs79uM/edit

No.3471851

>>3471839

>hate

Hate for what? Everything?

No.3471857

>>3471847
You sound like an aging emo kid. Take your Pretty Hate Machine CD and beat it.

No.3471865
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>>3471847

Wow dude, your life sounds pretty miserable if this is how you see things. I sort of feel bad for you, but I won't point fingers. Good luck in the future.

If you're looking for misery, it's easy to find it. Perception is everything- when you choose to see a world full of heartache, don't be surprised when it comes knocking.

I don't know what you mean by well adjusted, but I can tell you that I fucking love my life despite some shit here and there. I'm not blessed with an easy go at things, but I still value the beauty around me each day and the fun time I share with friends. It's obvious that we all die, but I don't see any sense in fixating on what is inevitable.

TL;DR You can choose to listen to anons online or yourself- it doesn't matter what you end up picking. At the end of the day, your life is yours and your experiences are unique to yourself. Only you can judge how things turn out.

No.3471869

>>3471851
I have no idea. Its just people, and to put it in a quote "My hate has become so intense its become generalized." I see all these people that I look at as human garbage. Stoners in their late 30's who have never had an above minimum wage job, but have somehow managed to get married multiple times. Deformed blobs who have mountains of kids. Idiot slobs who were born into the right situation to be successful. Professional panhandlers on the roadside circuit making more daily than anyone stupid enough to give to them, just to bring it out to their 2017 suv parked out of sight.

Sadly, I can press my clothes, stand straight, speak properly, be polite, build and drive nice cars, read all the books, be good at every job ... and deep down I know that as much as I hate them all, they're better than me. I've failed at base every aspect of being a human being.

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>>3471847
>>3471869
Holy crap Steam does sound like Blackjack

No.3471879

>>3471869
You sound very judgemental. Is that quote from American Psycho?

No.3471880

>>3471294

Have you tried not drinking? Not just for a week or a month, but seriously nothing at all for a long period of time?

For a while I was deep into alcohol. A night with friends wasn't complete without draining a bottle of whatever vodka I could find. Overtime, I started drinking less and less because it just made me feel awful. It eventually got to the point where it physically hurt to take a shot. I had to cut it out completely, and I felt like I lost something. I had trouble connecting with others when I couldn't do so while boozed up. Imagine my surprise when I eventually realized and felt that I never needed to drink in the first place to feel okay with the world around me. I'm going through the same thing with weed right now, and I'm kicking myself for not trying to cut it out sooner.

Not looking down on you or pretending I'm superior or anything- just seriously consider it. Drugs are sneaky that way, and even when you think you're on top you never really can anticipate just how much they affect your mood.

Kinda reads like an AA thing, but from one anon to another...IDK just consider it.

No.3471886

>>3471880
You were probably where I am. I took some blood work and im not dying or anywhere that can't be reversed... but it does hurt to drink, and i do get pains in my side when i wear a seatbelt. Swelling and all that.

I'd rather not end up replacing alcohol with some less legal substance though. Not looking down on you either, I just have really bad luck with that sort of thing.

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>>3471869

>I know that as much as I hate them all, they're better than me.

Your mistake is thinking they are better than you. They are just as fucked up as you are in one way or another.

I'm telling you, you are falling for the lies, the masks that people wear. You need to get a circle of friends so you can see just how fucked up everyone is.
Most people these days are so afraid of failure that they just don't try at all. The other half have failed so much that they are numb to it and give no fucks.
The system is rigged against you. If you are not born successful you will never be successful. It is literally, not your faults that are keeping you down.

It's not just you, it's everyone on both sides of the political spectrum feeling it.
It's all civilized nations, all across the globe, Greece, Spain, Japan, China, Mexico, it's everywhere.
People are so depressed that they are having less sex, getting in fewer relationships and having fewer children.

The money, the wealth, the prosperity is all going to the top. It's a 1% club and you're not in it. That's why civil war is inevitable in the U.S.
Right now you are picturing a civil war and part of you is like "Yeah, I can get behind that." because humans, by our nature, seek justice. We expect the people in power to take care of those with less power. Our leaders, our wealthy, our powerful have failed at this very basic social contract and the 99% are readying to kill the 1% in a bloodbath to make things just again.

That is why you are angry, that is why everyone is angry, because there is no justice in the world.
Yet.

No.3471891

>>3471875

Blackjack's life is a microcosm of Steams journey. Her story starts off with a disproving mother in a life she hates where things are unjust and the pressure just keeps building and building until finally her life snaps and she is forced to run from her home to save herself and save her family. Once she has the option to leave she gets the fuck out of there carrying with her her baggage and the sins of her past.

I've always felt Blackjack's is a more violent, over-dramatic, Steam.

No.3471892

ITT: Losers (and attn whores) of the highest order.

No.3471895

>>3471888

Us vs. Them. Haves vs. Have Nots. Black vs. White.
...Really dude? Develop your perspectiv-

AH SHIT I TOOK THE BAIT. Damn it!

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Steam is an interesting creature. I like watching him.

>>3471294
Why don't you just pick a side already, Steam? I have watched you at times observe the futile nature of this game. I have watched you at times hold whatever status you have over others. So you work, you do... things, you 'function' right?

But why function at all, if its all so hard as you say? What is it you are trying to perpetuate? What do you think you'll get? What are you working for?

>The only thing we can ever do worth while in life is help make life more tolerable for each other.

I don't get it. You value these people, these others? You fight for them in an unwinnable game? I just don't get it.

The status of caring about this material world existence. Why do people do it? I do not understand. Ultimately I do not understand anything, and that is the only statement I will ask others to believe when I say it. I make other statements, probably even in the following text, but I know they are only to myself.

Ever since I was very little, maybe about 5 or 6, I would sit and think very hard about what was outside the universe. I had the understanding that planets and things existed in space and that "space" was a thing, a thing that ended. Not yet quite taught about the fabric of spacetime, but enough to get that the emptiness between celestial objects we perceive had an origin and an end. Whats was outside of that end then? And when that ends, and after that? I had an innate intuition that to see the universe as if it was a planet somewhere in the universe, therefor a universe somewhere in the ____, wasn't quite right.

I tried to conceptualize the entirety of the "somewhere out there". All of it at once. Sitting alone in the yard at night I set my tiny mind to see Infinity complete and resolute at once in an perfect instant. A fools errand ran by one who had not yet been taught that it was impossible, that had not been taught of the concept of infinity, mathematical or otherwise. A mind that actually had not been taught many things that now seem to be the only subjects discussed; like that anyone had even ever thought of such a concept of religion or creation, or race and of that anyone had ever cared to see another as less than human.

I had uncomfortable feeling. As if it was impossible to actually answer "where" we are. That there would always be another layer of something you didn't know. That it was impossible to know oneself.

An uneasy sense of things, that I took forward, into a life that went from ideal to tragic. But what happened to me isn't actually important. People would abandon me and things would be broken but every time it really didn't seem to truly matter to me. Not that I didn't feel it. I was as sad or angry as any other child, probably more. But I always had this sense that the consequences were outside of me, that the act of putting a lot of effort seek things outside of myself and the path in front of me wasn't quite worth it.

I was never interested in significant others, all throughout school up to now (with one recent, experimental exception). I made friends, but it was more that they were just sort of there, in the way. And people would ask you what to you want to be and I could only say "I don't know... I don't know if I care to know either." Just sort of stumbling around with eyes glazed over. It didn't matter. Anything but the path of least resistance just wasn't worth it.

...It's not worth it. Now I see none of it is.

I don't hate my life. I don't hate anything. I don't think my life is hard, it's easy. Now, it could be hard, I am lucky to not actually have responsibilities, but it doesn't worry me. Since I was I teen I understood that the harshness of a bad situation like homelessness would make the price for exit very cheap. Suicide was my contingency and nothing could take that away from me.

And... I didn't hate people. In high school I thought I did, but that was self lie to hide from the pain. I loved people. Everyone is beautiful and everyone deserves the world and more. Every. Single. One. But everyone is sick and everyone is suffering. Parasitic ouroboros of pain and hatred cyclically ensuring its own inability to ever escape. No system, no money, and no power to fix it. A broken world. An impossible dream.

Today we laugh at things such as those who complain of being offended by things, but in an Utilitarian sense how can you quantity that negative emotion? Murder one man or insult an arbitrarily high number of others. No knowable absolute to tell us which is worse, it all is lost in the utter solipsistic disconnect that is we cannot know ourselves much less others. To actually know anything without Relativism is to know the absolute state of the entirety of the infinite context in which it exists.

All sense of morality is lost. Lost in the... oh god I am alone. Alone. Ever since I was little I have known it is impossible to not be alone. Getting a relationship didn't fix it and I even in my one attempt somehow manged to find a person who perfectly understood me. They actually did. I still do not understand how or why I manged that on but one attempt.

None of you even really exist do you? I don't either. I could die in the next 2 seconds and in the only thing I can actually experience, my own Relativism, will be gone and unable to see that I had died or ever lived. That anything ever had.

The concept of a highest Universal Principle, an ineffable unknowable unchanging infinite Ultimate Reality to me is indistinguishable from Existential Nonexistence. And that makes a bit too much sense. All things originate from Infinite nothingness, and as so many religions depict people scrambling to meet their god, the only goal is to return to Infinite nothingness.

And yet still, I'm right here. I'M RIGHT HERE. It's just so easy to be right here and I just fucking don't understand any of it. A bottle worth of oxycodone or writing pi out to the nth digit on the shower wall in blood be damned. I'm right here.

No.3471947
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>Anything but the path of least resistance just wasn't worth it.

And that is why you fail. Struggle is what makes us better people. If you take the path of least resistance then you miss the opertunity to make yourself stronger. It is through pain that we grow stronger. It is through fear of failure that we we are defeated.

Life seems overwhelming when you are weak, soft from always doing the easy thing. Comfort is the enemy. Pain defines us. Life is a crucible you forge yourself in. These are cliche ideas because they are universal in all cultures. Time and time again all peoples come to these conclusions.

No.3471950

>>3471947
On the contrary. The soft is wielding the power of the universe around him to do all the work, and that is much much stronger than someone trying to force their way through pain and toil to get anything done. It's stupid to swim against the river - eventually you tire and lose any ground you gained.

That is wu-wei
https://www.thoughtco.com/wu-wei-the-action-of-non-action-3183209

Just going along, you become strong automatically without trying. The more you try, the weaker you become. The trick is that people who don't understand wu-wei try to do nothing, which is still action but in the opposite way. When you understand it correctly, climbing a mountain, the mountain lifts you. When fighting an enemy, their sword will turn on themselves.

No.3471951

>>3471947

>Time and time again all peoples come to these conclusions.

Patently wrong.

No.3471954
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>>3471925

Hey, you see oblivion as the only possible outcome of your life so that makes it pointless. You think it won't matter. You think that there is no God, no real cosmic scale, no afterlife and if you were only looking at the natural world, you would be correct.

The first step to freedom is accepting that one day you will stop. Death is like life before you were born. Nothing. Non-existence.

Once you really understand that, there is nothing to fear. There is only opertunity, every living moment to do something fun before you die.

That being said, there is a possible up-side to death. In almost every culture there is a concept of heaven or an afterlife. This could be rationalization or it could be real. Not naturally of course, science shows no evidence of a naturally evolving afterlife.

That being said, there may still be one. Because science!! Check out this video and tell me it doesn't give you a happy thought.

https://youtu.be/eeqT3_XxZTI

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>>3471950

>On the contrary. The soft is wielding the power of the universe around him to do all the work...

Mystical mumbo-jumbo that doesn't actually do anything but sell books to losers like you. You might as well be talking about "Letting the Holy Spirit guide you." or listening to the "Voices of Angels"

Real shit, is real. The mountain doesn't lift you up, it's just a rock. Stop acting like this imaginary shit is real.

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>>3471947
Fail at what? Who set the goal at which to fail and when did I sign up to participate? Is this your first time dealing with one who does not subscribe to the notion of penultimately better or worse action when dealing with finite quantities, or do you try it anyway?

But I have watched you for years and I have seen with you it probably doesn't matter either way.

>>3471954

Other than redundantly trying to convince someone of something they already think, there is an interesting thought there.

Many instances before in my time there has been the thought or discussion of potentially freeing even one mind from its mortal cage. Whats interesting it that to most it seems like desirable action. You take a mortal mind and make it in some way, self observably infinite. Or at least, approaches towards infinity. Self observable is important because if not, then it is just a finite mind repeating itself. The repetition can only be observed by outsiders. If experience is a permutation of qualia then an infinite mind that can self observe its infinite nature will experience all things.

I do not want to experience all things. The horror is not death, but instead that one will actually somehow not die.

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>>3471965
It's not mystical. It's just the truth. The truth is that you ain't got shit for power.

Everything happens regardless of your personal efforts, and your ego, the voice in your head who says "I am strong! I make things happen" is actually just like a leaf floating in the wind. Everything "you" do is determined by other conditions and circumstances. You aren't even you - not that thing you believe is in control - that's just an illusion that you're somehow an individual free agent in a world dictated by deterministic physics, where everything connects to everything through necessary cause and effect - yet your ego thinks you're like Neo in The Matrix able to bend spoons and dodge bullets if you just try really really hard.

It's a complete fabrication. Believing yourself powerful because you're able to work so hard, physically and mentally, that it hurts; to punish yourself and then congratulate yourself on how much you can tolerate, to believe that you need to keep doing this to "get ahead", may be a fun game if you're a masochist but it doesn't actually do you shit. You're simply suffering because you want to play martyr of the whole universe.

No.3471998

See, this is why the mountain lifts you.

If you understand the nature of reality correctly. No matter how hard you try, you cannot climb a mountain - the mountain must lift you. If you claim that you got to the top solely by your own effort, you would be insane - like a person who claims to lift themselves by pulling their own hair.

No.3471999

>>3471977

>Whats interesting it that to most it seems like desirable action.

An afterlife seems appealing to most, because people suffer all their lives and justify that suffering by reasoning that afterwards there must be something nice waiting.

>If experience is a permutation of qualia

Qualia don't exist. They are by definition impossible, since qualia cannot be communicated or observed in other people, so their existence cannot make any difference to reality and therefore aren't real: whether they are or not doesn't change the situation in any ways, so the word "qualia" must refer to absolutely nothing.

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>>3471977

>But I have watched you for years...

People who watch are cowards. Winners play. Players win. Maybe not always, but enough, and when we do, we are happy. If you only watch, you will never, ever be happy. Also you'll never get laid and you seriously sound like a perma-virgin.

No.3472006
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>>3471997

>Everything "you" do is determined by other conditions and circumstances.

So your argument is that if you just go with the flow of the universe the universe will stop dictating your actions? Do you even read the words you type?

It's bullshit just like every other religion that tells you to be selfless. It's a system of control to keep the population passive and obedient to the people who are smart enough to follow it. You're just as much as sucker as a Baptist or a Muslim. I decide what I do.

When I saw what Bernie Sanders was doing I decided to change my local government and make life better for people, to help liberals win nationally too. I changed my job, moved to a new district and started doing activism full time.

When was the last time the sorry sack of shit you call life helped give a home to a family who's house burned down? I did that last week. I even found a furniture store willing to donate a living room suite and beds.

If you just let life roll you over like a bitch you accomplish nothing. You are just a useful fool to people in power. Weak. Pathetic. Broken. A perfect sheep to feed the beast.

Winners rule the world not spectators.

No.3472010

>>3472006
I've never donated anything to a family with a burnt down house, but back in the air force, me and 12ish other airmen and sergeants helped clear out the wreckage and salvage stuff after a family's house burnt down. That and we had this enormous forrest fire that going across Idaho back in 2013, and me and my DnD group at the time put together some money and made a few hundred sandwich, gatorade and snacks bags that we dropped off for the fire fighters where we could. I actually used to organize and volunteer at a lot of events before I just dropped it all after realizing I was painting a target on myself and accidentally stepping on feet.

No.3472012

>>3472006

>So your argument is that if you just go with the flow of the universe the universe will stop dictating your actions? Do you even read the words you type?

Do you?

First consider, who are you really? Are you the little voice in your head that says "I'm doing this, I'm doing that" as if you really had the power to?

Alright, let's start from an easier example. Suppose we're sitting at a table, there's a candle and a book of matches. I say "light the candle" and you take the book of matches, strike one and light the wick. Who lit the candle? Who really put fire to it?

No.3472013

>>3472006

>It's bullshit just like every other religion that tells you to be selfless. It's a system of control to keep the population passive and obedient

It is not a religion, and if you think it's about controlling others, you're fighting your own imagination.

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you need opioids

No.3472021
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>>3472012

>First consider, who are you really? Are you the little voice in your head that says "I'm doing this, I'm doing that" as if you really had the power to?

HAHAHAHA! That's where you are so flawed in your logic. I'm not just a voice in my head, I'm a fucking force of nature. What I set out to do, gets done. I lead, people follow.

Like it or not, I raised the consciousness of people here. Before me half of you didn't even know jack shit about politics. Now you are engaged, you are fighting for what you believe in. I don't necessarily agree with you on a lot of things but that engagement is the life blood of democracy so I will fight for your right to say it.

>If I tell you to light a candle and you light it, who lit the candle?

I would tell you to light your own god, damn candle you lazy piece of shit. Anyone who sits around thinking about questions like this all the time instead of engaging in life is a GIANT FUCKING COWARD who is making excuses not to try.

There is no purpose so why even try?! Woe is meeee! The universe is so cold!! Well, guess what shit-for-brains, just because you realize the world isn't fair doesn't mean you get to be a dick. Philosophers like you who do nothing but sit around and moan about life are selfish, fearful, cunts dragging down the rest of society with your bullshit.

Even Steam goes out and meets life head on and he feels better when he does. You are failing harder at life than Steam! You are failing harder at life than Cobalt_Blaze who at least has the courage to go out and suck dicks behind McDonalds for money so he can do something with his life he enjoys.

Paint it with all the "Eastern Wisdom" you want, but in the end, you're a quivering pussy to afraid to play the full contact sport we call life.

No.3472023

>>3472006

>>>When I saw what Bernie Sanders was doing I decided to change my local government and make life better for people, to help liberals win nationally too. I changed my job, moved to a new district and started doing activism full time.

Well, that worked out great, didn't it.

XD

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>>3472021
Cobalt is a hard junkie who sucks dicks behind mcdonalds, and Steam is a brain dead alcoholic who can barely write a coherent sentence. Fuck off 3B

No.3472038

Aufism thread
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No.3472039
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>>3472025
I could likely run lapse around you.

No.3472040

>>3472039

Laps. Its Laps, you Moron.

No.3472043

>>3472040
I can't know the spelling of every english word

No.3472048
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>>3472006

>to help liberals win nationally too

Well, you failed at that spectacularly!

No.3472054

>>3472048

>>Help liberals win...
>Well you failed at that...

I said liberals, not corporate whores. They forced a corporate whore into the race with Trump so the liberals didn't vote for her.

Also, God damn, I didn't know how bad a racist Trump is. He really is stupid-Hitler! Hahahaha!

https://youtu.be/XwEzOaivNQ4

No.3472055
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>>3472040

No, he was right. He did out lapse you. He lapsed so hard. I love you Steam! You are #1 at being third place.

No.3472062
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>>3472025

No one is always a winner but at least they are trying. At least they are out there putting in the effort. More than I can say for some pansy who sits around contemplating the "meaning of it all" all day and acts like that is an accomplishment.

For all his faults, at least Steam isn't a fucking coward. He's out there trying to make it work in a society rigged against him. That's more than a philosopher ever does.

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>>3472054
Wait, so your goal was helping liberals win nationally and a liberal doesn't win, but you didn't fail to help a liberal win nationally, even though a liberal didn't win nationally. No, the simple answer is failed to get your candidate past the first round. It wasn't even close like it was in 2008 and that's probably because of people like you trying to spam him harder than you did your pony shit.

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>>3472071

>Liberals didn't win.

The DNC cheated for Hillary. They ran closed primaries where only people who have establishment ties can vote, they ran the southern states first so that the most conservative candidate would start with a lead, they held the minimum number of debates, they literally handed Hillary debate questions so she would know what to answer before the debates started, the blocked millions of voters in California, hundreds of thousands in New York.

They were caught busing people in from other states to vote for Hillary in states where Bernie won anyway, they changed the rules so that independent votes weren't counted because independents were more likely to vote Sanders, they even kicked huge swaths of people off the voter rolls in the place where Sanders lives in New York.

The DNC realized the race was going to be tight so they revoked a rule made under Obama about fun raising that let them launder money through the state level DNC and then give it to Hillary's "Victory Fund." which made it possible for one donor to give her a quarter million dollars each instead of the legal limit and the DNC paid off the Super-delegates to put their 15% of the total votes in Clinton's pockets from the beginning.

She started off with a 60 point lead, every advantage in the world, 15% of the total votes in her pocket before the voting even started and still BARELY defeated Sanders in a rigged race. Then half the party left. Literally. The DNC had to pay people to be seat fillers and cheer for her at the DNC convention in Philadelphia because over half the delegates got up and walked out in protest to her "winning" when everyone knew it was rigged.

No one on our side was surprised when she lost to Trump.

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>>3472079

What people like you refuse to accept is that the "Liberals" in America are the conservatives in other western nations. American politics is so extremely right wing it's a laughing stock. It was even before Trump. The will of the people hasn't decided policy in decades. The 1% always gets their way because Reagan started legalized bribery, then the Clintons and the Bushes helped make it normal.

That is why armed revolution is very, very likely in America. We don't live in a democracy at all. It's an oligarchy. What happens in 2018 and 2020 will decide if America goes to war with itself again because if the establishment cheats to hold on to power again, people will start voting with bullets.

No.3472087

Hello 3B, you lying sack of shit.
The truth is that even in 'Liberal' Europe they consider American Liberals extreme deranged freaks.

No.3472090
>shitty steam attention whore thread devolves into an even worse, shittier 3b /pol/ thread.

Gas everyone here.

No.3472114

>>3472090

I just - and move on. 3B thrives off attention and reaction (like any circa 2005-2015 troll). Deny him those, and he's left screaming alone online like he is in real life.

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>>3472079

>They ran closed primaries

We run open and closed primaries which Clinton won and then we have the undemocratic caucuses that Bernie won. Funny how you don't complain about those...

>they ran the southern states first so that the most conservative candidate would start with a lead

Since when are Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada considered Southern? And in the beginning, Bernie was in the lead which didn't help him at all so what's your point?

>they held the minimum number of debates

They're allowed to do that, they're not obligated to give you the number of debates you demand.

>they changed the rules so that independent votes weren't counted

They don't count unless it's an open primary and that's up to the state whether they want to use a caucus, open primary or closed primary. It wouldn't have mattered anyway because Hillary won the majority of primaries whether open or closed.

>She started off with a 60 point lead

And she pretty much maintained that. Bernie was able to consolidate the Democrats who were never going to support Hillary in the primaries either way, then he hit a wall and failed to attract us Hillary voters to switch sides to his. Pic related.

>blocked millions of voters in California, hundreds of thousands in New York

How is it our fault that bernouts are too retarded to properly fill out a voter registration form and don't know the difference between being Independent and a member of the Independent Party in California. Maybe don't rely on such useless morons next time around?

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>>3472080

>What people like you refuse to accept is that the "Liberals" in America are the conservatives in other western nations.

I don't give a fuck what other nations do or think, America is the foremost superpower while the rest of Europe can only fantasize about their once great empires as they're now overrun with Muslim hordes. What people like you refuse to accept is that "Liberal" in America are a small minority, smaller than conservatives and moderates/centrists.

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>>3472079
>>3472080

At the end of the day, you're just whining impotently because you failed to accomplish what me and my friends did back in 2008: support a relatively unknown, upstart Senator to defeat Hillary Clinton in the primaries. You failed to repeat our success because you're a potato-faced 'tard who consistently fails at life.

I'll let Samantha Bee explain it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGlaUo4JEE&feature=youtu.be&t=6m40s

No.3472246

>>3472115
I think you missed the part where DNC actively suppressed Bernie voters and limited Bernie coverage (including local TV)

No.3472294
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>>3472115

You have an interesting view of reality, not at all grounded in facts or truth, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

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>>3472116

> What people like you refuse to accept is that "Liberal" in America are a small minority, smaller than conservatives and moderates/centrists.

People who identify as liberal are fewer but if you look at the actual policies the majority of Americans are liberal. Poll after poll has shown the nation is liberal the only thing that people don't like about liberals is being called one because of the vitriol vomited up by people like you so they call themselves a centrist but that's just a label. Where it counts, overwhelmingly, they are with us.

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>>3472300
And if you wish really, really hard and click your heels together 3 times while whistling "If I Only Had a Brain", it will come true!

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>>3472313

Deny it all you want, but you live in our world now.

No.3472324

It's you who are denying the facts, no one wants to live in your dying world.

No.3472325

This 3D guy is like "Baghdad Bob", who kept announcing on air in Iraq that they had the Americans on the run when in fact they had his entire city surrounded and under their control..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

He's good for Laffs tho, I guess.

No.3472326

Oh, then there's this to expose your lies.
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-millennials-politics-conservative-20160907-snap-story.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric-metaxas/next-generation-americans-gen-z-may-be-most-conservative-wwii

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440050/conservative-millennials-growing-trend

So, um, bye-bye.
Try again next century I guess??

No.3472344

>>3472319

Millennials elected Trump.

What more proof do you need that Millennials are literally walking spores of cancer?

No.3472345

How did this thread get derailed into a pol thread? You guys will argue with 3b over anything, smh.

No.3472347

3B always slams Christians over all the violence and wrath of God in the Old Testament, which shows his ignorance.
The OT is not Christianity. Christianity started with Christ and his disciples.
Yet this one simple truth eludes 3B and his ilk.

No.3472355

>>3472347

>3B always slams Christians over all the violence and wrath of God in the Old Testament

Where? Can you point to where he talked about that? I don't see it.

No.3472368

I'm glad this place never changes

No.3472371

>>3472344
Millenials voted for Trump expecting something that he was never going to be.
They expected someone who could get away from Hillary bullshit regarding billonaires and Banks.
Or your Average racist christian fundie in the republican party.

He's so far worse than both.

including giving precious gems like:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319807-miami-marlins-owner-being-considered-for-ambassador-to-france

No.3472373

>>3472345
People will respond to Aufy's sockpuppet accounts instead of ignoring him.

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>>3472294
>>3472300

>People who identify as liberal are fewer but if you look at the actual policies the majority of Americans are liberal

That's only true if you ask them without discussing the full details including tax increases and expansion of the government bureaucracy. Then they are solidly conservative, moderate or neoliberal. It's why I'd personally rather have Donald Trump over Bernie Sanders.

No.3472392

>>3472377

>Who would pick the guy who takes money from your pay check...

The people who want to go to the doctor when ever they want, don't want to have to save money for decades to pay for their kids to go to college or worry about not being able to afford their medication when they grow old?

Bernie's plan would cost you slightly more money but you would get stuff for it which would save you you a lot more money in the long run. I know, thinking beyond the three inches of your penis is difficult for you but some of us like to use our brains for more than moving our penis around until we find the next dog to stick our dick in.

No.3472399
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>>3472392

>The people who want to go to the doctor when ever they want, etc.

Problem with that is that those are in the minority when the discussion is expanded to include all the costs and additional bureaucratic overreach. The minute taxes get involved, the people turn against you.

>Bernie's plan would cost you slightly more money but you would get stuff for it which would save you you a lot more money in the long run.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Unlike you, I'm a skeptic and you have no proof except the word of your messiah.
Right now I just have to take it on faith that I'll see all of these savings in the future and that's not happening.

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>>3472326

That LA times story sites drug use studies to determine what political bent people are. They assume anyone who isn't smoking weed is a conservative. It's a bullshit conclusion.

http://www.cnsnews.com is a right wing tabloid who's slogan is literally, "The Right News at the Right Time." running stories like "I Feel Uncomfortable Condemning the Klan Types Because They Are the Forgotten Americans." Not exactly an unbiased source for how many people are leaning conservative.

Your nationalist view article sites research done at "Young America’s Foundation events, at Federalist Society speeches, and at schools such as Colorado Christian University." so of course you are going to find more conservative millennials at conservative events at Christian schools. That's like looking at a fish bowl and saying, "The majority of the fish in the ocean must be gold-fish."

All in all, your research is shotty, your conclusion is clearly wrong and even disputed in the very articles you site.

>"And it turns out that the stereotypes have a strong basis in real data. Millennials are less religious than previous generations. Perhaps not coincidentally, they show a marked decrease in objective measures such as civic engagement that demonstrate “concern for others” and a marked increase in “self-esteem, assertiveness, self-importance, narcissism, and high expectations.”
>For the last 15 years of my career, I’ve been blessed to travel the length and breadth of the country speaking to college students and law students at virtually every class and category of higher education institution, from community colleges to large state schools to the most “elite” Ivies. And I’ve seen the stereotype manifested in the flesh, even by Christian and conservative students.
>In one memorable incident a few years ago, I caused a spasm of outrage to sweep a conservative Christian audience when I said they should stop complaining about the brutal hours that dominate early-career life at a law firm, and instead use that time as an opportunity to learn. How dare I upset the work-life balance! There was a palpable sense that even the youngest and most inexperienced attorneys were entitled to experience work on their own terms and no one else’s."

TLDR: "Conservative Millennials" only exist in pocket cultures where they are brain washed into believing bullshit religious and social indoctrination. The same kind of indoctrination that is easily tossed aside once they are exposed to the real world.

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>>3472399

>Problem with that is that those are in the minority when the discussion is expanded to include all the costs and additional bureaucratic overreach.
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Medicare has 2% overhead, and negotiates prices for drugs/services because it's got a huge market share. Sorry to break this too you, but we already have socialized medicine and it already works way, way, better than private insurance does. It's one of the the most beloved programs of all time in the U.S. because it just works well.

In order to accomplish Bernie Sander's plan all we need to do is let people sign up for medicare. the infrastructure, the networking, the payment systems are already there. It's just like regular insurance except that it has a 2% overhead instead of a 30% to 40% overhead on overy transaction because Medicare doesn't have CEOs that get huge bonuses or investors to give our dividend to.

We have a system that works right now. You just refuse to accept that it works because the idea something good can come from government is against your capitalism religion.

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>>3472377
Because US spent 0.4 Trillion on shitty F35 jets.
Cut that, and other "but think of the jobs" useless programs, and you would not be 0.6 trillion short on paying the bills to the indebted right now.


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